Remove this Banner Ad

Rumour Jon Patton

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Just a reminder not to cross the line, BF does have rules we all abide by regarding mental health issues and unacceptable comments and jokes. Feel free to discuss any topic reasonably but please think before you post.
And please stick to the topic only.
Thanks.
 
Last edited:
Woody Woodman said:
If that is your take then you probably need to reconsider your career. I don't know how long you have been teaching but subscribing to the "mental health card" is the most dangerous game that you will play. You will encounter students, colleagues and parents who have masked their depression with all kinds of behaviours before finally reaching a crisis, if you take the time to observe and listen. Perceptions of playing the mental health card has very quickly pushed those who have tried to keep their sh** together back into a place where they feel maligned.
Click to expand...

Not a teacher anymore but I took students mental health very seriously when I was. No 5 to 12 year old would ever fake a mental illness so I never had to worry about that. It was all about spotting depression at that age because kids will try and hide it.

I only reported an issue once as a 11 year old girl made a few comments to me that indicated she might be depressed. I told the head teacher about it and she was going to follow up on it. No idea what happened after that.
 
RUNVS said:
Yep. It is funny how this "depression" only suddenly comes to the forefront when they have been caught doing something horrible.

I have a lot more sympathy for a man like Danny Frawley, who was genuinely battling with depression for decades. What happened to Frawley was tragic, and people like Patton trying to use what happened to Frawley and others like him to gain some sympathy for himself makes me angry.
Click to expand...
Dont know why you choose to compare him to Frawley, there are all types of mental illnesses with varying degrees of severity. I cant believe you diminish that he may have mental health issues regardless of how much a criminal or creep he is.

It is said that he is in Hospital being treated for mental illness. It did not specify depression.

Do you think being outed as a sexual deviant and having your career decimated would not bring on mental health issues.

You seem to be stuck with a stereotype of what a mental illness is (they are not always depressive Alone and can be mutiples of depressive and other mental health issues.)

The guy has messed up , he will lose his job, lost his self esteem and may yet face criminal action .
Think it is fair to say he has a mental illness which needs treatment.
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

RUNVS said:
Is there any evidence though of depressed people being more likely to commit crimes? I personally doubt it but I am happy to be proven wrong.
Click to expand...
Mental health issues takes so many different forms not just the obvious deep dark depression. Also “crimes” is a very broad term and their are lots of different types of crimes. He could hate himself, have low self esteem etc. Or he may just be a bit of a pervert who’s behavior has gone unchecked for so long and almost become normal for him. There’s no black and white answer that I think you’re looking for. Again I’m not condoning it but I wouldn’t just say he’s faking depression either regardless of whether he’s claiming he was depressed before, during or after.
 
RUNVS said:
Is there any evidence though of depressed people being more likely to commit crimes? I personally doubt it but I am happy to be proven wrong.
Click to expand...
Still not sure if depression is this guys problem but Depressive illness is well documented as being prevalent with violent crime.
Also, manic behaviour which a lot of sexual deviance come under are prevalent with higher rates of criminality.
Google depressed people and crime, endless reading there for you.
 
RUNVS said:
Not a teacher anymore but I took students mental health very seriously when I was. No 5 to 12 year old would ever fake a mental illness so I never had to worry about that. It was all about spotting depression at that age because kids will try and hide it.

I only reported an issue once as a 11 year old girl made a few comments to me that indicated she might be depressed. I told the head teacher about it and she was going to follow up on it. No idea what happened after that.
Click to expand...
So how many colleagues and parents did you miss? You were an expert on depression in primary kids. As I head back into another year of uncertainty working with young, I wish that I had your wisdom. I also have to support those parents who can't get out of bed to support their kids but can have "adult" relationships because that's where their validation lies. Knowledge without wisdom is trivia.
 
Woody Woodman said:
I'd suggest that the real question is, why wasn't he blocked? Schools have been teaching this for up to ten years. In a perfect world we shouldn't have to lock our cars or doors. Under no circumstances am I defending the behaviour but unlike what happens on the streets, there are many ways to avoid being an online victim beyond initial contact. There's an old saying that curiosity killed the cat, it seems to have been replaced by FOMO. Hence this thread and my involvement!
Click to expand...
So people should just ignore and not report it then. And what happens if he does it to 20, 30, 40 women, and then it escalates to younger girls or to something more harmful, because noone ever said anything so nothing was done to stop him.

Ignoring things has never, ever, made something stop happening.
 
He may well have mental health issues, and I hope that he gets better. But what frustrates me is when that gets used as an excuse for his behavior, further adding stigma to those who are suffering. There are plenty of men with depression and/or anxiety who haven't sexually harassed women.
 
either way, he has been caught and then he proceeds to be hospitalised for treatment. On its face, the onset of this twit being found out and the realisation of the potential repercussions to follow for his own dim witted actions has caused him to be hospitalised. Betting man says he’d still be sending lewd messages if he hadn’t been founded out. No sympathy. DH has blown a chance of continuing a career doing what many others dream of doing.
 
Slartibartfast said:
Still not sure if depression is this guys problem but Depressive illness is well documented as being prevalent with violent crime.
Also, manic behaviour which a lot of sexual deviance come under are prevalent with higher rates of criminality.
Google depressed people and crime, endless reading there for you.
Click to expand...

I am pretty sure if you subtract the people with psychosis then people with mental illness (especially those with depression) are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the perpetrators of it.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

freddy mercury said:
I tell you what, faking a metal illness is a big disrespectful slap in the face for people who are suffering from it and people who have recovered from it. Honestly more needs to be done to stop it. I dont buy it for a second, nobody does, but now he is going to be treated like he is suffering, when its a lie, a genuine lie. What a campaigner.
Click to expand...
He may or may not have a mental illness, I wouldnt know.

Its not unreasonable to suggest that the recent pressure, attention and scrutiny he has come under fearing for his job (mind you he put it on himself) has put him in an acute phase of a mental crisis.

You'd hope he's not/ the club is not faking it to divert the attention or yes that's a slap in the face for everyone.
 
AnEmptyChair said:
He may well have mental health issues, and I hope that he gets better. But what frustrates me is when that gets used as an excuse for his behavior, further adding stigma to those who are suffering. There are plenty of men with depression and/or anxiety who haven't sexually harassed women.
Click to expand...
dont think it is being used as an excuse at all. He is just acknowledging he has an issue.
 
Slartibartfast said:
dont think it is being used as an excuse at all. He is just acknowledging he has an issue.
Click to expand...
Oh, it probably wasn't clear, but I didn't mean that he was. I mean, in general when it gets used as an excuse for sexual harassment, or violence, or whatever it might be. It further isolates those who suffer as well as creates unrealistic representations of what mental health illnesses are.
 
RUNVS said:
I am pretty sure if you subtract the people with psychosis then people with mental illness (especially those with depression) are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the perpetrators of it.
Click to expand...
People with depressive orders/ mental illness are represented higher in criminal stats Percentage wise that those unaffected.
 
Not sure why there is any doubt he'd be suffering mentally at the moment.

Imagine the incredible embarrassment he'd be experiencing, the disappointment he's now brought to his family and friends, and the dawning realisation his career is now over.

He's footy's version of Louis CK (although to be fair to the great man his masturbating was technically consensual), except instead of being taken out while he's on top, he's going to be delisted as low-IQ, injury-prone fringe player who is going to struggle to get work once his career is done, which it looks all but certain to be.

Surely we all kind of knew he was a dopey campaigner when he abused one of the Hawk's medicos, or when he took those weird, catty potshots at outgoing GWS players (irony). He's always been an overwrought, entitled prick who was lucky enough to be born tall, athletic and good at kicking a Sherrin.

All this has transpired through his own wrongdoing, and of course pulling the mental health card is all too common in these circumstances, but I'm certain he's going through personal hell at the moment.
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Slartibartfast said:
People with depressive orders/ mental illness are represented higher in criminal stats Percentage wise that those unaffected.
Click to expand...

I read a few articles in the last 20 minutes or so and from what I read the studies have been very mixed with no clear conclusion. I know 20 minutes of research does not make me an expert, but I don't think the situation is as simple as you claim. I think demonising those with mental health issues, claiming they are more violent and also using Pattons's potential mental health issues as an excuse for him being a predator is something we shouldnt be doing.
 
Last edited:
La Dispute said:
Not sure why there is any doubt he'd be suffering mentally at the moment.

Imagine the incredible embarrassment he'd be experiencing, the disappointment he's now brought to his family and friends, and the dawning realisation his career is now over.

He's footy's version of Louis CK (although to be fair to the great man his masturbating was technically consensual), except instead of being taken out while he's on top, he's going to be delisted as low-IQ, injury-prone fringe player who is going to struggle to get work once his career is done, which it looks all but certain to be.

Surely we all kind of knew he was a dopey campaigner when he abused one of the Hawk's medicos, or when he took those weird, catty potshots at outgoing GWS players (irony). He's always been an overwrought, entitled prick who was lucky enough to be born tall, athletic and good at kicking a Sherrin.

All this has transpired through his own wrongdoing, and of course pulling the mental health card is all too common in these circumstances, but I'm certain he's going through personal hell at the moment.
Click to expand...

and he has been outed as having a foot fetish, something which most people find to be rather gross.

I do think though Patton was on very good money at GWS for a number of years so if he was wise with how he spent his money he may not need a full time job post football career.
 
RUNVS said:
I read a few articles in the last 20 minutes or so and from what I read the studies have been very mixed with no clear conclusion. I know 20 minutes of research does not make me an expert, but I don't think the situation is as simple as you claim. I think demonising those with mental health issues, claiming they are more violent and also using Pattons's potential mental health issues as an excuse for him being a predator is something we should be doing.
Click to expand...
Demonising those with mental health issues, you think that is something we should be doing??? Pathetic :rolleyes:

Who said they are more violent, they report higher in Crime stats.
Who is using it as an excuse, have not heard Paton or anyone here say that. it is just acknowledging a fact.
you seem keen to diminish this.

I cant see how anyone would think that Paton would not have health issues today.
 
StingBitten said:
I guess one thing I'd like to know a bit more about is the depth of conversation had between these ladies.

Only reason being I work in a Government department with over 150 women and about 20 blokes in the building. Recently a young, single male was embroiled in a sexting saga between three women in the office.

At different stages, he reportedly had conversations of a sexual nature with each woman. It was consensual, there was nothing unsolicited and occurred at separate times. The three women found out it had happened and put in complaints of harassment. The dude is being dragged through the mud, is it a reasonable thing to engage in multiple relationships with girls at work? Probably not. But they've formed this vulnerable victim hood mentality that paints the bloke as the aggressor and them and unwitting suspects. On many occasions they initiated contact with him through social media.

I know its much different from the present case, but there's a bit here to indicate that some of these women were involved in consensual sexting, or at least went along with it to a point. He seems like a complete moron but I do believe there's reason to demonstrate some scepticism or allow for multiple possibilities.
Click to expand...

I work in a government department building with about the same number and female to male ratio and there ain’t 3 females I’d ever consider communicating with like that #ifyagetmydrift
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Rumour Jon Patton

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top