Preview JLT 2: vs Lions @ Casey Fields Saturday 9th March 4:40pm

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The only thing that concerns me is that alot of people seem to think we can ignore pre season results completely and just switch it on for Round 1. However let's not forget we have only had 1 good season in 13 years.. not sure we can be so bla...say

How the **** do you spell that word
blase
 

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Yeah I felt the family day might have been a bit lacklustre for small children - who are basically the audience that it is designed for. Needed some more rides and diversions, otherwise it becomes a three hour event comprised virtually entirely of standing in long queues for a photo with a player punctuated by standing in long queues at limited food trucks. For some weird reason, only one truck was ‘permitted’ to sell coffee - so buying a coffee and then a ham cheese jaffle took the best part of 45 minutes.

However mission accomplished - I got Jack Viney cups for harry000 and Gysberts2Bate

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When I played footy < 10 years ago (i.e. not the 70s 80s or 90s) if you weren't paying attention in the warm up you would get put on your ass by a more senior player.

ALWAYS expect contact. **** people are a bunch of soft cocks now days.
Yep when we were doing our run throughs the coaches would kick footys at us randomly to make sure we were switched on.
 

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The only thing that concerns me is that alot of people seem to think we can ignore pre season results completely and just switch it on for Round 1. However let's not forget we have only had 1 good season in 13 years.. not sure we can be so bla...say

How the **** do you spell that word
Blasé

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Presumably you'll back this up with scholarly analysis?
Associating masculinity
(qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men.) As evil or negative is the same closed minded behaviour people complain about in other parts of society

Imagine the phrase toxic aboriginality
"Not all aboriginals just the bad ones"

The progressive generation teaching equality by preaching hatred of a gender.. That's 2019

It's a ******* moronic phrase invented by male hating feminists. Probably right up your ally.
 
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"He argued based on the footage alone, the impact "must be more than low", and that the act had potential to cause injury."

Another year, another post from me saying that taking injury or potential injury into account is stupid and opens up way too much grey area, which has been the case here.

Here's a case where the player who was bumped wasn't actually injured in any way, but the rules which take injury into account still suspended the bloke anyway?

I'd argue 'how can it NOT be low-impact if the player wasn't injured?' What is low-impact anyway? Isn't it different for different players? Just seems a crazy way to do it to me.

They even admitted that he was kept off to make sure he had enough legs for round one, so there goes the argument that 'he didn't come back on'. It's bizarre to me even these years later that 'coming back on' or not comes into the equation. If we were playing Brisbane in Round One, it would have been in Brisbane's interest to keep him off and put an ice pack on his head just to make it look worse, wouldn't it?

The ball was within 5m, which means you're 'allowed' to bump. Could May not have argued that it was a shephard? What were May's alternatives? Let him go to receive the ball from the give and go? I guess he could have tried to stop the collision and just got in his way a bit? But that might be hard to do given May's size. It would also look really weird and pretty much against the fabric of the game. Just my opinion though.

Seems to me like they have just confused people even more with this ruling given the other bumps shown above.
 

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Associating masculinity
(qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men.) As evil or negative is the same closed minded behaviour people complain about in other parts of society

Imagine the phrase toxic aboriginality
"Not all aboriginals just the bad ones"

The progressive generation teaching equality by preaching hatred of a gender.. That's 2019

It's a ******* moronic phrase invented by male hating feminists. Probably right up your ally.
Easy mistake to make, TK. Toxic masculinity does not mean 'masculinity is toxic', it means 'certain normative masculine behaviours are toxic in the construction of an equal society'. Ie. Tones, Howard and the bois getting behind George Pell because he's a powerful bloke with powerful mates and oh it was just a bit of vanilla paedophilia but he's so important to an institution that we like. It's a provocative term, sure, but we can state with almost exact certainty that it's valid.

And yeah, it is right up my ally. Feel free to read my thesis on toxic masculinity - I'll send it to you if you like :thumbsu:
 

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Easy mistake to make, TK. Toxic masculinity does not mean 'masculinity is toxic', it means 'certain normative masculine behaviours are toxic in the construction of an equal society'. Ie. Tones, Howard and the bois getting behind George Pell because he's a powerful bloke with powerful mates and oh it was just a bit of vanilla paedophilia but he's so important to an institution that we like. It's a provocative term, sure, but we can state with almost exact certainty that it's valid.

And yeah, it is right up my ally. Feel free to read my thesis on toxic masculinity - I'll send it to you if you like :thumbsu:
I agree about the definition and the example you've provided. Well explained, actually.

However I think these days the term has actually morphed in meaning a bit and does sometimes verge on 'masculinity is toxic' with the way it is used. Sort of like how 'misogyny' has been almost equated to 'sexism'. So I can see where TK is coming from in this particular discussion, not that I necessarily agree.
 

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Easy mistake to make, TK. Toxic masculinity does not mean 'masculinity is toxic', it means 'certain normative masculine behaviours are toxic in the construction of an equal society'. Ie. Tones, Howard and the bois getting behind George Pell because he's a powerful bloke with powerful mates and oh it was just a bit of vanilla paedophilia but he's so important to an institution that we like. It's a provocative term, sure, but we can state with almost exact certainty that it's valid.

And yeah, it is right up my ally. Feel free to read my thesis on toxic masculinity - I'll send it to you if you like :thumbsu:
Have you seen the American razor commercial about it? It's used far more in the bigoted way than the way you describe.

Not across that pedo story at all so I can't really continue this.

Also that Brisbane bloke certainly wasn't using it in the context you used.

Happy to say I'm unaware of its origins or original purpose but I've never heard it used in your context an heard it used hundreds of times in mine.
 

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Have you seen the American razor commercial about it? It's used far more in the bigoted way than the way you describe.

Not across that pedo story at all so I can't really continue this.

Also that Brisbane bloke certainly wasn't using it in the context you used.
I liked the Gillette advert, which in my eyes was more of a guide to how not to be a campaigner because your kids are watching than a genuine analysis of what toxic masc is. Anyway, not the place for it, but its important to not entirely dismiss a term because some militants use it in a negative way.
 

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I liked the Gillette advert, which in my eyes was more of a guide to how not to be a campaigner because your kids are watching than a genuine analysis of what toxic masc is. Anyway, not the place for it, but its important to not entirely dismiss a term because some militants use it in a negative way.
Yes a company who's labour is most likely exclusively done by underpaid Asian workers in poor conditions is giving out moral lessons.
Like most things the term itself might have originally been created for an important topic but it's definently not used for that anymore.

The promotion of women an women being supportive of each other an strong an independent whilst simultaneously running a campaign on everything that's wrong with men is a shithouse way to reach equality.
 

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Easy mistake to make, TK. Toxic masculinity does not mean 'masculinity is toxic', it means 'certain normative masculine behaviours are toxic in the construction of an equal society'. Ie. Tones, Howard and the bois getting behind George Pell because he's a powerful bloke with powerful mates and oh it was just a bit of vanilla paedophilia but he's so important to an institution that we like. It's a provocative term, sure, but we can state with almost exact certainty that it's valid.

And yeah, it is right up my ally. Feel free to read my thesis on toxic masculinity - I'll send it to you if you like :thumbsu:
More importantly though, Topkent is right in saying that anyone who thinks Toxic Masculinity is a sentence that can be used is a ******* moron - he’s not wrong. Toxic Masculinity isn’t a sentence. Doesn’t have any verb action going there at all.
 

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Have you seen the American razor commercial about it? It's used far more in the bigoted way than the way you describe.

Not across that pedo story at all so I can't really continue this.

Also that Brisbane bloke certainly wasn't using it in the context you used.

Happy to say I'm unaware of its origins or original purpose but I've never heard it used in your context an heard it used hundreds of times in mine.
That ad is 'Torches of Freedom' manipulative rubbish designed purely to stir up as much controversy as possible. Gillette don't give a shit about gender issues or masculinity, they care about selling razors and that is all that ad is designed to do. Buy more shaving gear and stick it to the chauvinist bastards on the internet.

It's like Disney co-opting feminism to sell tickets to their latest by-the-numbers superhero movie in Captain Marvel. One of the most bland movies ever with a message that was about as deep as yelling "girl power!" But you're not a good feminist if you don't go and buy a ticket.

Causes have become corporate products.
 
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