Remove this Banner Ad

JLT 2018

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

15yearmember said:
There are stats and there are stats. I'd have thought Priddis' career would have taught us that.

Jon Brown took over games and stood up in the biggest moments. Jack Darling has rarely (ever?) been that guy. Brown was an absolutely key part of one of the best teams of all time. Darling is a perfect reflection of the West Coast era he has played in. Kind of good; statstistically decent; not really a threat to the best teams and not really someone those better teams worry about.

His career to date has been entirely decent but would we be demonstrably better or worse or more particularly any less of a threat to win anything if he wasn't there? Arguably not.

Ultimately he's not big enough to be a genuine first option tall and he's not agile or talented enough to play further up the ground or run through the midfield. He is what he is, a general solid second or third option in the home and away season, particularly at home and against non elite teams.


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...
Are you aware Brown did not kick more than 40 goals in a season until his 8th season? This will be Darlings 8th season (I think)

And if you're talking about being a big contributor in Brisbanes flag seasons.. Brown kicked a total 79 goals in the 3 seasons. An average of 26 a season. Hardly amazing.

sure I'll give you his latter years have Darling covered.. but I still have hope Jack can get better :)
 
Eaglespur said:
Are you aware Brown did not kick more than 40 goals in a season until his 8th season? This will be Darlings 8th season (I think)

And if you're talking about being a big contributor in Brisbanes flag seasons.. Brown kicked a total 79 goals in the 3 seasons. An average of 26 a season. Hardly amazing.

sure I'll give you his latter years have Darling covered.. but I still have hope Jack can get better :)
Click to expand...

Which part of "there are stats and there are stats" didn't you understand?

Did you watch Brisbane with Jon Brown?

Your kidding yourself if you think the players are comparable, for a start Brown played as a genuine CHF in all of his early years but regardless of that, you either didn't watch him or you are some sort of clueless stats tragic if you think there is the remotest comparison. Which is it?


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
15yearmember said:
Which part of "there are stats and there are stats" didn't you understand?

Did you watch Brisbane with Jon Brown?

Your kidding yourself if you think the players are comparable, for a start Brown played as a genuine CHF in all of his early years but regardless of that, you either didn't watch him or you are some sort of clueless stats tragic if you think there is the remotest comparison. Which is it?


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...
Man, your negative energy is foul.

If you don't want to agree that's cool, I just disagree that for the first part of his career Browny was such a "game changer". later on absolutely.

Get around Darlinggggg

ps. completely ignoring stats is ignorant
 
Eaglespur said:
Man your negative energy is rank.

If you don't want to agree that's cool I just disagree that for the first part of his career Browny was such a "game changer". later on absolutely.

Get around Darlinggggg
Click to expand...

Age 25.

So in the early part of his career you were under 10?

Maybe check out his 45 Brownlow Votes in the first 7 seasons v Jack's 10. And Brown was in 4 Grand Finals and a top side - plenty of genuine superstars competing for votes.

The "negative energy" comment is lame and plays to the worst millennial stereotypes. Did you cry with Dave Warner too? :p

Happy to get around Darling but the comparison with Brown is ridiculous and undermines the credibility of the bloke making it.


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

WCEswift said:
Nice little season pump up feature a lot of our guys in early to mid 20s Trigger warning some 2015 gf footage
Edit: i didn't make it found on youtube

Click to expand...


After watching that anyone would think we only have one explosive/exciting mid :( or that Shuey's mum made it.
 
Eaglespur said:
Man, your negative energy is foul.

If you don't want to agree that's cool, I just disagree that for the first part of his career Browny was such a "game changer". later on absolutely.

Get around Darlinggggg

ps. completely ignoring stats is ignorant
Click to expand...

Oh, one of those guys who edits AFTER you respond. I love them....

How many goals did Steve Silvagni kick in his first 7 seasons? Yes, I'm aware he played a different role to Jack but so did Brown. Both SOS and Brown are champions of the game - Jack not so much.

And I did quote stats, relevant ones, that showed how Brown impacted results ;)

Probably best you don't call your betters ignorant going forward.




On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Can't help but feel JD has been grappling with the responsibility of having a young family and just generally maturing over the last couple of years... But that's neither here nor there.

Still reckon we haven't seen his best.
 
15yearmember said:
Oh, one of those guys who edits AFTER you respond. I love them....

How many goals did Steve Silvagni kick in his first 7 seasons? Yes, I'm aware he played a different role to Jack but so did Brown. Both SOS and Brown are champions of the game - Jack not so much.

And I did quote stats, relevant ones, that showed how Brown impacted results ;)

Probably best you don't call your betters ignorant going forward.




On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...
Bro, you're welcome to your opinion. Which i guess is that Brown is far better than Jack Darling.. which we both agree on.. so i guess you can pat yourself on the back like you seem so comfortable already doing haha

Also, you quote my age is if to dismiss my opinion. why do this ? and then ask me about Silvani when you already know my age and that i couldn't have seen him? very bizarre.

Claiming to be superior to someone on a public internet forum is extremely beta and paints a pretty poor picture of oneself and I don't watch cricket or the news so i have no idea about Dave Warners comments sooo
 
Jiggyman said:
Can't help but feel JD has been grappling with the responsibility of having a young family and just generally maturing over the last couple of years... But that's neither here nor there.

Still reckon we haven't seen his best.
Click to expand...
Agreed. But I said the same thing this time last year haha
 
Jiggyman said:
Can't help but feel JD has been grappling with the responsibility of having a young family and just generally maturing over the last couple of years... But that's neither here nor there.

Still reckon we haven't seen his best.
Click to expand...

The great ones don't let stuff like that distract them. I hope he gets better but at the moment he's pretty much exactly what those with reservations about him before the draft suggested he was - undersized big forward with no other strings to his bow. Decent but not elite.

Let's hope he gets better


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Eaglespur said:
Agreed. But I said the same thing this time last year haha
Click to expand...
I've said it before that Jacks best position is as a 3rd tall, not CHF as he's not quite tall enough. In saying that though Jack still manages to kick his fair share of goals and compared to other sides he kicks more goals as our 2nd tall in comparison to what other sides 2nd talls kick so he's not doing too bad?
 
frenchconnection said:
I've said it before that Jacks best position is as a 3rd tall, not CHF as he's not quite tall enough. In saying that though Jack still manages to kick his fair share of goals and compared to other sides he kicks more goals as our 2nd tall in comparison to what other sides 2nd talls kick so he's not doing too bad?
Click to expand...
Can't think of another forward who's kicked 40 odd goals a year for 7 years as a 2nd tall...
 
Eaglespur said:
Bro, you're welcome to your opinion. Which i guess is that Brown is far better than Jack Darling.. which we both agree on.. so i guess you can pat yourself on the back like you seem so comfortable already doing haha

Also, you quote my age is if to dismiss my opinion. why do this ? and then ask me about Silvani when you already know my age and that i couldn't have seen him? very bizarre.

Claiming to be superior to someone on a public internet forum is extremely beta and paints a pretty poor picture of oneself and I don't watch cricket or the news so i have no idea about Dave Warners comments sooo
Click to expand...

Passive aggressive numpties aren't exactly new here mate. You don't get to attack people as foul, negative and ignorant - all your barbs - and then claim the moral high ground.

You either get footy and you know about Brown and guys like SOS or you don't. If you don't then don't talk about them as if you do based on random and poorly selected stats. If you are going to talk about them be prepared to back them up.

I think we agree that you actually have no idea about Brown. And as such you now concede he's far better. So why did you run so hard with the comparison? Are you clueless or spineless - its hard to figure out....

I'm not patting myself on the back, I'm simply confused as to why you decided to run the argument you did, then defend it, then attack me for pointing out how silly it was, then agree with me but attack me again anyway as if pointing out your base silliness is somehow a flaw on my part.

Have a lovely day


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
frenchconnection said:
I've said it before that Jacks best position is as a 3rd tall, not CHF as he's not quite tall enough. In saying that though Jack still manages to kick his fair share of goals and compared to other sides he kicks more goals as our 2nd tall in comparison to what other sides 2nd talls kick so he's not doing too bad?
Click to expand...

There's no doubt he kicks his 2 goals a game. The first question is whether that's enough - probably. The second question is what does that make him? - I'm not sure where to categorize him in terms of his value. Is he just a tall Ballantyne? Useful but not critical or is he more important than that?

I've always been a fan of Jack but I do wonder as the game evolves whether the lack of being a genuine tall and any other string to his bow means he'll end up not having a real role?

Not sure, but he won't get quicker or more agile or taller, so it's hard to see where he gets better?

Referring back to the Jono Brown comparison - with guys like him, Gehrig, and as they got less agile they just gained bulk and were still imposing enough to play as KP deep forwards. Previously they played higher up the ground, on flanks etc.

Jack doesn't have size to fall back on. So will he suddenly drop off a cliff and have no role?


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Righto listen here you cucks i watched the east perth game for a half.

Nelson was good laid some hard tackles
Scott Lycetts Mrs is the size of my thumb
Watson played decently.
Schofield and Masten are cooked
Brayshaw got punched in the head the same way Green hit caleb daniel
Now NicNat... The first quarter was scared to jump. ruck work was decent covered the ground well, Second quarter he was jumping well went for a couple of grabs tackled and chased well just needs more game time and he'll be right.
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

15yearmember said:
Age 25.

So in the early part of his career you were under 10?

Maybe check out his 45 Brownlow Votes in the first 7 seasons v Jack's 10. And Brown was in 4 Grand Finals and a top side - plenty of genuine superstars competing for votes.

The "negative energy" comment is lame and plays to the worst millennial stereotypes. Did you cry with Dave Warner too? :p

Happy to get around Darling but the comparison with Brown is ridiculous and undermines the credibility of the bloke making it.


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...

I wonder how Darling would have fared with Voss, Black, Ackermanis and Lapin feeding the ball into the forward half?

Its not like Darling has ever had a gun midfield supply.
 
Obeanie1 said:
I wonder how Darling would have fared with Voss, Black, Ackermanis and Lapin feeding the ball into the forward half?

Its not like Darling has ever had a gun midfield supply.
Click to expand...

Well, they kicked a fair few goals themselves which is what happens when you have good midfields.

I think it’s simplistic to assume that Darling automatically kicks more in that side.

I think anyone who analysis the list of leading goal kickers (AFL & Us) since 2010 when Darling joined will see that lots of complimentary players kick 30+ goals a year. Some teams have had 4+ in the same year.

When you look through the list you see some genuine talls, a lot of genuine smalls and a fair few guys who play mid/forward.

My issues with Jack are that with the exception of one season (2012) he’s been a complimentary player who plays as a permanent forward and isn’t really a tall. That seems almost a luxury in modern footy.

Are you somehow suggesting you think he’s a Jono Brown level player? Or a genuinely top level player?


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
 

Remove this Banner Ad

JLT 2018

Similar threads

A
List Mgmt. Welcome Harry Edwards (Pick 18, 2018 Rookie Draft)
Replies
6
Views
1K
THE A5
THE A5

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top