Preview JLT1: Dockers vs Collingdidnt, Monday 4th March

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Square Peg,given your post do you actually know anything about footy?, Nyhuis is our one and only lock down defender , yes not attacking, great kick or pace but he can beat his opponent in a one on one in a contest ie Robbie Gray type of player and someone like that egirl pest Rioili
Roly as a defensive coach doesnt seem to value that quality for some strange reason,for mine first guy picked to handle the most dangerous opposition forward
If you want to look at poor players on our list go no further than Scott Jones , he is not even WALF standard (and i have seen plenty of him at Peel last year, the guy cant even take a grab at that level)
PS/talking about Peel can we please add Blair Bell to our list as a half forward flanker
 

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Don't think Ryan is injured at all is he, not even a suggestion of it?
See the West article from Duffield - reportedly heavy strapping on his shin and a severe limp at training. Not a major injury - sounds like a shin corky. Not training at all.

Logue - strapping around his hamstring and also limping and not training.

Swita’s mouthstring injury unconfirmed diagnosis and observed walking laps at training. Hopefully not long term.


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Cox kicked three goals in first half. Hogan went to bench in early third. Cox kick no more goals. Possibly a correlation there. Plus Cox looked to be carrying a knock to his wrist - could see him avoiding putting weight on it when picking himself up off the ground.

Hogans value won’t just be the goals he kicks for us, but just a better performing offence in general. I don’t care if Hogan kicks no goals if Cox kicks 60
Wrist/hand/finger - there was definitely an issue there and noted by afl.com.au. He dropped sharp marking chance in the last quarter and stayed down playing with his wrist/fingers for a while but kept on going. He seemed none to happy with it after that dropped mark.


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Did Swita have any history of hamstring problems before he entered an AFL program?
Given his struggles in 2017, being finally selected by the Dockers was actually a bit of surprise.

Switkowski had a challenging season in the VFL, playing just 12 games.

Glandular fever and a recurring hamstring injury kept him on the sidelines, but what he did in his 12 games was enough to catch the eye of Fremantle's recruiting team.
 

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See the West article from Duffield - reportedly heavy strapping on his shin and a severe limp at training. Not a major injury - sounds like a shin corky. Not training at all.

Logue - strapping around his hamstring and also limping and not training.

Swita’s mouthstring injury unconfirmed diagnosis and observed walking laps at training. Hopefully not long term.


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I think Luke Ryan is undergoing some experimental surgical procedure to turn him into a footballing version of robocop... at least that’s my take from his insta post

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I think Luke Ryan is undergoing some experimental surgical procedure to turn him into a footballing version of robocop... at least that’s my take from his insta post
If Bennell is a mysterious IN for JLT2 and Ryan is an unexpected OUT I think we'll know what has happened here.
 

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See the West article from Duffield - reportedly heavy strapping on his shin and a severe limp at training. Not a major injury - sounds like a shin corky. Not training at all.

Logue - strapping around his hamstring and also limping and not training.

Swita’s mouthstring injury unconfirmed diagnosis and observed walking laps at training. Hopefully not long term.


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What training session was that? They didn't train today, was there a session earlier in the week?
 

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Funky selection of stats. Mind you the Saints twice bettered 60 i50's in a game in 2009, scoring 25.11 and 17.12, not bad scores.
Depends on the opponent.

Ross’s coaching career has been plagued by having teams that can make good field position and dominate all areas of the ground except the scoreboard.
 

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Depends on the opponent.

Ross’s coaching career has been plagued by having teams that can make good field position and dominate all areas of the ground except the scoreboard.
Is that so? Perhaps it's for the best you've moved away from trying to use a veneer of "stats" to cling to your pov, not really a strong suit.

I would guess your point from that highly selective use of stats was that i50's are irrelevant to any increase in scoring for Lyon's coaching. I'd need to have a bigger sample to make any firm conclusions, but 2009 would suggest generally the more the better for scoring. Also more i50's might be more helpful to scoring than less.

Given the skinny supply last year, the big increase over the weekend suggests there are changes to the plan to aid scoring. We'll have to see how solid that is, but it'd be churlish to not see that as a more attacking approach.
 

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Is that so? Perhaps it's for the best you've moved away from trying to use a veneer of "stats" to cling to your pov, not really a strong suit.

I would guess your point from that highly selective use of stats was that i50's are irrelevant to any increase in scoring for Lyon's coaching. I'd need to have a bigger sample to make any firm conclusions, but 2009 would suggest generally the more the better for scoring. Also more i50's might be more helpful to scoring than less.

Given the skinny supply last year, the big increase over the weekend suggests there are changes to the plan to aid scoring. We'll have to see how solid that is, but it'd be churlish to not see that as a more attacking approach.
I'd rather we worked on improving on our efficiency I50 over just 'getting it in there'. I don't think against the better teams in the season proper we're going to be getting the type of midfield dominance that'll allow us to go for this type of quantity over quality approach.
 

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I'd rather we worked on improving on our efficiency I50 over just 'getting it in there'. I don't think against the better teams in the season proper we're going to be getting the type of midfield dominance that'll allow us to go for this type of quantity over quality approach.
Absolutely, but it's fair to say in preseason of a new forward line and new game style, it's a work in progress.

It's also not unreasonable to assume the rapid ball movement (indicated by increase in i50's) shows intent, while the finesse of connection with forwards can take more time to build.

If it was easy every one would be doing it.
 

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I'd rather we worked on improving on our efficiency I50 over just 'getting it in there'. I don't think against the better teams in the season proper we're going to be getting the type of midfield dominance that'll allow us to go for this type of quantity over quality approach.
Are you suggesting that on Monday we had midfield dominance over Collingwood?

We got high inside 50s despite getting killed in the middle. If we dominate the middle we might get cleaner i50s.
 

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Are you suggesting that on Monday we had midfield dominance over Collingwood?

We got high inside 50s despite getting killed in the middle. If we dominate the middle we might get cleaner i50s.
I wouldn't call it dominance, but we were far from killed in the middle. We lost the hit outs, but won clearances, stoppages, contested possessions and tackles - I'd say that was a good win for us considering the quality of the Collingwood midfield.

The worrying thing is the disparity in overall disposals, which goes back to our old "Hawthorn" issue that we turn the ball over and once the opposition gets the ball we don't seem able to get it back!

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I wouldn't call it dominance, but we were far from killed in the middle. We lost the hit outs, but won clearances, stoppages, contested possessions and tackles - I'd say that was a good win for us considering the quality of the Collingwood midfield.

The worrying thing is the disparity in overall disposals, which goes back to our old "Hawthorn" issue that we turn the ball over and once the opposition gets the ball we don't seem able to get it back!

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We'll meet in between. Killed is a bit harsh but when Sidey, Pendles, Beams and Phillips get 118 between them, the midfield had a fair day out.
 

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Is that so? Perhaps it's for the best you've moved away from trying to use a veneer of "stats" to cling to your pov, not really a strong suit.

I would guess your point from that highly selective use of stats was that i50's are irrelevant to any increase in scoring for Lyon's coaching. I'd need to have a bigger sample to make any firm conclusions, but 2009 would suggest generally the more the better for scoring. Also more i50's might be more helpful to scoring than less.

Given the skinny supply last year, the big increase over the weekend suggests there are changes to the plan to aid scoring. We'll have to see how solid that is, but it'd be churlish to not see that as a more attacking approach.
I’m not backing off from anything, running up score against a crap team is meaningless.

Ross has serious flaws in his style, yet 13 years into his senior career people still want to pretend he’s about to unleash something new. When does the gloss come off?
 
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I wouldn't call it dominance, but we were far from killed in the middle. We lost the hit outs, but won clearances, stoppages, contested possessions and tackles - I'd say that was a good win for us considering the quality of the Collingwood midfield.

The worrying thing is the disparity in overall disposals, which goes back to our old "Hawthorn" issue that we turn the ball over and once the opposition gets the ball we don't seem able to get it back!

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Jeeps our " OLD Hawthorn issue " ??????????


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I’m not backing off from anything, running up score against a crap team is meaningless.

Ross has serious flaws in his style, yet 13 years into his senior career people still want tor pretend he’s about to unleash something new. When does the gloss come off?
Here's a little question to ponder on a rainy Wednesday arvo

If Belly and Rosco swapped roles tomorrow would Freo be better , worse or the same in 2019 ?


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