Free Agency Joe Daniher [RFA to Brisbane for 1st round compensation pick]

[Lore]

New year, new thread. I'm sure this one will be explosive.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Currently injured and seems like the dons medical staff have shipped him off to Ireland to deal with it

how many games can we expect from joe and where will he be next year?

 

[HirdyLannister]

Currently injured and seems like the dons medical staff have shipped him off to Ireland to deal with it

how many games can we expect from joe and where will he be next year?

25 games will be realistic

 

[Harro59]

Hasn't started well with his injuries and it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

 

[TheKITC]

Currently injured and seems like the dons medical staff have shipped him off to Ireland to deal with it

how many games can we expect from joe and where will he be next year?

The way their medical staff treats him, expect him to miss maybe the first couple of rounds then be put on the park under-done and played for the rest of the year through pain. 18-20 games.

 

[owen87]

Currently injured and seems like the dons medical staff have shipped him off to Ireland to deal with it

how many games can we expect from joe and where will he be next year?

Optimistically would be a managed 16-18. I think they’ll be very low key about progress updates given his trade request and keeping media attention to a minimum.

If he’s on the park consistently I think he’s more likely to stay, if he’s not then likely he’ll go.

The way their medical staff treats him, expect him to miss maybe the first couple of rounds then be put on the park under-done and played for the rest of the year through pain. 18-20 games.

Nothing about this is likely.

 

[TheKITC]

Nothing about this is likely.

Would have said the same thing if someone told me that Daniher would return from over 12 months out with groin and calf injuries without any match fitness and then be backed up, was it 5 or 6 days later? But hey... at least he got a couple of games in before the OP re-emerged.

Gross negligence.

 

[owen87]

Would have said the same thing if someone told me that Daniher would return from over 12 months out with groin and calf injuries without any match fitness and then be backed up, was it 5 or 6 days later? But hey... at least he got a couple of games in before the OP re-emerged.

Gross negligence.

Which makes the aforementioned scenario of him being mismanaged again significantly less likely I'd have thought? Also consider that pretty much our entire fitness department has been replaced.

Oddly enough he performed quite well on ANZAC Day and didn't look at all hindered, suggesting that he really was right to go.

Bit rich to claim gross negligence when Daniher himself looked for all intents and purposes fine, and clearly had no objections to playing.

 

[TheKITC]

Which makes the aforementioned scenario of him being mismanaged again significantly less likely I'd have thought? Also consider that pretty much our entire fitness department has been replaced.

Oddly enough he performed quite well on ANZAC Day and didn't look at all hindered, suggesting that he really was right to go.

Bit rich to claim gross negligence when Daniher himself looked for all intents and purposes fine, and clearly had no objections to playing.

I don't mean to lump you in based on who you support, but that is a classic Essendon supporter response; head in the sand-defend club at all costs, the same way some still defend the supplement saga and Hird.

In one breath you doth protest it wasn't gross negligence and on the other you are saying the 'whole department has been replaced' like the aren't causally linked. Every man and his dog knew that it was stupid to back him up so quick, even the lemmings in the media were questioning it. Of course Daniher himself had no objections to playing, you don't know much about pro athletes if you think that is a marker for judging whether someone is right to play or not. There's (normally) a very good reason why medical and fitness staff have the final say. Essendon's cocked this up massively and it would be naive to think it's not a big part of the reason Joe wants out of the club.

 

[owen87]

I don't mean to lump you in based on who you support, but that is a classic Essendon supporter response; head in the sand-defend club at all costs, the same way some still defend the supplement saga and Hird.

In one breath you doth protest it wasn't gross negligence and on the other you are saying the 'whole department has been replaced' like the aren't causally linked. Every man and his dog knew that it was stupid to back him up so quick, even the lemmings in the media were questioning it. Of course Daniher himself had no objections to playing, you don't know much about pro athletes if you think that is a marker for judging whether someone is right to play or not. There's (normally) a very good reason why medical and fitness staff have the final say. Essendon's cocked this up massively and it would be naive to think it's not a big part of the reason Joe wants out of the club.

Of course there's only absolute extremes and not possibly a middle area to this scenario.

 

[Wayne Swan]

So what is the latest on JD's recovery, the real story not some BS?

 

[TheKITC]

Of course there's only absolute extremes and not possibly a middle area to this scenario.

Causally linked does mean contributed to, not the whole reason so it's hardly an 'absolute extreme' to suggest one thing has to do with the other. The whole AFL landscape raised eyebrows and plenty were rightfully critical of the handling of Joe medically by the Bombers. A huge utensil up that cannot be justified by 'he played well on Anzac day so he must have been right' if you ask me.

Essendon have strong form of negligence to their players. Would not surprise me one iota if Joe is getting a 2nd medical opinion external to the clubs view.

 

[Lore]

So what is the latest on JD's recovery, the real story not some BS?

He started running in November and then stopped again to do more strength work or whatever. Went back to see his specialist in Ireland last week.

They're not saying a whole lot else about it.

Updates on Daniher, Hibberd

The latest injury updates on Joe Daniher and Mitch Hibberd.

www.essendonfc.com.au

 

[Pykie]

This is a no win situation for both Essendon and Danniher.

If he's injured for 2020, he's going to get a drastically reduced contract than what he was looking at in 2019. 3 years out is certainly a tipping point.

Essendon by extension get s**t compensation.


Sydney basically dodge a massive contract bullet and will get him on a discount as a FA probably more in line with his worth because of the injuries.

 

[TazHawk15]

So what is the latest on JD's recovery, the real story not some BS?

The real story is he is dead.

 

[Ambrosia]

Causally linked does mean contributed to, not the whole reason so it's hardly an 'absolute extreme' to suggest one thing has to do with the other. The whole AFL landscape raised eyebrows and plenty were rightfully critical of the handling of Joe medically by the Bombers. A huge utensil up that cannot be justified by 'he played well on Anzac day so he must have been right' if you ask me.

Essendon have strong form of negligence to their players. Would not surprise me one iota if Joe is getting a 2nd medical opinion external to the clubs view.

You’re no wear near as informed on the Daniher situation as you make out

 

[briztoon]

You’re no wear near as informed on the Daniher situation as you make out

This post implies you are???

 

[TheKITC]

You’re no wear near as informed on the Daniher situation as you make out

Feel free to engage in conversation pointing out what I have said that is off the mark. Or are you simply attempting to (poorly) deflect and discredit by making a broad statement of "nah uh"?

 

[Ambrosia]

Feel free to engage in conversation pointing out what I have said that is off the mark. Or are you simply attempting to (poorly) deflect and discredit by making a broad statement of "nah uh"?

Deflect or discredit? You haven’t actually said anything of substance.

Essendon may have mismanaged Daniher’s OP recovery but it’s a difficult thing to manage. No one at Essendon or in the Daniher camp blames the short break for the ANZAC game for the flare up.

 

[TheKITC]

Deflect or discredit? You haven’t actually said anything of substance.

In your opinion. I think I've made my points pretty clear, if you'd like to quote them and have a specific conversation I'm happy to engage. Other than that you seem a bit upset that I've been critical of your club and that's about it...

Essendon may have mismanaged Daniher’s OP recovery but it’s a difficult thing to manage. No one at Essendon or in the Daniher camp blames the short break for the ANZAC game for the flare up.

I know it is difficult, as I have suffered it. That doesn't make Essendon's medical team immune from criticism. When I heard that he was going to back up 5 days later after more than 12 months off I thought it was a ruse. It was total mismanagement regardless of any pain or symptoms Joe may have been exhibiting IMO and in the opinion of many others, given the nature of OP. OP is an 'overuse' injury. It doesn't take a genius to work out that he shouldn't have played and I defy anyone to disagree with facts or any medical proof tbh.

Of course no one at Essendon publicly blames the short break. You think they are going to come out and admit fault, leaving themselves open for a myriad of problems? Another poster reported basically their whole medical department has been overhauled in the off-season. Reckon it is hardly coincidental if that is the case.

Multiple reports exist about how unhappy 'the Daniher camp' were with his medical treatment at Essendon and it's only because you seem desperate to defend your club that you've stated that as a fact that they are cool with it. A 2 second google search shows reports from Dwayne Russel and Tom Morris stating in print, the exact opposite of what you protest. Media speculation and discussion on shows like 360 and Footy Classified etc. raised it as well. Joe asked for a trade 6 months later, in contract.

Sorry, but I'm just not buying what you say.

 

[Ambrosia]

In your opinion. I think I've made my points pretty clear, if you'd like to quote them and have a specific conversation I'm happy to engage. Other than that you seem a bit upset that I've been critical of your club and that's about it...



I know it is difficult, as I have suffered it. That doesn't make Essendon's medical team immune from criticism. When I heard that he was going to back up 5 days later after more than 12 months off I thought it was a ruse. It was total mismanagement regardless of any pain or symptoms Joe may have been exhibiting IMO and in the opinion of many others, given the nature of OP. OP is an 'overuse' injury. It doesn't take a genius to work out that he shouldn't have played and I defy anyone to disagree with facts or any medical proof tbh.

Of course no one at Essendon publicly blames the short break. You think they are going to come out and admit fault, leaving themselves open for a myriad of problems? Another poster reported basically their whole medical department has been overhauled in the off-season. Reckon it is hardly coincidental if that is the case.

Multiple reports exist about how unhappy 'the Daniher camp' were with his medical treatment at Essendon and it's only because you seem desperate to defend your club that you've stated that as a fact that they are cool with it. A 2 second google search shows reports from Dwayne Russel and Tom Morris stating in print, the exact opposite of what you protest. Media speculation and discussion on shows like 360 and Footy Classified etc. raised it as well. Joe asked for a trade 6 months later, in contract.

Sorry, but I'm just not buying what you say.

Cmon man your original contention was Essendon will play Daniher through pain for 18 games which has no factual basis.

No where did I say Daniher wasn’t unhappy with the medical treatment or that Essendon hadn’t made mistakes handling his recovery.

I said that no one close to the situation sees the short Anzac Day turn around as a contributing factor to his OP flare up/reoccurrence. Despite you claiming it as a “huge utensil up” and “Gross negligence”

 

[briztoon]

I said that no one close to the situation sees the short Anzac Day turn around as a contributing factor to his OP flare up/reoccurrence.

How can you prove this?

The club is extremely unlikely to admit this, and use standard marketing practices to manage the commentary around this.

Daniher’s camp is unlikely to say anything, especially as long as he remains an Essendon player.

I’m not sure if Essendons doctors have commented on this, but in most instances, specialists rarely publicly comment to protect themselves.

 

[Ambrosia]

How can you prove this?

The club is extremely unlikely to admit this, and use standard marketing practices to manage the commentary around this.

Daniher’s camp is unlikely to say anything, especially as long as he remains an Essendon player.

I’m not sure if Essendons doctors have commented on this, but in most instances, specialists rarely publicly comment to protect themselves.

Why do I have to prove anything? I’m not the one claiming Essendon was “Grossly negligent” based on rudimentary knowledge of OP

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

This is a no win situation for both Essendon and Danniher.

If he's injured for 2020, he's going to get a drastically reduced contract than what he was looking at in 2019. 3 years out is certainly a tipping point.

Essendon by extension get s**t compensation.


Sydney basically dodge a massive contract bullet and will get him on a discount as a FA probably more in line with his worth because of the injuries.

Even if Sydney manage to get him cheap i doubt he'll play many games his groins are cooked and has hardly played for 2 and a bit years.

 

[TheKITC]

Cmon man your original contention was Essendon will play Daniher through pain for 18 games which has no factual basis.

Clearly (maybe not so) that was a tongue in cheek dig at Essendon's medical practices and department (as a club on whole really) as they have strong form in being negligent to their players.

No where did I say Daniher wasn’t unhappy with the medical treatment or that Essendon hadn’t made mistakes handling his recovery.

You stated as fact that no one blames the short break after ANZAC day (which is purely conjecture on your behalf) and I countered with evidence and reasoning that makes me think that the Daniher camp does indeed blame Essendon for their mishandling of him medically, including that short break. I sure do, as uneducated as my medical opinion may be.

As the other poster concisely points out, you will get no verbatim quote from either party because of legal reasons, optics and because one of the interested parties is currently employed by the other. What you do have though is proven media sources reporting Daniher being unhappy with the situation and subsequently requesting a trade whilst in contract.

I said that no one close to the situation sees the short Anzac Day turn around as a contributing factor to his OP flare up/reoccurrence. Despite you claiming it as a “huge utensil up” and “Gross negligence”

I stand by that it is both of those things and quite frankly, you're doing nothing to change my mind on the matter. For the record, you are in the minority with your opinion on this and also have a dog in the fight being an Essendon supporter.