Jimmy Bartel Vs Sam Mitchell

[wce4premiership]

Bartel, threads like this are crap when a supporter of a said player creates it, i think it looks like you just want your little confirmation.

 

[burto]

Hodge doesn't need to work on his hardness at the ball, and he also has better disposal than Hayes which makes you just seem like another bitter cat flog. Maybe Hodge can learn some hardness off Kelly FFS.

Hayes doesn't need brilliant disposal as that is not a huge part of his game. Similar to Mitchell, his job is to get the ball and feed it out to the better disposers.

Hodge's inside game is not as good as either Hayes or Mitchell and his disposal not potent enough to be effective as an outside player either. He is more a good at all trades, brilliant at none type. Good mark, reasonable kick, good leader but lacking the aerobic capacity to really influence games frequently as the top tier players do.

 

[Rioli magic]

Hayes doesn't need brilliant disposal as that is not a huge part of his game. Similar to Mitchell, his job is to get the ball and feed it out to the better disposers.

Hodge's inside game is not as good as either Hayes or Mitchell and his disposal not potent enough to be effective as an outside player either. He is more a good at all trades, brilliant at none type. Good mark, reasonable kick, good leader but lacking the aerobic capacity to really influence games frequently as the top tier players do.

What are you talking about? So Hodge isn't in the top 3-4 clearance players in the league, so forget it, and apparently he has an average left foot on him? You're are just talking shit, and inadvertently highlighting what is so good about Hodge.

 

[power09]

hey hey i rate kelly dont get me wrong hard working, tough good players like that is wat made geelong so strong for ages, amazing depth and midfield options, but burgoyne is a much better player,

didnt the commentated wank off when reloli did that side step the other day, boy they r gonna cream if burgoyne can get fit again

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I was indeed referring to Kelly. Hard, disciplined and reliable be it mid, forward or back. Would be an A grade player if his disposal was more consistent.

On your point - Hayes is a gun, however Hodge certainly has weaknesses in his game that need to be worked on (namely disposal and hardness at the ball, not the man, and consistency).

LOL. You're obviously an astute follower of the game. Hodge has magnificent disposal, and his hardness at the ball is second to NONE. Those 2 facets of his game have never, ever been questioned.

Can only presume this is some lame troll.

 

[Claude Balls]

Burgoyne WAS a better player than Kelly, but it remains to be seen whether he's still that player.

 

[burto]

LOL. You're obviously an astute follower of the game. Hodge has magnificent disposal, and his hardness at the ball is second to NONE. Those 2 facets of his game have never, ever been questioned.

Can only presume this is some lame troll.

Not a troll at all. He just isn't that good. The media and Hawk fans claim he has magnificent disposal, but I have watched him closely the past 12 months and the amount of clangers he does is alarming. Not only that but he is too inconsistent to justify his pick. I raised this with one of my best mates, a Hawk fan, and he said "yeah Hodge does nothing but we still love him anyway."

 

[hawks_time]

I raised this with one of my best mates, a Hawk fan, and he said "yeah Hodge does nothing but we still love him anyway."

Oh well, then it's official isn't it?
That's the equivalent of saying "Nah it's cool, some of my best friends are black/jews"

 

[Rioli magic]

Not a troll at all. He just isn't that good. The media and Hawk fans claim he has magnificent disposal, but I have watched him closely the past 12 months and the amount of clangers he does is alarming. Not only that but he is too inconsistent to justify his pick. I raised this with one of my best mates, a Hawk fan, and he said "yeah Hodge does nothing but we still love him anyway."

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Not a troll at all. He just isn't that good. The media and Hawk fans claim he has magnificent disposal, but I have watched him closely the past 12 months and the amount of clangers he does is alarming. Not only that but he is too inconsistent to justify his pick. I raised this with one of my best mates, a Hawk fan, and he said "yeah Hodge does nothing but we still love him anyway."

Your "best" mate sounds like as big a felcher as you.

I'm sure noone else cares, but thanks for the insight into what two downy's talk about when in a room together.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Classic post that one.

 

[burto]

Your "best" mate sounds like as big a felcher as you.

I'm sure noone else cares, but thanks for the insight into what two downy's talk about when in a room together.

Meh. That's what he said and I entirely agree with him.

I take it from calling me a downy and failing to address the issue that you also agree. Which is justified. I believe you as Hawthorn fans have a right to be dissapointed with his development.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I'm pretty surprised at the amount of respect for Mitchell - I thought only Hawk fans really noticed. He is a briliant little nugget that takes a lot of punishment without pleading to umpires etc. Never seen a player as quick with his hands or as consistently good at clearances. He flicks between left and right hand/foot which often throws his tackler off balance. Is prone to the odd clanger.

Played an amazing leadership role in 2009 under some serious duress. People close to the club will tell you he should have missed quite a few games but played on and threw himself into roles as he was needed: up forward, down back etc. Not always with huge impact though.

Jimmy Bartell - how this guy goes under the collective radar I'll never know! Amazingly strong and super effective player. Influences every contest he goes near and as has been said plays a variety of roles where he can really influence the whole game.

Mitchell is a specialist, Jimmy is an all round performer. As much as it pains me to go against a hawthorn gun - I'd say Jimmy for this one!

 

[Jonny27]

A bit old dont you think?

More recently...

http://www.mcc.org.au/Events at the MCG/~/media/Images/MCG/Football/Joel Corey_Cats_med.ashx

 

[Rioli magic]

A bit old dont you think?

More recently...

Yeah, but the difference is you didn't beat Hawthorn there, and as a result im not bitter about it and can acknowledge that Corey is a fantastic footballer.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Meh. That's what he said and I entirely agree with him.

I take it from calling me a downy and failing to address the issue that you also agree. Which is justified. I believe you as Hawthorn fans have a right to be dissapointed with his development.

Sorry, but so far you've offered up "Hodge does nothing...", that he has ordinary disposal, and that his hardness at the ball is in question- that doesn't warrant any serious response.

And I don't believe that anyone NOT suffering with a severe mental deficit would genuinely hold those views.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Sammy is ahead but Bartel is a star.

First time I ever thought he was worthy of winning that brownlow was on Monday.

Woah, should watch more Cats games my man.

 

[Slattery_20]

FWIW I think Hodge's disposal can be over-rated at times. Not much of a right foot and tends to bang it long a bit too often to be classed as a really top (ie Goddard/Gilbee level) kick.

I'm pretty surprised at the amount of respect for Mitchell - I thought only Hawk fans really noticed. He is a briliant little nugget that takes a lot of punishment without pleading to umpires etc. Never seen a player as quick with his hands or as consistently good at clearances. He flicks between left and right hand/foot which often throws his tackler off balance. Is prone to the odd clanger.

I wouldn't go that far.
He's no GAblett, but he's on pretty good terms with the umps.
Very good player and top 3 or 4 clearance men.

 

[Commando]

Bartel.