Hughes looked confused at times because he seemed to want to attack but unsure how.
Cerra setting him up with a loopy handball didn't help him any.
Cerra setting him up with a loopy handball didn't help him any.
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I hope Ross never actually though 4 tall forwards would work. We have enough problems keeping it in the f50 as it is.As we get Blakely and Hill back this should be less of a concern, but you're right, yesterday Collingwood's small forwards went on a rampage at times. I was surprised how many they got over the back against a Ross Lyon team. It's basically the cardinal sin.
Hamling just didn't have a match-up (Elliott dominated him on the ground). The Magpies mids all push hard forward and hit the scoreboard as well (Varcoe 3, Sidebottom 1, Wills 1, Beams 1, Phillips 1). We have to start making them kick some dirty ball rather than have uncontested shots on goal.
I think we just need to start getting players back - as mentioned Hill and Blakely, but also some more pressure in the midfield with the return of Fyfe and more game time to Mundy. Conca has a good defensive side as well.
Don't know where to start with the forwards. Playing 4 talls didn't work except when Lobb was rucking and one of Tabener or Hogan was miles up the ground. Just have to make a call now and sit Taberner out until we can keep the ball popping out of the back 50 so easily. More game time from Mundy would be ideal here as well, and I think Banfield has to at the least play 60-80% forward. Walters as a mid just robs us in the area we need him most.
I think I'd like to see the forward 6 next week:
Walters, Cox, Mundy
Schultz, Hogan, Banfield
Lobb forward and ruck
Would love to see Sturt get some minutes as well.
Hughes looked confused at times because he seemed to want to attack but unsure how.
Cerra setting him up with a loopy handball didn't help him any.
My bad. He and Hughes had similar games, good and bad.It was Logue. Logue isn't a footy players arsehole so far. He's an athlete, but some of his skill work needs some serious attention
Looks about right. One defensive small back would be nice.
I gather you were at the game Lach. What did you make of Tucker's game?
I'm in the group of people who were disappointed in how many times we bombed it long to the top of the square. It was not encouraging but I still think there was a lot to like and work with, and some valid disclaimers
1) Final score means nothing, in front in the last qtr of a JLT match in 40 degrees. Couldnt be more unconcerned with going down by close to 30 points
2) If Switta can keep his body together I really think we have a player on our hands. Seems ridiculous from how limited we've seen him but he applies an incredible amount of pressure and was massive that first qtr. Injury history starting to build up though...
3) Cox is going to be an absolute star, is already a better player than Taberner with that game being the perfect example.
4) Might be making excuses but you'd have to argue since our depth is pretty average that missing our best two midfielders impacts us just about more than any other team, its a big drop off in talent. To compete with the best midfield in the comp was a good effort
5) Happily surprised with how good Lobb was, will be the best ruck combo in the comp with Darcy for the next 4 years.
6) Want to see more of that marking from AP this year. Its what he'll need to do to take the next step
7) I have never seen a worse game of football from a defender than what Hamling put out, only up from here.
8) Ballas is so cooked its not even funny. Will remember the good times.
9) AB will be unstoppable with another 8kg of muscle. Will play 250 games of football
10) I think we have a serious issue against fast/small forwards. It's why I'm confused about the obvious non-rating of Nyhuis. He is clearly our best small defender, and by a long way. We have the attacking defenders in Wilson and Ryan, not sure why Nhyuis isnt getting more of a gig
We have a limit of one Luke in the team at a time. He needs to displace Luke Ryan if he wants a game.Whats up with Valente ? is he expected to play this year?
To be fair to the coaching group, they gave him the most promising young player last year and he played forward so I assume they must rate him.I agree with most of what you. Just want to make comment on a couple of things.
3) Cox. It seems so obvious to me that Cox is an extremely promising forward, yet our coaching panel don't seem to see it - they have him training in defence, or maybe not best 22. This worries me.
4) Midfield - we are building a small body of work that suggests we have a better midfield without Fyfe than with Fyfe. This is not to suggest that he is not a fantastic player, just that in some way we don't get best value from his presence. Maybe other players step back, maybe we lack variety when he plays, who knows? Not me. The body of work is that last year our winning % was better without Fyfe than with him, our best wins of the year were Essendon, Adelaide and Port, 2 without Fyfe, and our best win IMHO was against Adelaide where we lost the hitouts and won the clearances, something we generally struggle with whenever we are without Sandi. Yesterday we lost the hitouts and won the clearances.
8) Ballas - I still have every expectation of seeing him line up in Round 1.
10) Many of us want to see Nyhuis get some real opportunity. I am with that group.
My take on this is that we need some depth in KPD. Both Cox and Kersten have the ability to swing. So if we get a raft of KPD injuries then Cox can step up. He is still seen as a fwd first according to the coaches I have heard and played as such yesterday.I agree with most of what you. Just want to make comment on a couple of things.
3) Cox. It seems so obvious to me that Cox is an extremely promising forward, yet our coaching panel don't seem to see it - they have him training in defence, or maybe not best 22. This worries me.
I would be playing both. Valente was an excellent pick, spewing my team didn't bother picking him when they had the chance.We have a limit of one Luke in the team at a time. He needs to displace Luke Ryan if he wants a game.
He has been on a modified program most of the summer for some reason. Only joined the main group in the last few weeks.I would be playing both. Valente was an excellent pick, spewing my team didn't bother picking him when they had the chance.
Bombing it in long to Hogan or Lobb in a 1-on-1 ... that is fine. Especially for Lobb.
But that is not we did. The gameplan on show today is not going to work against any half decent side.
The end of the game is what concerned me the most, several games last year we were in touch with 10 min to go and let the opposition blew their lead out to 20-30 points which made us look significantly less competitive than we actually were and it happened again today, ffs we were 1 point down with like 10 min to go and ended up losing by like 30 when it was actually a close game. we saw it against GWS, North and Essendon last season to name a few! how hard is it to put in effort in the last 10 min and hold the loss down to 5-15 points... or god forbid get a few goals and win the stupid thing! it's like the players hit a point and decide theres no way to win from it and let it go from a close game to a convincing win. It's a dumb pattern and it has to stop.
He has been on a modified program most of the summer for some reason. Only joined the main group in the last few weeks.
Not in the preseason game last year. WestCoast went half pace and had zero cohesion in their play. Our best 2 players (Fyfe and Hogan playing more than a bit part to blow off cobwebs) will make a huge difference. Potentially one of the better top 2 players in the league. Hogan should help significantly with stopping us from bombing long as he is great on both long and short leads, so he should get separation on his man to allow for more effective leading play. I wouldnt worry about him drifting to defence in the Collingwood game. If he was only going to play limited minutes it would be part of the plan for him to roam in his time on the ground. No point simply spending a bit of time deep if that he wasnt involved in play. Darcy is all of a sudden a massive in. If he can match the oppositions best ruckman then I think Lobb can dominate if he plays against a second ruck for 25%ish of the game. Was great yesterday against a fantastic ruckman. Imagine him against say McKay of North (who is tipped by their supporters to play second ruck) in the round 1 game. Hopefully Tucker builds on form and can help improve our all round tackle pressure with Conca, Banfield, and Brayshaw.its all about the way it comes in as well. We bombed it, west coast bring it in like a proper footy team should.
Big difference.
Yes freeing Lobb up is good because he is a decent player, but doesn't mean Jones was any good apart from being there. He was beaten, and then beaten again, and no shame in that given it was against Grundy. But he does compete and kept Grundy honest, but he is 4th in line I think. I suspect he got a gig because he has some kind of experience in the forward line, so with Lobb rucking it brought some flexibility, but only theoretically.I thought we actually looked better with Jones in the ruck. He may not have won it but he used his body and it freed Lobb up to move and offer an option.
I think he has had some groin soreness? And so they were worried about an over-use injury and pulled him back a bit.I would be playing both. Valente was an excellent pick, spewing my team didn't bother picking him when they had the chance.
Not sure if OP, but definitely from what I saw / heard seemed to be something groin related. He was fine running in straight lines (and did a power of running work) but was suffering some pain when moving laterally. I think it is pretty much OK now though, so look forward to him getting game time at Peel in the near future.
Yep, for me right from the moment late in the game when he took the ball, played on pretty much straight away and had the vision/ability to hit Weller with the handball he has looked a likely half-forward. I was impressed with his first half pressure efforts on Saturday. I also like the way he has several different ways to have a scoreboard impact: yes he can mark-and-goal but he can also goal from a front-and-square crumb or get a goal assist from a quick handball in broken play. He isn't as one-dimensional as some of our other forwards.... Even back to his earliest games (ie Geelong at their stadium in 2017), he pulled off a kick back towards the centre which showed amazing vision and he sent that perfect massive handball onto Weller without him slowing his stride that almost lead to the Walters game winning goal.
He has to play round 1 for mine. Is ahead of Tabs at the moment.
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