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My biggest problem with Clark is consistency. One minute he looks like a world beater the next he's like Johnson.

Wouldn't mind him at Freo and yes he's better than Kep up forward but not at the cost that it would take to get him.

Whatever happens I'm happy with what the club does, they've been very good over the last 3 years compared to any previous years.
 
Is Josh Kennedy on 600k a year?
Kennedy will end up kicking 60 plus goals this year, and still missed some games.
Lets just throw 600k at him and see what happens, the only thing in common with these two is that they both played for the Sharks.
 
Moo said:
Firstly separate price and my comments - I do not advocate trading our 1st round draft pick....I am hoping it comes largely on the back of players we are sending out.
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Open market price for Clark is what we paid for Tarrant and probably more. Reasonably young, mobile ruckman, who has proven he can hold down the number one ruck position for a season and done well at it. The top value a club like Richmond would pay for him is around a player + 1st round pick.

For the position Clark plays he would come into the side as an upgrade on Griffin. To me, that means his value to us is essentially Griffin + a player (either Duffield or Palmer). That is well below open market value, but that is the correct price we should be paying for him.

The only way the open market price for him would meet our needs is if he is a 40+ goal a year key forward. But he isn't that, and it is highly unlikely he ever will be.

You can't separate price from your comments - they are inevitably linked in the discussion.

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The fact Clark wants to move weakens Brisbanes hand immediately.
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Like it did with Des?
 

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Of course you can separate price and player.

Step 1 is do we want him, is he a fit and is he an upgrade/ missing piece?

Step 2 is what do we need to give to get and how much is he to be paid and how that fits into our salary cap.

We have posters here who don't see MC as an upgrade on Kep or Griffin - if that is the case....I at least understand why they don't want.

However if you think he is an upgrade - I can't understand invoking DES and Taz.

Des wanted to come home, there was competition between the 2 teams in the state he was going to and we had idiots handling the negotiations. Taz we had to throw the farm at as he did not want to come.

Clark is not comparable IMH&CO. GWS mean if Clark wants out - he can always cash in and head to GWS ...Brisb will get crap compo compared to his worth. This could motivate them to deal with a 3rd party i.e. us.

If we don't get MC - we are not screwed totally. So he looks like he wants to go, we are one team he wouldn't mind landing at, we are going to have a few chips on the table (1st round, 2nd round, Palmer* pick, Griffin* pick and a few players who we would trade).

Got to be in it, Brisb will want a lot for Clark ...does not mean we have to pay it.
 
Seriously wouldn't geive more than a 2nd rounder. They don't accept it and Mitch wants to come home, that's their bad luck.

He's not dominant enough, has not shown enough apart from 1 decent year.
At least Tarrant had been a force.

With our first pick or the compo pick we have the ability to really set ourselves up.

If we take Kersten or McInnes, there's our KPP player for the next 10 years hopefully.
The Compo pick either goes for O'Meara or gives us 2 first round picks next year: another ball winning mid and a KPP out of the super draft.

Mitch has not shown enough to warrant giving that up
 
Its interesting that when Johnson points, its not a sign that he has just woken up or that he is extremely interested.

This is completely the opposite of my own experience. ;)
 
Clay Davis said:
Nah, you can't. That's Schwab thinking there. As dom said, the Land A BIg Fish At Any Price Handbook
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Just because you keep saying it Clay - don't make it true.

My way - look at all available targets, compare with list needs and make an offer based on that analysis

Your way - don't trade as the price of anyone good will be too much or Player X is no good.

My guess is a professional club would be following approach A.

I wouldn't throw round 1 up, I would without hesitation throw up a combo of 2nd round, Griffin or Palmer compo and a MJ.

Before I am met with you can't just offer crap - well yes you can. If Brisb lose MC they will need some semblance of another tall ...enter MJ. Plus this is Voss we are talking about - their list has significant salary cap pressures.

In my view it does not need to be the greatest offer just a better one than GWS will offer.
 
Moo said:
Just because you keep saying it Clay - don't make it true.

My way - look at all available targets, compare with list needs and make an offer based on that analysis

Your way - don't trade as the price of anyone good will be too much or Player X is no good.

My guess is a professional club would be following approach A.

I wouldn't throw round 1 up, I would without hesitation throw up a combo of 2nd round, Griffin or Palmer compo and a MJ.

Before I am met with you can't just offer crap - well yes you can. If Brisb lose MC they will need some semblance of another tall ...enter MJ. Plus this is Voss we are talking about - their list has significant salary cap pressures.

In my view it does not need to be the greatest offer just a better one than GWS will offer.
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Yes, but what you're talking about is a fanciful Bigfooty trade getting it done

There is no way Clark will come to us unless we pay over what his actual value is to us.

Floating Griffin + Palmer is sensible for us. It isn't sensible for what Brisbane could get on the open market. You post that anywhere else but here and you'd be laughed out of town.

I also don't see the point in trading out the compo pick in what is rated a superdraft next year. That would be a step backwards for the club.
 
Clay Davis said:
Yes, but what you're talking about is a fanciful Bigfooty trade getting it done

There is no way Clark will come to us unless we pay over what his actual value is to us.

Floating Griffin + Palmer is sensible for us. It isn't sensible for what Brisbane could get on the open market. You post that anywhere else but here and you'd be laughed out of town.

I also don't see the point in trading out the compo pick in what is rated a superdraft next year. That would be a step backwards for the club.
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So if he threatens to sign with GWS if not traded home, which will be for an end of 1st round compo pick ....you do not think Brisb would be working their arse off to get an offer from Freo on the table.

If the above is the case - I think we could cobble an offer together that meets that. I'd be far, far more worried as to his view on salary.

Also if MC goes, Brisb's key position stocks up forward are thread bare. We have at least one set of steak knives to send the otherway which helps them immediately.
 
Moo said:
So if he threatens to sign with GWS if not traded home, which will be for an end of 1st round compo pick ....you do not think Brisb would be working their arse off to get an offer from Freo on the table.

If the above is the case - I think we could cobble an offer together that meets that. I'd be far, far more worried as to his view on salary.

Also if MC goes, Brisb's key position stocks up forward are thread bare. We have at least one set of steak knives to send the otherway which helps them immediately.
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If GWS is on the table, why not Richmond or Port? Why is it threaten to sign with GWS vs go home to Freo - what is in it for him?
 

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Clay Davis said:
If GWS is on the table, why not Richmond or Port? Why is it threaten to sign with GWS vs go home to Freo - what is in it for him?
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GWS - significant upgrade in $'s
Freo - home & upgrade in $'s
Brisb - status quo & upgrade in $'s

The only 3 clubs I hear at the momento in regards to MC.

My guess is he will stay as Brisb upgrade their offer.

GWS are rumoured to have come to terms with an uncontracted Lion ...that may make life more difficult if true.
 
Seppo said:
Luke Power says hi
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Cheers Sep.

He was my first thought - however as he has retired, I was not sure whether he counted.

Is this the Mal Michael clause?
 
Moo said:
Cheers Sep.

He was my first thought - however as he has retired, I was not sure whether he counted.

Is this the Mal Michael clause?
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Yes. Brisbane retain the right to the Power and Fevola contracts until they finish. Compensation picks for both.
 

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Tayl0r said:
Yes. Brisbane retain the right to the Power and Fevola contracts until they finish. Compensation picks for both.
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Cheers.
 

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