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The good thing about Butch is that he seems to be able to take strong marks from a standing jump (in addition to on the lead). This should mean that he is taking shots from relatively close to goal.
 
Very excited by his future. One part of his game I loved was a play when he went up for a mark, couldn't take it but got hands on the ball and brought it to ground then immediately shepherded the ball for the crumber to run on and score. Great attitude and foresight. And his second efforts and chase are something I think Hamish Hartlett could take note of
 
Bresh said:
Is he chance for the rising star nom this week? Haven't followed the performances of other youngsters.
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My guess would be Dahlhaus would be ahead of him, the nominators tend to reward consistency at this time of the year and Dahlhaus has been good for a while and managed 2 goals from 19 touches on the weekend. Butcher's sure to get one at some stage next year though if he doesn't get one this year.
 
Was at the game and Butcher looked brilliant.

He was easily our best forward on the day and took a couple of fantastic marks as well as working harder than almost anyone on the team. He had two defenders on him whenever he played deep so had a hard time, and he would have had another goal if it wasn't for Jacobs kicking it to schulz (Butcher was on his own in the pocket!!)

Really, really excited about this bloke.

Oh and I will add that:
1. It was the most one sided umpiring display I've ever seen yesterday (not worst).
2. Butcher got particularly r*ped by the umpires, which shat me up the wall. Couldn't believe they would treat a first gamer like that - though Jacobs has received similar treatment IIRC.
 

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The umpiring was poor but we were also so ill disciplined. Trengove gave away 3 high tackles inside 50 IIRC? The constant holds on their forwards when leading, our defenders need to be smarter and more switched on
 
My issue is that anything that was at all 50-50 went their way, which is very very frustrating to watch.
 
Lurk3r said:
Was at the game and Butcher looked brilliant......
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He looked competent. But that was much more than I expected, and relative to most of the rest of our team 'competent' is high praise.

Ford Fairlane said:
Poor ol' Powerstufff he could've picked 21 other players to lambast for an expected performance today and been on the money....
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Hey the only commentary I've made on Butcher is that he was cr*p at SANFL level, and he was. I didn't launch into any 'he will fail' tirades when he was picked for this game, though I certainly expected it

Port_Adelaide said:
A disgrace we waited this long to debut him.
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Not based on his effort/success with the Port Magpies. This was a pick in hope that paid off, not someone burning up the SANFL. 'tribey' commented on other similar selections that paid off earlier in this thread.

PJ Power said:
Having only been able to watch his stat count remain unchanged for long periods of games on the sanfl website this year, I was excited but sceptical about what Butcher could provide or achieve today......
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Yep, did much better than we could have expected.
 
Powerstufff said:
He looked competent. But that was much more than I expected, and relative to most of the rest of our team 'competent' is high praise.
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I know you were at the game as well, so you would have seen how many defenders he had on him. There were a million reasons why Butcher couldn't have had a full on impact, and I agree he wasn't amazing. But he surpassed my expectations by such a huge margin that I couldn't possibly fault him.

His set shot didn't look great, and he needs a little bit more size and some better positioning on occasion but a couple of those marks were beyond brilliant, and his workrate, and second efforts were fantastic.

I remember our forward line at one point was Hitchcock, Schulz, Westhoff, and Butcher and all I could think is that if they were all John Butchers our score would have been at least twice as high as it was.
 
Lurk3r said:
.... There were a million reasons why Butcher couldn't have had a full on impact, and I agree he wasn't amazing. But he surpassed my expectations by such a huge margin that I couldn't possibly fault him.

His set shot didn't look great, and he needs a little bit more size and some better positioning on occasion but a couple of those marks were beyond brilliant, and his workrate, and second efforts were fantastic......
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I agree with all of that. And his effectiveness wasn't a one-off 10 min spell either, he played at what for him is his most effective level, for 100% of his ground time.
 
Lurk3r said:
Was at the game and Butcher looked brilliant.

He was easily our best forward on the day and took a couple of fantastic marks as well as working harder than almost anyone on the team. He had two defenders on him whenever he played deep so had a hard time, and he would have had another goal if it wasn't for Jacobs kicking it to schulz (Butcher was on his own in the pocket!!)

Really, really excited about this bloke.

Oh and I will add that:
1. It was the most one sided umpiring display I've ever seen yesterday (not worst).
2. Butcher got particularly r*ped by the umpires, which shat me up the wall. Couldn't believe they would treat a first gamer like that - though Jacobs has received similar treatment IIRC.
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Agreed. I was at the game. The umpiring was particularly bad. Some of the most one-sided umpiring I've seen. It was unnecessary. We were getting slaughtered, yet the umpires were paying non-existent frees in their forward 50 and ignoring ones in ours. Disgraceful.
 
Lurk3r said:
I know you were at the game as well, so you would have seen how many defenders he had on him. There were a million reasons why Butcher couldn't have had a full on impact, and I agree he wasn't amazing. But he surpassed my expectations by such a huge margin that I couldn't possibly fault him.

His set shot didn't look great, and he needs a little bit more size and some better positioning on occasion but a couple of those marks were beyond brilliant, and his workrate, and second efforts were fantastic.

I remember our forward line at one point was Hitchcock, Schulz, Westhoff, and Butcher and all I could think is that if they were all John Butchers our score would have been at least twice as high as it was.
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The reason he had so many defenders on him is entirely the fault of our players. I was at the game, and he was for the most part our solitary true forward. No other players made an effort to run forward and draw the extra defender when we had the ball. That's been an issue for us all year.

On the flip side, when we didn't have the ball, none of our midfielders knows how to pick up a player and force pressure. At one point, I saw Robbie gray defending on the wing in a 2 on 1 contest. He left his man who was 30 meters from the ball carrier, making it easy for him to pass to a team mate.

It's an elementary principle that the ball moves faster in the air than when it is carried. Leaving your man up field to get to the ball carrier means the opposition can move it upfield faster through an unconstested possession. Stick to your man, and force the man with the ball to run it upfield. That at least gives the rest of the team time to move back and defend. As it is, we get absolutely destroyed on transition like this.

This isn't entirely Robbie's fault though, he should have had help.

Our midfielders have no clue. They keep running off a player to fill a gap and opening a bigger one.
 
I agree SwampRat. I think a lot of our players are often very poorly positioned. I was thinking about us bringing the ball out of defence and how "stagnant" our players looked as they weren't creating leads etc.

The facts were though that they simply had no where to lead because they hadn't created space for eachother by either all going backwards then leading forwards, or running to the centre of the ground and back out to the wing, or to the wing and back to the centre etc. In the end they all just end up aroundabouts on the wing and we kick to the inevitable pack that forms there which doesn't really work out.
 

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SwampRat said:
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It's an elementary principle that the ball moves faster in the air than when it is carried. Leaving your man up field to get to the ball carrier means the opposition can move it upfield faster through an unconstested possession. Stick to your man, and force the man with the ball to run it upfield. That at least gives the rest of the team time to move back and defend. As it is, we get absolutely destroyed on transition like this.

This isn't entirely Robbie's fault though...
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Nope it isn't. It is a team rule.

If an opposition player is running forward with the ball, with none of our team mates near him, the nearest player in front of him is expected to leave his man and apply frontal defensive pressure on that ball carrier.

The idea is that it forces the opposition to make another disposal, which brings a chance it will be a poor disposal and that one of your team-mates should then cover your man. It can work in some situations, but IMO it shouldn't be the standard play. Collingwood might do it well because their defenders are older, bigger, faster and wiser... and they can rotate and cover well.

Ours... is a different story.:rolleyes:
 
kaysee said:
Nope it isn't. It is a team rule.

If an opposition player is running forward with the ball, with none of our team mates near him, the nearest player in front of him is expected to leave his man and apply frontal defensive pressure on that ball carrier.

The idea is that it forces the opposition to make another disposal, which brings a chance it will be a poor disposal and that one of your team-mates should then cover your man. It can work in some situations, but IMO it shouldn't be the standard play. Collingwood might do it well because their defenders are older, bigger, faster and wiser... and they can rotate and cover well.

Ours... is a different story.:rolleyes:
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I don't think there's anything at the football that annoys me more than when we do this. Primus has no ****ing idea.
 
Going to be quite a queue outside Rohde's office after Mad Monday.

John Butcher says he's been well looked after by @PAFC, but wants to wait until the end of the season to talk contracts
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If butcher leaves, Day must become #1 priority during trade week
 

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I'm just amazed we can't throw these guys enough money to keep them here. Who is taking up all our salary cap?
 
If Butcher leaves???

we have stuck with him and developed him so why leave when things are at there hardest..how about repaying us

It is a normal cycle to bottom out ..imagine being a carlton player in those 4 wooden spoons under Pagan?

we have enough talent to go back up again and hopefully Butch will want to be part of this exciting future
 
I swore draftees were on 3 year base deals, jeez don't even want to think about it.

Can't really blame the club for not having something for him to consider as yet, only debuted last week.
 
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