JJ not happy

[Pevers-Legend]

Learnt our lesson perhaps?

He'll get two in the end and I don't think we've whored him around. Not yet anyway.

but we did come to an agreement with Rioli so we can and have done it.

And no one is saying he is gone by seasons end next year. So it seems an ok thing. I am dodgy on his fitness, but surely we could come to some agreement on the contrct with a terminal injury clause built in it. I guess he wouldn;t go for that though. still.....

 

[Longy413]

but we did come to an agreement with Rioli so we can and have done it.

We did but it has still cost us upwards of $50,000. I don't think signing Rioli to two years (hindsight perhaps?) was a good idea and you'd hope we'd learn from that.

We don't want to get into the position where we just sign blokes with the, ah well, we'll pay him out if he gets injured attitude.

And no one is saying he is gone by seasons end next year. So it seems an ok thing. I am dodgy on his fitness, but surely we could come to some agreement on the contrct with a terminal injury clause built in it. I guess he wouldn;t go for that though. still.....

Yep, I agree.

I do think we're all getting a little carried away. I think EFC were well within their rights to be a little concerned and therefore offer a 1 year deal. I think JJ is well within his rights to upset at that and knock it back.

They'll meet in the middle somewhere, everything worked out with Scotty.

 

[stander]

I do think we're all getting a little carried away. I think EFC were well within their rights to be a little concerned and therefore offer a 1 year deal. I think JJ is well within his rights to upset at that and knock it back.

They'll meet in the middle somewhere, everything worked out with Scotty.

This is dumber than I previously thought. Dudoro should get sacked for this, let alone his draft efforts. Why offer him one year at 250-300k when you can offer him 2 years at 200k, and then meet in the middle.The club thinks he's good enough for at least one year, so out of respect, give him something to work with. As it stands he can walk out- and Camporeale is still preening over his 2 years. Not such a good message for guys like Stanton etc.

 

[Longy413]

Dodoro doesn't handle contracts.

And who says they won't meet in the middle? Negotiation is a process, rarely will a player (or the club) accept the first offer.
EFC made an offer, JJ knocked it back and requested what he wanted. EFC are yet to respond and are also trying to sign up others.

What you are suggesting may very well take place.

 

[Runk]

I'm not too sure if I am that upset at the thought of him going.
Please don't get me wrong, I reckon he is a great Bomber and his two B&F's are a credit to him and thoroughly deserved, but I'm not convinced he's got that much more to offer us.

To put it simply we do need to make some tough decisions this year and this may well be the toughest of the lot.

 

[stander]

Dodoro doesn't handle contracts.

And who says they won't meet in the middle? Negotiation is a process, rarely will a player (or the club) accept the first offer.
EFC made an offer, JJ knocked it back and requested what he wanted. EFC are yet to respond and are also trying to sign up others.

What you are suggesting may very well take place.

Do you know who "handles" contracts then? The first offer is dumb. Lets hope it does take place.

 

[Longy413]

Do you know who "handles" contracts then?

Jackon, Auld, Cato.

No doubt the match committee have a say on who stays and who goes.

The first offer is 'dumb' but somewhat understandable given we have been burnt in the past. Mercuri, Rioli etc. At least we are learning from mistakes in an area that has been our weakness.

You never offer your best price first up.

 

[stander]

Jackon, Auld, Cato.

No doubt the match committee have a say on who stays and who goes.

The first offer is 'dumb' but somewhat understandable given we have been burnt in the past. Mercuri, Rioli etc. At least we are learning from mistakes in an area that has been our weakness.

You never offer your best price first up.

I believe Dudoro as the list manager has a handle on this process too.

 

[Longy413]

I believe Dudoro as the list manager has a handle on this process too.

He'd no doubt have a say as to who stays and who goes. As much as any of the coaching staff do.

Although the list manager position doesn't start until 2007, when a full time recruiter is hired. At the moment he is still recruiting manager and list management is part of that role.

He doesn't hand out contracts, he doesn't negotiate and he most certainly wouldn't stipulate terms and conditions.

 

[stander]

He'd no doubt have a say as to who stays and who goes. As much as any of the coaching staff do.

Although the list manager position doesn't start until 2007, when a full time recruiter is hired. At the moment he is still recruiting manager and list management is part of that role.

He doesn't hand out contracts, he doesn't negotiate and he most certainly wouldn't stipulate terms and conditions.

But he certainly would suggest if JJ is a needed player, and where he may fit into the list in the long term, which impacts on terms and conditions offered by the beancounters. You conceded it was dumb- we don't need any more dumb decisions off the field, Sheedy has enough on his plate without having to contend with disgruntled players.

 

[Longy413]

You're trying to lay the blame at one individual.
The blame doesn't belong to one individual.

How do we know Adrian didn't suggest to give JJ a three year deal?
Speculating that this is his fault and trying to pin the blame on him is childish and pointless.

And I still suspect this is more Sheedy's doing than anyone else and is simply a scare tactic.

 

[stander]

You're trying to lay the blame at one individual.
The blame doesn't belong to one individual.

How do we know Adrian didn't suggest to give JJ a three year deal?
Speculating that this is his fault and trying to pin the blame on him is childish and pointless.

And I still suspect this is more Sheedy's doing than anyone else and is simply a scare tactic.

Dudoro and now Sheedy, sharing the blame around is pointless because you start losing accountability. A scare tactic like this is hardly warranted for a 28 year old premiership player wanting a reasonable final contract, after showing good signs in the latter half of 2006. And Camporale gets 2 years. Not good.

 

[Crave]

It could also be his injury is worse than first thought...for which Id imagine Quinn would have some input into the debate. Theres much more to this than has been documented

 

[Crave]

Dudoro and now Sheedy, sharing the blame around is pointless because you start losing accountability. A scare tactic like this is hardly warranted for a 28 year old premiership player wanting a reasonable final contract, after showing good signs in the latter half of 2006. And Camporale gets 2 years. Not good.

Agree with that...if thats the case!

 

[Longy413]

Dudoro and now Sheedy, sharing the blame around is pointless

So is blaming people when you don't know who to blame.

A scare tactic like this is hardly warranted for a 28 year old premiership player wanting a reasonable final contract

Probably, but perhaps it's not aimed at JJ. But rather our senior players coming out of contract at the end of next season (MJ for example) that having a poor year is not acceptable.

And Camporale gets 2 years. Not good.

You have to do that to get a bloke across from another club. Players don't change clubs for one year deals. That's just the nature of the beast.


People need to remember this is a negotiation process, try and understand exactly what that involves before getting too carried away.

 

[Merv]

Feel the love ...


GET THORNTON

 

[stander]

So is blaming people when you don't know who to blame.



Probably, but perhaps it's not aimed at JJ. But rather our senior players coming out of contract at the end of next season (MJ for example) that having a poor year is not acceptable.



You have to do that to get a bloke across from another club. Players don't change clubs for one year deals. That's just the nature of the beast.


People need to remember this is a negotiation process, try and understand exactly what that involves before getting too carried away.

The point is they have picked the wrong player to negotiate with, which is undermining the whole process. If its not aimed at JJ, don't insult the guy. Insult players like Laycock who is also wanting 2 years. Where is his one year contract ? MJ doesn't need this sort of message either.

 

[stander]

Feel the love ...


GET THORNTON

Why don't you say 'I love Thornton" instead.

 

[Longy413]

The point is they have picked the wrong player to negotiate with, which is undermining the whole process. If its not aimed at JJ, don't insult the guy. Insult players like Laycock who is also wanting 2 years. Where is his one year contract ? MJ doesn't need this sort of message either.

We have knocked back Laycock haven't we?

You negotiate with everyone.

 

[stander]

We have knocked back Laycock haven't we?

You negotiate with everyone.

We haven't offered him one year.

 

[Longy413]

How can you be so sure?

 

[stander]

How can you be so sure?

If they called JJ wrong- I don't have any confidence in the Laycock call. Enjoy the G/F. Maybe next year or the year after, for the Dons.

 

[D Mitchell]

So what of Sheedy with Rioli? A construct of the marketing department? The redrafting of Heffernan? Keeping Ramma on the senior list for 06? Loyalty still seems to hold some sway around Windy Hill..

Isn't Heffernan a poor example of loyalty ? He was traded off in the first place. I don't know why he was picked up again but it would have more to do with what Essendon saw as what he could contribute than that he is a former player. Weren't Rioli and Ramanauskas contracted ? Once the contract is in place, the club is stuck with the player. That's presumably why Essendon is being cautious with Johnson.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Let him go in my view (as much as that hurts to admit)

 

[windyhill]

JJ has been a great of our club and alway's will be, regardless where he plays next season. It shouldn't be taken into account when his new deal is offered. Good clubman won't win us a flag.

Surely nuts4bolts, just going on your nick, you are surely taking the ****ing piss son !