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Jodie Sizer for President

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Leviathan Pie said:
I would say if she wasn't of Indigenous descent we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Feels like a knee-jerk reaction to me.

But, there's always a but, if she is genuinely the right person based on experience & vision for the broader football club, then by all means.
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Isn't footy club president structured to be a figure head role anyway. Its a part time voluntary position that doesn't meet with the board very often. Eddie's wanted his finger in everything, so we view it as massive, but we just need someone who helps with cultural change by saying the right things publicly and privately and not dumb stuff against the change we are looking for. Someone who can make sure accountability occurs and someone who doesn't meddle in everything and let's the ceo and those below them run the footy club without being a spanner in the works.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
I studied 'Power in Australian Society' for a semester in 2nd year politics at Monash in 1972. The lecturer and tutor was John Playford, son of long serving SA premier Thomas Playford. John was a Marxist, his father extremely conservative.

John's theory on Australian politics and society was that it was dominated disproportionately by 6 private schools (5 in Melbourne, the other I think being Sydney Grammar) and 52 families. The details and figures for his theory and book were sourced from entries in Who's Who. The 6 private schools were attended by over 50% of Australian politicians and public service heads. Some of those people when they moved on became company directors and advisors, hence spreading and perpetuating the conservative values established by their upbringing and education. Meanwhile, members of the 52 families intermarried and their numbers and influence at the top spread.

John had long curly afro-shaped hair, smoked incessantly with the cigarette half way down his mouth and stared at the top right hand corner of the lecture theatre as he spoke. If you wished to go under the radar as a student, the prime spots in his lectures were the front seats or anywhere along the left side. There were 2 nuns in my tutorial and one obviously suffered from asthma, but JP smoked away in an airless room oblivious to her coughing and gagging for air and never required any of us to do anything other than listen to him.

You may be right. I cannot with absolute surety recall the schools - I think Melbourne, Scotch, Sydney Grammar, Wesley, Geelong Grammar and one other in Melbourne. Xavier? St Kevins? Somewhere else? I guess I am stretching the theory by assuming the figures remained the same in the latter half of the 70s. I was also never totally convinced that your baseline figures could be reliably sourced from Who's Who.
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At a guess, in terms of public service, the definite dominant 4 in Vic historically in Vic would have been "Grammar" (Geelong Grammar), "School" (Melbourne), Scotch, and Wesley. They were the original informal APS which would have included the first game of footy. Then Xavier came in 1900 with Geelong College in about 1908 (I think - but they were around well before that).

My little line was that of the original 6 in the APS, there is one school that has had a disproportionately large contribution to, say, Supreme Court judges, but certainly not as much in public service/politics. No prizes for guessing which one and why.

NB. The other 5 APS schools (Brighton, Caulfield, Hailebury, Carey and St.Kevins) didn't enter until about 1958. The first 4 were in the AGS and jumped ship to compete against better resourced schools. St.Kevins was certainly the smallest at that time and stayed that way for a long time. But things have changed.
 
Part of being president is being able to land sponsorship deals, corporate boxes etc. She seems to have no business connections at all.

My mind has gone blank but the guy who wrote the review is the front runner. He is a billionaire, well connected and nearly challenged Eddie but was sated with the review process. He is also heavily invested in social causes.
 

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sr36 said:
Isn't footy club president structured to be a figure head role anyway. Its a part time voluntary position that doesn't meet with the board very often. Eddie's wanted his finger in everything, so we view it as massive, but we just need someone who helps with cultural change by saying the right things publicly and privately and not dumb stuff against the change we are looking for. Someone who can make sure accountability occurs and someone who doesn't meddle in everything and let's the ceo and those below them run the footy club without being a spanner in the works.
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That's exactly what we need, I don't know if Jodie is the one for the job but whoever it is, they need to act just as you explained
 
sr36 said:
I try to live my life by the motto WWMD - What would Mark do?

I didn't think Mark would have a go at someone by insinuating homosexuallity. Looks like I get to re-include homophobic slurs into my reportoire of acceptable insults.
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Now now, you know cousin Mark hasn't been quite right lately.
 
sr36 said:
Isn't footy club president structured to be a figure head role anyway. Its a part time voluntary position that doesn't meet with the board very often. Eddie's wanted his finger in everything, so we view it as massive, but we just need someone who helps with cultural change by saying the right things publicly and privately and not dumb stuff against the change we are looking for. Someone who can make sure accountability occurs and someone who doesn't meddle in everything and let's the ceo and those below them run the footy club without being a spanner in the works.
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There is a bit more to it than that. The Presidents have a fair bit of interaction with the AFL - fighting for their Clubs interests, etc. Then there is the sponsor interaction. Keep in mind the role they have to play at every game, especially home matches.

In terms of the AFL, story goes Kennett was the most effective president in dealing with the AFL. Would go into a meeting, listen then distill down to the key issue and get things sorted. Minimal footy knowledge, but a star meeting performer.
 
sideswipe said:
There is a bit more to it than that. The Presidents have a fair bit of interaction with the AFL - fighting for their Clubs interests, etc. Then there is the sponsor interaction. Keep in mind the role they have to play at every game, especially home matches.

In terms of the AFL, story goes Kennett was the most effective president in dealing with the AFL. Would go into a meeting, listen then distill down to the key issue and get things sorted. Minimal footy knowledge, but a star meeting performer.
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Yes I'm definitely underestimating the role and I doubt we'll find anyone who will be able to match the financial pull with sponsors that imagine Ed would have had (somewhat tempered by his gaffes and brand damage) or his ability over the years to push various agendas in the media.

I'm no doubt biased by my own experiences in the very different education industry, where I struggle to see positive contributions made from the board level, other than not getting in the way and allowing those who really know the business and work it in every day make the positive changes that are appropriate or not make the when they're not appropriate.
 
Firstly I'd like Ed to step down as President immediately. Him staying in the job does us no favours in the long run.

I'd like to see Peter Murphy step up to be President. We still need a strong leader on the board with good business sense (we need someone who can engage with sponsors) and I think he fits the bill. Whether he has the time and inclination is another matter.

I would elevate Jodie Sizer as Vice President - I don't think we need to heap pressure on her, but give her an increased status on the board and let her take charge of leading the club in terms of indigenous affairs.

I would further increase the board by 1 more person if that was allowed under the constitution and bring a recently retired indigenous player representative onto the board. My view is this role would work along side of Jodie to help deliver meaningful change. Maybe an unpopular choice but Adam Goodes or someone of his ilk might be worth considering. There maybe other candidates but I would like someone from outside of the Collingwood bubble to help here.

We need to ensure we provide a safe and happy place for indigenous players - I want our club to be seen as the Club to be at for indigenous players.

Go PIES
 
I get where people are coming from but to me, the opinion pendulum has swung too far. A lot of the stuff being posted seems more kneejerk reaction.

I'm happy for Sizer to be elevated to the role of President... IF she's the best person for the job. From the outside looking in I see Murphy and Holgate as both being better candidates.

I don't see the need to expand the board to include an ex-pies indigenous player. We already have Sizer and can invite Debby Lovett or Daniel Wells to participate if the agenda merits.

I don't see the need for Ed to immediately step down. He has been overwhelmingly more good than bad for the CFC. People fixate on his occasional gaff, but seriously, they don't negate all the good he's done.

In terms of the "Do Better" report recommendations, I'd have thought we're already a long way along addressing many of them. The club needs to articulate better it's current position and the strategies they will put in place to complete that journey.

People seem to be getting caught up in the minutia of the recommendations. The following 2 seemingly playing large in that.

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Having an employment strategy that values diversity isn't about setting quotas. It's about looking to proactively develop the skills and expertise of POC so that they are able to compete on merit. Be that through promotion of tertiary education or mentorships and suchlike. It doesn't preclude the club picking the best person for the job, just enables POC the capacity to compete. Lots of organisations have similar policies. I'm not aware of too many that have experienced significant growth in the employment of aboriginals.

The RAP has already established a strong external panel, many of whom would could contribute strongly or fit the bill to assume roles on the "Expert Group on Anti-Racism. Members of that expert panel can also contribute at board meetings if the agenda merits it. If you were looking to expand the board, perhaps people from that panel could rotate through as firstly a means to ensure the board is on track, and secondly, to enhance the skills and understanding for those individuals on the machinations of the board.
 
sr36 said:
Yes I'm definitely underestimating the role and I doubt we'll find anyone who will be able to match the financial pull with sponsors that imagine Ed would have had (somewhat tempered by his gaffes and brand damage) or his ability over the years to push various agendas in the media.
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I dont understand the financial pull, other than Ed being with Fox and the radio station. I suppose those links mean that the sponsor might get extra bang for their buck. In some respects having Eddie on your side might mean more promotion for a sponsor.... but on the flip side, there's a lot of people who hate Eddie and I sometimes wonder if a sponsor really wants to be linked to a polarising president in charge of a polarising club.
 
Markfs said:
I said this earlier in the week. I've seen a few people say the same thing in the threads.

Jodie Sizer is a Djab Wurrung/Gunditjmara woman, a founding partner and Co-CEO of PricewaterhouseCoopers Indigenous Consulting, a Board member of Collingwood Football Club and chair of the club’s Reconciliation Action Plan (RAP) sub-committee. Jodie has worked with tertiary institutions, governments, sports codes and major businesses in creating meaningful change for Aboriginal people.

At first glance, it would seem to be a knee-jerk reaction to the report. It is not. While Jodie coming on board would be an advantage in that area, the main reason I would like to see her as president is for other reasons.

1. She is not a football expert. Each year, I've got successively more weary of Eddie McGuire's fingers being in all the pies....unfortunate use of phrase there. It seems that the coach has benefited from devolving responsibility to his assistant coaches, but Eddie has continued to want input into the club across the board. As she said at the press conference, she is looking to learn but it's obvious that she's going to leave the experts to the football decision-making.

2. She is a communicator. She speaks as a pragmatist and she speaks with the experience of dealing with people who might have different opinions. I think a communicator is more required than the usual businessman that normally fronts a club.

3. She is not in the media. An obvious criteria for the next president. If we've learnt anything .....

4. Like Eddie she's representative of our core DNA. It was a big factor in why Eddie was voted in 20 years ago and it still holds true.

5. She will completely change the narrative.

The next 12 months gives her an opportunity as an interim president. I hope Eddie asks her to take over before the start of the season. There will be a lot of people who wont want to see Eddie go unless he is 100% genuine in wanting to turn the page. If he's not on board, it's not worth leaving port on this one. We'll just have to ride it out until the end of the year
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The moment I read her recommendation to recruit more indigenous players she lost any credibility she may have had. She also wanted more indigenous coaches. What if there are none with the qualities required? Do we appoint them on the basis of their skin colour? If her attitude toward solving the issue is as simplistic and ridiculous as that I shudder to think what other ideas she may bring to light in her role as president.
 

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domus said:
The moment I read her recommendation to recruit more indigenous players she lost any credibility she may have had. She also wanted more indigenous coaches. What if there are none with the qualities required? Do we appoint them on the basis of their skin colour? If her attitude toward solving the issue is as simplistic and ridiculous as that I shudder to think what other ideas she may bring to light in her role as president.
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Well we’re at zero Indigenous players, so recruiting more shouldn’t be too hard.
 
domus said:
The moment I read her recommendation to recruit more indigenous players she lost any credibility she may have had. She also wanted more indigenous coaches. What if there are none with the qualities required? Do we appoint them on the basis of their skin colour? If her attitude toward solving the issue is as simplistic and ridiculous as that I shudder to think what other ideas she may bring to light in her role as president.
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Well you are always good with your what if scenarios. Currently, she is acting as a member of a board and she is advocating for certain things. I would hope that a board doesnt make decisions about players and coaches - other than to act on recommendations by the football people. I'm not sure if that has happened in the past.

I would hope that she might be president in a more decentralised collective decision-making structure rather than the eddie knows best structure that we've seen in the last 2 decades.

The other point is that I was suggesting her as an interim president until the next election. I would hope that we will have elections in the future where members can vote and have some say in the club. Obviously, you're one of those who felt more secure with Eddie running the club as he sees fit.
 
Markfs said:
Well you are always good with your what if scenarios. Currently, she is acting as a member of a board and she is advocating for certain things. I would hope that a board doesnt make decisions about players and coaches - other than to act on recommendations by the football people. I'm not sure if that has happened in the past.

I would hope that she might be president in a more decentralised collective decision-making structure rather than the eddie knows best structure that we've seen in the last 2 decades.

The other point is that I was suggesting her as an interim president until the next election. I would hope that we will have elections in the future where members can vote and have some say in the club. Obviously, you're one of those who felt more secure with Eddie running the club as he sees fit.
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Mark, I can't think of anything more disingenuous and tokenistic than appointing an indigenous woman to the role after this furor. It would be seen as just that, even if she was the best choice for president. I have wanted Eddie gone for years, but not like this.
 
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jmac70 said:
Well we’re at zero Indigenous players, so recruiting more shouldn’t be too hard.
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Do you think we have deliberately avoided indigenous players who we could have recruited because they are black? If not, why make your comment? Perhaps the club looks at players as individuals with skill sets not their racial identity when selecting players in the draft. I believe we nominated two indigenous players in this years draft but failed to get them.
 
domus said:
Do you think we have deliberately avoided indigenous players who we could have recruited because they are black? If not, why make your comment? Perhaps the club looks at players as individuals with skill sets not their racial identity when selecting players in the draft. I believe we nominated two indigenous players in this years draft but failed to get them.
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Just pointing out that it won’t be hard to get to 1.
 

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Personally I'm not automatically on board with appointing Jodie as president.

We need to have an open and transparent process for this hiring of our next president as well as a review of the composition of our board (especially with Alex's time also being up) and middle-to-upper management positions, with a focus on competence and ability to perform the various roles within the club, not just a knee-jerk reaction to the now-public report on racism.

We need the right people to take on this role (and a number of other roles) and if, in the case of the presidency, Jodie comes out of what should be an exhaustive process as the best candidate (and she is willing to take on what will be a very taxing role, even without the issues around the racism report handing over the new president's head) then I'd of course welcome her with open arms, but I would be wary of making any snap decision just because she appears to be the "right fit" or a potentially "popular" choice under the current circumstances.
 
sideswipe said:
Reckon one of those “original” schools would have been down compared to the others.


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I shared a flat at Whistler CA with Tom Playford a grandson. My dad went to Xavs Burke hall as a 5 yo, then GGS Corio after and I did also
FWIW in the 50s Geelong Grammar had all of Packer, Murdoch and John Fairfax attending, so much for media concentration from one school.
 
partypie said:
Personally I'm not automatically on board with appointing Jodie as president.

We need to have an open and transparent process for this hiring of our next president as well as a review of the composition of our board (especially with Alex's time also being up) and middle-to-upper management positions, with a focus on competence and ability to perform the various roles within the club, not just a knee-jerk reaction to the now-public report on racism.

We need the right people to take on this role (and a number of other roles) and if, in the case of the presidency, Jodie comes out of what should be an exhaustive process as the best candidate (and she is willing to take on what will be a very taxing role, even without the issues around the racism report handing over the new president's head) then I'd of course welcome her with open arms, but I would be wary of making any snap decision just because she appears to be the "right fit" or a potentially "popular" choice under the current circumstances.
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we could always have an election...
 
domus said:
Mark, I can't think of anything more disingenuous and tokenistic than appointing an indigenous woman to the role after this furor. It would be seen as just that, even if she was the best choice for president. I have wanted Eddie gone for years, but not like this.
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well i beg to differ. i've seen financial advisers, bankers, real estate brokers and the rest of those boring drunk bozos get positions on boards right across the AFL because they know someone or they can do a good deal on a loan or some real estate for the rest of the board...

for the life of me, I cant understand why they are on boards.

in the last week, i hear all this crap about getting the best people etc etc bullshit etc. Absolute hogwash crap.

earlier in the week i decided to see what the other clubs had and being a good perth boy, I looked at the eagles and found a real estate agent is the chairman. SOmeone in real estate. enuf said.
 

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