Jimmy Sellar

[Cap]

Uh

a) KPP do take longer to develop you idiot. Aside from the freaks of the game (Careys, Franklins et al) most KP players struggle in their first couple of seasons at any AFL club at pretty much any level. So many people rate Mitch Clarke, Thorp, Dowler, Cleve Hughes, Mitch Brown as star KP's of the future and how much more established than James are they at this point of their careers?

b) Tippett is older? and more physically mature - wow bigger and stronger playing against grown men. 0 advantage there

c) Yet you stuck with him through thick and thin I'm sure...

d) Hardly relevant. Most people acknowledge he's struggling atm.

e) Also been acknowledged that the Bay probably isn't the best location for a guy like Sellar trying to ply his craft.

f) Yep. At a better than SANFL level too- even if it was the nothing cup.

Seriously, the bloke couldn't run the length of a footy field at the start of last pre-season. Close thread and re-open in 3 years.

its good having you around Rave (well while i agree with you anyway )

 

[tinman]

Lets stop this otherwise interstaters will be taking the piss out of our intelligence. For me, 18 is 18 on the dot. 20 is 20 on the dot. So if you are 19 and 1 day you are closer to 20 than 18. Simple isnt it?

Simple, but also misleading. When someone comes on a forum and states that a player is 'closer to 20 than 18' then for most people they wouldn't be thinking he's had his 19th birthday yesterday.....and two days a go he was 18 years old. If the statement was 'closer to his 20th birthday than his 18th' - ok, that's fair. Did you know that following your birthday you stay that age for a whole year?

I won't make any remarks about intelligence, only an inability for someone to admit they're wrong, and application of some perverse logic to justify a ridiculous statement.

The guy turned 19 less than a month ago. Four weeks ago he was 18. But he's closer to 20? I don't think so......

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Simple, but also misleading. When someone comes on a forum and states that a player is 'closer to 20 than 18' then for most people they wouldn't be thinking he's had his 19th birthday yesterday.....and two days a go he was 18 years old. If the statement was 'closer to his 20th birthday than his 18th' - ok, that's fair. Did you know that following your birthday you stay that age for a whole year?

I won't make any remarks about intelligence, only an inability for someone to admit they're wrong, and application of some perverse logic to justify a ridiculous statement.

The guy turned 19 less than a month ago. Four weeks ago he was 18. But he's closer to 20? I don't think so......

If you have $18.99c do you have eighteen dollars or would you say $19? From your logic you would say $18. If you have $19.01c you are closer to $20 than you are to $18. And good on you for not making remarks about intelligence...

 

[Freddy Bassett]

That's silly logic dingus.

Did you see much of J-Sell's junior footy pre ailments? Scary talent. The only concern I have is that he's a tweener and won't make it as a forward.

He'll definitely make it as a FOOTBALLER, just which position isn't set in stone yet. I have faith he'll make it as a forward.

Some people dribble a whole lot of shit over a bloke that hasn't even turned 20 yet.

O noes get out uR br00ms and declare shenaniganss!!!!!11

Dingus? Nice one..... Being a man of the world Raveslave, I thought you would of come across plenty of the junior heroes who never eventuate to anything. It is very, very common unfortunately. Especially when you are the biggest kid playing against smaller bodies. You learn some bad habits. So to be honest I could not care less how good Sellar was in u/16s! I care how he is progressing now... I remember Brett Burton as a junior and he was very average. Nathan Bassett was in our top 10 in school footy til he was about 16 but his brother Scott was always the best in his team... My point is junior footy means nothing.... On a another note Rave Slave what would you call a poor effort? Is there such a thing? Ive already said if Jimmy could take 6 marks and have 10 touches I would be very very happy.... Is that too much to ask of a bloke with such a decorated junior history who is physically ready to match it with the men?

 

[cmndstab]

My point is junior footy means nothing.... On a another note Rave Slave what would you call a poor effort? Is there such a thing? Ive already said if Jimmy could take 6 marks and have 10 touches I would be very very happy.... Is that too much to ask of a bloke with such a decorated junior history who is physically ready to match it with the men?

Just to play Devil's advocate, let's say Sellar plays four more games this year and does that in one of them. At the end of the year are you happy with him?

 

[aNty]

Think someone should make a large pinned topic name ''James Sellar''.

 

[Rave Slave]

Dingus? Nice one..... Being a man of the world Raveslave, I thought you would of come across plenty of the junior heroes who never eventuate to anything. It is very, very common unfortunately. Especially when you are the biggest kid playing against smaller bodies. You learn some bad habits. So to be honest I could not care less how good Sellar was in u/16s! I care how he is progressing now... I remember Brett Burton as a junior and he was very average. Nathan Bassett was in our top 10 in school footy til he was about 16 but his brother Scott was always the best in his team... My point is junior footy means nothing.... On a another note Rave Slave what would you call a poor effort? Is there such a thing? Ive already said if Jimmy could take 6 marks and have 10 touches I would be very very happy.... Is that too much to ask of a bloke with such a decorated junior history who is physically ready to match it with the men?

Dingus was very very harsh and I apologise profusely

HOWEVER I get frustrated at the criticisms thrown towards Jim. I acknowledge he's not putting up the performances we want to see (which in my estimations would be somewhere around 10 possies, 3-6 marks and 1-3 goals a game) BUT he was a junior ruckman. He started as a ruck and was pushed forward which, due to his bigger body against small blokes was very successful. He didn't need finesse and he didn't need positioning or timing of leads he just outmuscled everyone. Basically through all of his junior footy he's never really had to worry about the way he leads, pressures the ball carrier etc - coming to the AFC and the step up to seniors at the Bays was enormous.

ON TOP OF THAT when James was coming into the junior championships he was pretty much the perfect height and weight until illness affected his campaign. The talk was he lost something like 10 kilos in the month before and that dramatically affected his performance in the champs. It all sounds like BS excuses but I genuinely believe his major problems are all to do with stamina. If any club can build his fitness base it'll be the Crows but he was so far off the pace last year that he couldn't finish have the time trials in the time allocated (Maric and Mcgregor beating you is a good indication you're struggling).

I've seen world beating juniors who turn into spuds but IMO James isn't one of them. I'll be disappointed by the end of next year if he's not playing decent football for the Bays but I'm not giving up on him just yet.

 

[Rave Slave]

Also Jim may potentially be a 'Tweener' which concerns me but that being said I'm pretty confident he's grown to at least 197cm which if this is the case will mean his options are well and truly open.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Dingus was very very harsh and I apologise profusely

HOWEVER I get frustrated at the criticisms thrown towards Jim. I acknowledge he's not putting up the performances we want to see (which in my estimations would be somewhere around 10 possies, 3-6 marks and 1-3 goals a game) BUT he was a junior ruckman. He started as a ruck and was pushed forward which, due to his bigger body against small blokes was very successful. He didn't need finesse and he didn't need positioning or timing of leads he just outmuscled everyone. Basically through all of his junior footy he's never really had to worry about the way he leads, pressures the ball carrier etc - coming to the AFC and the step up to seniors at the Bays was enormous.

ON TOP OF THAT when James was coming into the junior championships he was pretty much the perfect height and weight until illness affected his campaign. The talk was he lost something like 10 kilos in the month before and that dramatically affected his performance in the champs. It all sounds like BS excuses but I genuinely believe his major problems are all to do with stamina. If any club can build his fitness base it'll be the Crows but he was so far off the pace last year that he couldn't finish have the time trials in the time allocated (Maric and Mcgregor beating you is a good indication you're struggling).

I've seen world beating juniors who turn into spuds but IMO James isn't one of them. I'll be disappointed by the end of next year if he's not playing decent football for the Bays but I'm not giving up on him just yet.

Dingus was good mate, been called everything I thought but never Dingus! And who knows, he is still young, his body and height are impressive and he may just be one of those blokes who when he clicks turns into a worldbeater.. Fingers crossed!

 

[Rave Slave]

Dingus was good mate, been called everything I thought but never Dingus! And who knows, he is still young, his body and height are impressive and he may just be one of those blokes who when he clicks turns into a worldbeater.. Fingers crossed!

We're all friends here *group hug*

His debut against the Kangas was average in weather that certainly wasn't condusive to big men performing. One thing I did notice was his closing speed and his forward line pressure was awesome. Hopefully he can bring it all together.

Who knows? 3 years from now Jim could be playing for Coogee thirds and I could be sitting here with egg on my face

 

[RangaInTeal]

He will be either a Ruckman or a mobile CHB! Mark my words! Tippet is going to be a Brendon Lade Ruckman, John Griffen to be a Matthew Luenburger Ruckman, Walker to be a Very good Full Forward but you need a CHF guys!

 

[Freddy Bassett]

We're all friends here *group hug*

His debut against the Kangas was average in weather that certainly wasn't condusive to big men performing. One thing I did notice was his closing speed and his forward line pressure was awesome. Hopefully he can bring it all together.

Who knows? 3 years from now Jim could be playing for Coogee thirds and I could be sitting here with egg on my face

Hopefully not mate. Im not fussed at all with his form for the Crows this year or even next to be honest. I just want to see him show a bit for the Bays... Anf the more I bag him the more Im sure I will be the one with egg on my face... I will admit I wrote of Edwards, Vardy and Goodwin when they were first selected by Adelaide... I am the master....

 

[Cap]

We're all friends here *group hug*

His debut against the Kangas was average in weather that certainly wasn't condusive to big men performing. One thing I did notice was his closing speed and his forward line pressure was awesome. Hopefully he can bring it all together.

Who knows? 3 years from now Jim could be playing for Coogee thirds and I could be sitting here with egg on my face

being stood by Paddy Ryder

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

You will all look silly in 3 years time.

I will bump this thread then.

 

[johnnypanther]

Sellar has a natural footy brain plus ability. Unfortunately, he also has to carry the burden of high expectations placed on him but as a KPP he is still in the rookie class

- most of the KPPs around the same age as him have not yet developed any further than Sellar has: see Lachlen Henderson, Lobbe (in Port's reserves yet older than Sellar), Jack Riewoldt, Ben Reid, Nathan? Mitch? Brown, Daniher, Robbie Tarrant, Jarad Grant, Andres Everitt, Gumbleton, etc etc

- remember too that he was bottom aged when we drafted him

 

[Freddy Bassett]

You will all look silly in 3 years time.

I will bump this thread then.

Are you on my side Campbell? Everyone else is defending him with some ripper excuses

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Are you on my side Campbell? Everyone else is defending him with some ripper excuses

I'm firmly on Jimmys side sorry mate.

In this case I'm a supporter, not a hater.

Bit of blind Crows faith won't go a stray.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

I'm firmly on Jimmys side sorry mate.

In this case I'm a supporter, not a hater.

Bit of blind Crows faith won't go a stray.

Very true... Im not a hater, Im just very concerned....

 

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Jason Porplyzia.

The ability was always there, was delisted only due to not having the fitness base required.

 

[Mismatched]

With Jimmy, what I would really like to see is how he goes as either the 1st or 2nd forward in the team, not a team like Glenelg's league side where he basically isn't required and possibly because of this isn't flourishing. Not sure whether the answer is to swap clubs(rarely does this work) or just drop him back to the Ressies, I just get the feeling we're not getting the full story with him playing for Glenelg, i.e. we can't tell exactly where he is at in his development as a forward as he only got the one game for the crows and with Glenelg, by the sounds he probably only gets a third of the match up forward. I'm also not against to the idea of giving him a bit of time at CHB as well.

I've got a lot of confidence in James, in terms of attitude and comittment I believe he's got his head right, its just a matter of improving his fitness as well as building up his confidence and teaching him how to play the position. If we can do this I think he will complement Tippet well as a lead up CHF, leaving Tippet to do what he does best as the beast at the top of the goalsquare crashing packs.

 

[Rave Slave]

being stood by Paddy Ryder

Nah mate that one's a monty for a Brownlow, haven't you heard the 'experts' talking him up

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Players who go on to become stars show something special early on. Such as Tippet who has played less football than sellar.

I still think playing Sellar at CHB for a yr or so is best for his development.

Tippett is a freak. There isn't a single 200cm tall player in the competition with his agility at ground level, let alone a 200cm tall player in his first season. I liken Sellar more to Josh Kennedy, now with West Coast.

Kennedy was a first round draft pick, highly regarded, almost the definition of a likely type. It was thought that the Blues could eventually build a forward line around him.

His first few seasons were whelming. Plenty of mediocre games for Carlton (who were shit) and plenty of footy in the reserves.

It has only been this season that he has emerged as a key forward at AFL level. This is his third year on an AFL list. The earth is slow but the ox is patient?

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Tippett is a freak. There isn't a single 200cm tall player in the competition with his agility at ground level, let alone a 200cm tall player in his first season. I liken Sellar more to Josh Kennedy, now with West Coast.

Kennedy was a first round draft pick, highly regarded, almost the definition of a likely type. It was thought that the Blues could eventually build a forward line around him.

His first few seasons were whelming. Plenty of mediocre games for Carlton (who were shit) and plenty of footy in the reserves.

It has only been this season that he has emerged as a key forward at AFL level. This is his fifth year on an AFL list. The earth is slow but the ox is patient?[/quote]


Eh gads Carl you have used my favourite from the Cave Bar toilet wall, you weren't at flinders/Sturt were you?

ps Give JS some time the lad is a lad and there are many years ahead of him to develop into a beast of an AFL forward.

 

[Crow-mo]

He will be either a Ruckman or a mobile CHB! Mark my words! Tippet is going to be a Brendon Lade Ruckman, John Griffen to be a Matthew Luenburger Ruckman, Walker to be a Very good Full Forward but you need a CHF guys!

I think Tippetts going to be in the mould of brad ottens.

 

[Crow-mo]

Eh gads Carl you have used my favourite from the Cave Bar toilet wall, you weren't at flinders/Sturt were you?

that chinese proverb was popularised by Mick Malthouse a couple of years ago, and I'll bet the graffiti in your toilet was from mick's reference too.