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Yea fair point all just jealious we should deal with freo they have never had a problem trading with us i thought we handled the tarrant deal very well we know we cant deal with brisbane because of that big slob and port wont deal with us
 
Did's Dodgy Knee said:
On a more serious note, don't you all remember that no-one wants to do trades with us unless we put a topline player on the table in the first place. Other clubs would rather see us rot in hell than give us what we need to fill in the gaps we have.
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That is just a BS excuse. If we offer someone a club wants they will deal every bit as much as they would with any other club. If we offer someone we will delist anyway and there is little interest in we will get squat. Blaming others or crying hard done by leads to mediocrity.
 
MarkT said:
That is just a BS excuse. If we offer someone a club wants they will deal every bit as much as they would with any other club. If we offer someone we will delist anyway and there is little interest in we will get squat. Blaming others or crying hard done by leads to mediocrity.
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You're a bit harsh in your judgement Mark.

I'm looking at this with the rose coloured glasses off.

I still find it hard to remember a successful draft of the calibre being required here without going back a lot of years.

Oh yeah... Have you forgotten about how willing Essendon were to deal with us a few years ago? That's right, the fax just didn't work did it?
 
Just because Meesen hasn't got a game doesn't mean he won't still be a star of the future it just means we can't have any confidence from seeing signs at afl level. Rucks take longer to develop and be afl ready we all know that. From reports Meesen is a body on body type ruckmen and as this requires the AFL build frame kids in this mould take longer to ruck well at senior level. His attitude was apparentally poor to start of with but apparentally is a lot better now. It's also been sugested that he is terribly homesick.

New club- Last chance at making it at AFL level-Loads of talent and the lack of the "homesick" distraction. Worth the risk IMO Greg Swan certainly thinks so and is trying to get him down to Carlton
 

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Don't know what Meeeson is like but for an unknown i would not trade Rusling who has shown a bit more than Meeson.
Listen guys we don't need an upstart ruckman we need an established big bodied gorilla.
If Charman decides to leave Brisbane and believe me it's on the cards he very well ,go,especially if his girlfriend has anything to do with it plus he has achieved everything at brisabne so we should go hell for leather for him or another option if we can't get charman is that whispers from the west are that Seaby is not happy playing second string ruck to cox.So althougfh not as good as Charman,Seaby has a big body quite athletic and would be a good partner with josh,he can also play forward.
So maybe a Rusling for a charman or seaby i'd go for,or rumour has it that depends what happens this year,Leon Davis may want to go back home if so davis for seaby.Any thoughts ?
 
daics cousin said:
Don't know what Meeeson is like but for an unknown i would not trade Rusling who has shown a bit more than Meeson.
Listen guys we don't need an upstart ruckman we need an established big bodied gorilla.
If Charman decides to leave Brisbane and believe me it's on the cards he very well ,go,especially if his girlfriend has anything to do with it plus he has achieved everything at brisabne so we should go hell for leather for him or another option if we can't get charman is that whispers from the west are that Seaby is not happy playing second string ruck to cox.So althougfh not as good as Charman,Seaby has a big body quite athletic and would be a good partner with josh,he can also play forward.
So maybe a Rusling for a charman or seaby i'd go for,or rumour has it that depends what happens this year,Leon Davis may want to go back home if so davis for seaby.Any thoughts ?
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Rusling will not get either Charman or Seaby

Rusling has not done much at AFL level

Rusling is not vital to the structure or an irreplacable player

A 21/22 year old ruckmen ready to start playing AFL would be fine, in reality it would mean that he was at the peake in his playing ability at around the same time the kids are fully developed

On top of that it's not exactly about who has shown more or who will be better with both kids not established at afl level no one knows. It's about we need a ruck they need fowards both these players have similar values as if Meese ends up as good as they thought he would he will be better. But Rusling has played afl and shown signs that he is up to the level
 
iv heard the davis romour also i think its going to be hard to get charman from brisbane its its worth a shot but seaby seems the realistic shot defintly give wc davis for seaby i like davis i know he does bring alot to our team but so would a RUCKMAN and hopefully with seaby we wouldnt lose any picks with charman i think we would lose picks probaley a 1st round which i would give for charman but that does hurt us considering we need midfielders
 
Did's Dodgy Knee said:
Oh yeah... Have you forgotten about how willing Essendon were to deal with us a few years ago? That's right, the fax just didn't work did it?
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They traded for Cole. WCE traded Morrison to us and previously Williams. Sydney traded Rocca and Licuria to us and traded for Schauble, Williams and Davis. If we have something they want they will trade. Port didn’t trade Stevens. That was more to do with them than us, although the fact it was us didn’t help. If we haven't got trades over the line it is because we have been lacking not because we are not liked.
 
BEEG said:
if Meeson and number 8 pick cant get a game at adleaide he must not be very good adelaide have an ok ruck but if he hasnt been able to break thrue he must be preety average
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Hang on, Meesen was drafted before the 2005 season, one year before Thomas and Pendles. We all know rucks take a while to develop, we've given Guy Richards 7 seasons for crying out loud. Meesen has also had serious injuries, and he's got Biglands, Hudson, Maric, Griffin and Tippett to deal with, in addition to the well-documented homesickness.

I think it's more than reasonable to expect some improvement out of him. Maybe he's not going to be the ultimate solution, but he'll be reasonably priced and has some serious talent. He's certainly worth a shot IMHO.

Seaby won't be leaving West Coast IMHO, nor will Charman be leaving the Lions. If we're going to be talking pie-in-the-sky stuff, Cameron Wood is the best option going around and he's probably a 1% chance of coming to Collingwood.

No question we have to draft a quality ruck prospect or two, but they cannot be considered a solution to our ruck problem for at least another two years, such is the nature of rucking at AFL level.
 
Didak Plus Rusling to Adelaide for Maric and Crows 1st pick in the draft. Do it now!!!!
 
Meesen has been named in the 25 for the game against the Dogs this week, but will almost certainly play as Maric and Griffin have been omitted.

Anyone who has Foxtel, let me know what your impressions are. :thumbsu:
 
ChipDouglas said:
A very very poor mans Josh Fraser. Athletic, good around the ground and can go forward and kick a goal. Hopeless at center bounces and throw ins, lacks strength and doesn't play physical. Maric doesn't have his skills but has mongrel and is not afraid to mix it up with players with bigger reputations and he can get his hands on the ball in ruck duels. In short we'll be after a Maric type player to back up Josh.
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i would have meeson if that is the case. i'll give you the mail hitouts are the most over rated stat in football. we don't need a matty clarke ruckman 25 hitouts no stats
 

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The Royal Sampler said:
Meesen has been named in the 25 for the game against the Dogs this week, but will almost certainly play as Maric and Griffin have been omitted.

Anyone who has Foxtel, let me know what your impressions are. :thumbsu:
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I'll have a look and let you know what I think.
 
yazdo said:
Didak Plus Rusling to Adelaide for Maric and Crows 1st pick in the draft. Do it now!!!!
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Horrible trade from our point of view. Maric is as "unestablished" at AFL level as Rusling and a mid level 1st round pick in this draft isn't particularly desirable.
 
Ok Sampler.

He didn't get much time on the ground which was disappointing. From what I saw, he lopes around the ground. Bit of a strange running style, but he isn't slow.

His leap is rather good when in the centre bounce, but he didn't get a crack at many. When I saw him in there he won, or made a contest, and his taps wern't bad.

Sorry but that's all I can get out of today's game, as he wasn't amongst it much.

From my point of view, with some experience behind him, there is enough to work with.
 
Meyer is as good a Meeson and a darn lot better than Richards and Bryan.
 

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didaka said:
Ok Sampler.

He didn't get much time on the ground which was disappointing. From what I saw, he lopes around the ground. Bit of a strange running style, but he isn't slow.

His leap is rather good when in the centre bounce, but he didn't get a crack at many. When I saw him in there he won, or made a contest, and his taps wern't bad.

Sorry but that's all I can get out of today's game, as he wasn't amongst it much.

From my point of view, with some experience behind him, there is enough to work with.
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Thanks didaka. :thumbsu:

I watched the live plays on afl.com.au, but it didn't give the TOG. The guys on the Adelaide board (the ones that didn't flame me) reckon he had about 35% TOG, which is bugger-all.

Hard to gain much from that, but it probably didn't do his trade value any good.

Meyer I watched on Saturday and again today on tape, and much as I like him, I just can't see him making the step to AFL. He's very hard at it, good skills (loved that horizontal mark!), but he's not all that tall for an AFL ruckman, and he's very lean.
 
nick_savo said:
Meesen didnt do much tonight for Adelaide, 1 Kick, 1 Handball and 3 hitouts
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That's true mate, but his TOG wasn't excessive. From what I saw, he has a bit to work with. I would welcome him to Collingwood.
 
The Royal Sampler said:
Thanks didaka. :thumbsu:

I watched the live plays on afl.com.au, but it didn't give the TOG. The guys on the Adelaide board (the ones that didn't flame me) reckon he had about 35% TOG, which is bugger-all.

Hard to gain much from that, but it probably didn't do his trade value any good.

Meyer I watched on Saturday and again today on tape, and much as I like him, I just can't see him making the step to AFL. He's very hard at it, good skills (loved that horizontal mark!), but he's not all that tall for an AFL ruckman, and he's very lean.
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Yep very little time. Which was understandable due to the fact the Bulldogs were in it all night, and Hudson took the load.

He probably saw less than 20 mins of play. But I like the way he moves around the ground. He is the type of player that won't happen overnight, but will happen. Like McIntosh. If anyone remembers his first game it was ordinary.:thumbsd:

Hudson played a blinder by the way.
 
Yeah, the Adelaide BF's are now agreeing on about 20 mins. Hudson is in my SC team, so it's not all bad. ;)

... although I have the week off this week.
 
He looks athletic. Seemed to have reasonable pace and agility. Hard to come to any conclusions for or against on that performance, though.
 

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