Game Day JLT2 - Carlton vs Collingwood - Monday 11th March 2.10PM @ Morwell - Final Team Post #777

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We are trying to get our best 22 to gel. We have so many new faces.

The clubs you mentioned have a much more settled line up. Where the majority of their players know the system. Playing a few extra kids to try them out is easier, given they wouldn't expect most of them to play much during the year.

We did it a couple of years ago too. Hell, even LeBois got some game time.

At the moment we are trying to settle and get the repetitions in with as stable a line up as possible.

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Other teams like GCS and Lions played 26 players, not just the experienced settled clubs k-man.

No doubt we took a different approach and played just the 22 with 2 guys sitting out effectively as emergencies. Maybe it was to condition the players to in-season games where there is only 4 on the bench, a bit like we did in previous years when we used fewer rotations in preseason games.

Anyway enough said. I'll have to wait another week or two to see Stocker in action.
 

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Other teams like GCS and Lions played 26 players, not just the experienced settled clubs k-man.

No doubt we took a different approach and played just the 22 with 2 guys sitting out effectively as emergencies. Maybe it was to condition the players to in-season games where there is only 4 on the bench, a bit like we did in previous years when we used fewer rotations in preseason games.

Anyway enough said. I'll have to wait another week or two to see Stocker in action.
Here are some facts to support your statement Go Blues:

Geelong 26 Players used (0 25% game time or under) V Essendon 26 (3)
GWS 26 (1) V Adelaide 25 (2)
PA 23 (0) V NM 26 (1)
Mel 23 (1) V Bris 26 (1)
Haw 26 (0) v Rich 26 (2)
Syd 26 (1) V GC 26 (1)
WB 25 (1) v STK 25 (0)
FRE 25 (2) v WC 24 (1)
COLL 24 (0) v CAR 22 (0)

Carlton were the only team to play 22 players, 17 other coaches decided it was was beneficial for their side to play more. Port Adelaide appear to have had a similar approach to us.

Carlton staff backed in their program and played 22. Ultimately it is what is best for our players and our current stage of program, so I will 100% back in the plan if that is what the minds at Carlton think is the best approach.

The above highlights 12 of the 18 coaches thought it was good planning for the season to play a player 25% or less game time. Clearly, both approaches have strong merits and will all be dependent on the current stage of each players/clubs pre-season.

Wouldn't let anyone tell you it is putting the cue in the rack or a negative to give the players a limited run, clearly majority of coaching panels in the league support it GoBlues. It simply must not have fit our plan for the day, workloads would have been shifted and managed according to game time.

Looking forward to winning round 1.
 
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By the way, who in Collingwood's midfield are considered fast? None have breakaway pace. They work together cohesively, have great positioning and effective disposal.
Hosking-Elliot, De Goey, Stephenson.

Their trick isn't pace so much as it's weight of numbers and always having one or two extra players of quality that the opposition cannot cover. They might not have the greatest quality - although Pendlebury, Sidebottom aren't bad at all - but their worst mids would sit quite comfortably in the top 10 at most clubs for midfield rotation.
 

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Hosking-Elliot, De Goey, Stephenson.

Their trick isn't pace so much as it's weight of numbers and always having one or two extra players of quality that the opposition cannot cover. They might not have the greatest quality - although Pendlebury, Sidebottom aren't bad at all - but their worst mids would sit quite comfortably in the top 10 at most clubs for midfield rotation.
Collingwood certainly do have quality...pendles, sidebottom, treloar and beams is an elite midfield and prob best starting 4 mids in the comp on paper.

Then they can rotate guys like Adams, greenwood in a negating role, varcoe, de goey, Phillips etc who are good players as the support cast.
 

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Collingwood certainly do have quality...pendles, sidebottom, treloar and beams is an elite midfield and prob best starting 4 mids in the comp on paper.
Then they can rotate guys like Adams, greenwood in a negating role, varcoe, de goey, Phillips etc who are good players as the support cast.
I don't wish to do a count, but I dare say we beat them at stoppages on Monday and may well do so again.

It's the link up play that allow their midfield so many possessions and I feel Cripps with 25 odd was a lot more damaging than Treloar's 40 or Pendlebury's 35 odd. Sidebottom was though a lot more impactful, running into the right spaces, time and again.
 

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I don't wish to do a count, but I dare say we beat them at stoppages on Monday and may well do so again.

It's the link up play that allow their midfield so many possessions and I feel Cripps with 25 odd was a lot more damaging than Treloar's 40 or Pendlebury's 35 odd. Sidebottom was though a lot more impactful, running into the right spaces, time and again.
Only jlt but our stoppage work looks excellent so far...great signs. Yes we beat both essendon and collingwood in stoppages.

Pendles' output isn't what it once was still a good player though not a star anymore.

I'd say treloar, sidebottom and beams are very impactful players with typically meaningful possessions...they run all day, big metres gained and are goal kicking mids.
 

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Only jlt but our stoppage work looks excellent so far...great signs. Yes we beat both essendon and collingwood in stoppages.

Pendles' output isn't what it once was still a good player though not a star anymore.

I'd say treloar, sidebottom and beams are very impactful players with typically meaningful possessions...they run all day, big metres gained and are goal kicking mids.
I think so.

Cripps killing it.
SPS has been class, getting first hands to the ball regularly
Dow has just been pile-driven into the ground, time after time. :) Some of his bursts out of packs is what we'll be seeing aa lot more of, soon enough.
Setterfield also coming on beautifully and making things look easier than they would be for most.

Fisher has been the poorest to date from my perspective, but we know how good he is and will be, when he gets to the fall of the ball.
Then there's Kennedy.....and Walsh....and all being well, Stocker.
I notice Cuningham also had a few run throughs for a change of pace.

There's a nice balance starting to take shape. I really like it and it could ll go belly-up tomorrow.....but that's not going to happen.
This is the foundation of a very strong midfield and the oldest is Cripps, who will turn 24 in a few days time. So young
 

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I think so.

Cripps killing it.
SPS has been class, getting first hands to the ball regularly
Dow has just been pile-driven into the ground, time after time. :) Some of his bursts out of packs is what we'll be seeing aa lot more of, soon enough.
Setterfield also coming on beautifully and making things look easier than they would be for most.

Fisher has been the poorest to date from my perspective, but we know how good he is and will be, when he gets to the fall of the ball.
Then there's Kennedy.....and Walsh....and all being well, Stocker.
I notice Cuningham also had a few run throughs for a change of pace.

There's a nice balance starting to take shape. I really like it and it could ll go belly-up tomorrow.....but that's not going to happen.
This is the foundation of a very strong midfield and the oldest is Cripps, who will turn 24 in a few days time. So young
Yep, liked Cuningham for the odd rotation.

Unassuming sort of player, but when the others can get the ball to him he has a knack for shrugging contact and finding some space.

Got a really good feeling about the lad this season.
 

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Hosking-Elliot, De Goey, Stephenson.

Their trick isn't pace so much as it's weight of numbers and always having one or two extra players of quality that the opposition cannot cover. They might not have the greatest quality - although Pendlebury, Sidebottom aren't bad at all - but their worst mids would sit quite comfortably in the top 10 at most clubs for midfield rotation.
They're ok I guess
 

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned before but did anyone notice Cripps coming out of the contest with a little more zip than normal? Example in last few moments of the last quarter coming from a Centre square stoppage and hitting Curnow lace out. Legs and arms were pumping and looked that bit quicker.
 

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I think so.

Cripps killing it.
SPS has been class, getting first hands to the ball regularly
Dow has just been pile-driven into the ground, time after time. :) Some of his bursts out of packs is what we'll be seeing aa lot more of, soon enough.
Setterfield also coming on beautifully and making things look easier than they would be for most.

Fisher has been the poorest to date from my perspective, but we know how good he is and will be, when he gets to the fall of the ball.
Then there's Kennedy.....and Walsh....and all being well, Stocker.
I notice Cuningham also had a few run throughs for a change of pace.

There's a nice balance starting to take shape. I really like it and it could ll go belly-up tomorrow.....but that's not going to happen.
This is the foundation of a very strong midfield and the oldest is Cripps, who will turn 24 in a few days time. So young[/QUOTE


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Not sure if it’s been mentioned before but did anyone notice Cripps coming out of the contest with a little more zip than normal? Example in last few moments of the last quarter coming from a Centre square stoppage and hitting Curnow lace out. Legs and arms were pumping and looked that bit quicker.
Looks like he has finally completely grown into his body.

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He also knows he can bulldoze anyone in his way. Literally no-one can stop him one-on-one, unless he's gang tackled. I'd be petrified if I saw him running at me.
I watched Stringer nullify him in JLT1, but he can't run with him all day. He's not invincible.

A defensively positioned ruck and a tagger over 190 and 88 could systematically crunch him if he got out of control.
 

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned before but did anyone notice Cripps coming out of the contest with a little more zip than normal? Example in last few moments of the last quarter coming from a Centre square stoppage and hitting Curnow lace out. Legs and arms were pumping and looked that bit quicker.
He isn't 'slow' that is a myth perpetuated on here, but in 2019 he is a lot fitter and has time to get over any niggles he had in 2018 - he'll get them back again soon enough carrying passengers who aren't really up to on ball duties because of lack of size and inexperience.
 
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I think its more a case of the centre square being empty. Makes them all look quick because they get a chance to run instead of being ridden to the ground.
We can say that the 6-6-6 is really putting the game back a little bit to how it should be, and is an indictment on two decades of coaches that created such a mess.
 

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I think its more a case of the centre square being empty. Makes them all look quick because they get a chance to run instead of being ridden to the ground.
We can say that the 6-6-6 is really putting the game back a little bit to how it should be, and is an indictment on two decades of coaches that created such a mess.
Nahh I've seen him run live a fair bit - he isn't slow for his size - but he isn't a particularly 'pretty' runner thats for sure - eg Fyfe is much more a natural runner - but Cripps manages to 'get there' and he is one of the better one on one players in AFL.

Teams that have stacked their sides with fast two way runners as part of a smothering system - are either going to restructure OR ask their players to run even harder for longer - especially on larger grounds. I doubt coaches are going to just lay down and roll over if their sides cant match the other in clearances - they will ask for faster players to run into square ...wont work but they will try eg Sydney's home ground is tiny arc pretty much overlaps centre square.

There is a limit to how much players can be pushed and I think Carlton's investment in a lot of talls is going to pay dividends as they come on to being AFL players - especially if our playmakers like SPS/Fisher/Walsh can learn to lower their eyes and hit targets.
 
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Nahh I've seen him run live a fair bit - he isn't slow for his size - but he isn't a particularly 'pretty' runner thats for sure - eg Fyfe is much more a natural runner - but Cripps manages to 'get there' and he is one of the better one on one players in AFL.

Teams that have stacked their sides with fast two way runners as part of a smothering system - are either going to restructure OR ask their players to run even harder for longer - especially on larger grounds. I doubt coaches are going to just lay down and roll over if their sides cant match the other in clearances - they will ask for faster players to run into square ...wont work but they will try eg Sydney's home ground is tiny arc pretty much overlaps centre square.

There is a limit to how much players can be pushed and I think Carlton's investment in a lot of talls is going to pay dividends as they come on to being AFL players - especially if our playmakers like SPS/Fisher/Walsh can learn to lower their eyes and hit targets.
Oh I wasnt saying Cripps isnt quick..on the contrary. But I think the empty square gives the impression he ..(and others)...is quicker suddenly when its something that has been a steady year to year improvement.
 

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More likely that he's 4 kilos lighter than last year without losing any of his strength, and more focused in his training set.
Looks like he has put on some size compared to last season. I also understand that stripping down gives off the illusion of looking bigger.

But I don't think that is the case with Jacob.

Has he stated that he has lost 4 kilos?

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Looks like he has put on some size compared to last season. I also understand that stripping down gives off the illusion of looking bigger.

But I don't think that is the case with Jacob.

Has he stated that he has lost 4 kilos?

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That comes down to visceral fat levels and how stocked glycogen stores were prior to this diet change. Cripps has absolutely lost weight, though the four is my estimate.

It'd be 2.5 kgs minimum, but on top of that he's also visibly leaner in terms of superficial fat stores.
 

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That comes down to visceral fat levels and how stocked glycogen stores were prior to this diet change. Cripps has absolutely lost weight, though the four is my estimate.

It'd be 2.5 kgs minimum, but on top of that he's also visibly leaner in terms of superficial fat stores.
How are my visceral fat levels looking?
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That comes down to visceral fat levels and how stocked glycogen stores were prior to this diet change. Cripps has absolutely lost weight, though the four is my estimate.

It'd be 2.5 kgs minimum, but on top of that he's also visibly leaner in terms of superficial fat stores.
That's all you have for me after 15 hrs of googling? A bit disappointed.

I'd hedge my bets he's put on 2-3 kg's of muscle and stripped back some fat. *fat is 16x lighter than muscle (per square inch? Stretching my memory back to 1995 and what I was told by a PT when I 1st joined a gym).

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