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mental health isn’t an excise or copout for serious misconduct. Very convenient timing for mental house. Clarkson should get to hospital and drag the f***er out and get him to face the music. Payton careeris finished but it’s about finishing as a wreck or falling on the sword.
Enabler!!!Might have sold him the phone, I remember seeing Johnno early last year rocking a Nokia 3310, someone upgraded him
From thr sound of things, the AFL's own Charlie SheenThe AFL's own Wilt Chamberlain
Go Hard General GO HARD!
Simpler timesThank fu** I did all this dumb sh*t on the piss before mobile phones and the internet.
You'd get on the squirt, make a dickhead of yourself at a work do, have some questionable interractions with female work colleagues and then Monday have to endure the walk of shame at work along with the silence and icy stares.
You didn't want to do it, but you had to.
By the end of the week you were all friends again.
Thank fu** I did all this dumb sh*t on the piss before mobile phones and the internet.
You'd get on the squirt, make a dickhead of yourself at a work do, have some questionable interractions with female work colleagues and then Monday have to endure the walk of shame at work along with the silence and icy stares.
You didn't want to do it, but you had to.
By the end of the week you were all friends again.
Simpler times
Simpler times
YesSimpler times for men.
#BlameNNMight have sold him the phone, I remember seeing Johnno early last year rocking a Nokia 3310, someone upgraded him
I don't think anyone is excusing him or suggesting that mental health should exempt him from consequences. He should and will face them. Career over, and whatever other punishment is deemed fit. Fair and deserved, irrespective of his current mental state.I find it far too 'çonvenient' for Patton to have mental health issues just after being busted for really sh*t behaviour towards women.
There will always be a chorus of do-gooders wanting to defend him but FFS, this is just a huge cop-out and cover-up. Sure he'll get slapped around behind the scenes and probably have his contract torn up too but this is professional sport and its all about managing the image & reputation as best as they can.
I’ve been trying to write something similar to this and you’ve put it much more eloquently than I could.I don't think anyone is excusing him or suggesting that mental health should exempt him from consequences. He should and will face them. Career over, and whatever other punishment is deemed fit. Fair and deserved, irrespective of his current mental state.
But you understand that the fact that these indiscretions have just come out are far more likely to send someone to the mental depths than if everything is going normal right? The two aren't mutually exclusive.
The fact you give no credence to it because of its "convenience" shows you don't understand the correlation between someone having a rough time (again, completely his fault and not excusable) and underlying mental issues rising to the surface. Point being, its not some miracle coincidence - in fact its highly predictable/would be almost expected given Patton's displayed mental and behavioural shortcomings.
Little bit over flogs who commit a dog act (or many), then claim mental health when they finally feel the shame and embarrassment that rightly came their way.
You realise mental health can be an acute thing right?
The bloke has just watched himself being outed as a sex pest on a national scale, and very likely seeing his high profile career fall apart.
Not a surprise to think he may actually be having a rough time of it.
I don't think anyone is excusing him or suggesting that mental health should exempt him from consequences. He should and will face them. Career over, and whatever other punishment is deemed fit. Fair and deserved, irrespective of his current mental state.
But you understand that the fact that these indiscretions have just come out are far more likely to send someone to the mental depths than if everything is going normal right? The two aren't mutually exclusive.
The fact you give no credence to it because of its "convenience" shows you don't understand the correlation between someone having a rough time (again, completely his fault and not excusable) and underlying mental issues rising to the surface. Point being, its not some miracle coincidence - in fact its highly predictable/would be almost expected given Patton's displayed mental and behavioural shortcomings.
Completely agree.I accept you have a differing view of the situation than me but sorry, I'm not buying it and never will.
Patton is not the first player to play the mental health card and certainly won't be the last because it has been used so often and strategically now that it blurs the lines of who actually is in serious need of help and who doesn't.
The AFL is a huge business these days and they cannot afford to have front page news damning the organisation (the NRL seems to thrive on it), they prefer to manage it with PR consultants and spin doctors instead. The Hawks are known as the 'family club' so their image & reputation is at stake here as well.
If Patton had/has mental health issues, one would have thought they would have surfaced a little earlier in his 27 years of life instead of after being the centre of attention due to lowlife scumbag behaviour.
That's it. it's shame and embarrassment, get back out and into it, cop what's coming your way and move on. The longer you delay it, the harder it will get, people won't forget.
I don't think I ever remember the Canberra Raiders (Monahan?) player citing mental illness for letting a dog lick his utensil while being filmed (he did leave the country), he continued playing in the Super League in England. Who was the high profile NRL player filmed bubbling? I can't even remember his name or hear anything about it. I don't think Garry Lyon really cops any flak over Billy's ex anymore.
And he isn't to blame for it? He sent those pics, he pays the consequence.
Why can’t it be both? Why can’t we think he’s a “scumbag” for his behavior and believe he needs to take responsibility for what he’s done and also accept he may now have a mental health issue albeit brought on by his own actions?I accept you have a differing view of the situation than me but sorry, I'm not buying it and never will.
Patton is not the first player to play the mental health card and certainly won't be the last because it has been used so often and strategically now that it blurs the lines of who actually is in serious need of help and who doesn't.
The AFL is a huge business these days and they cannot afford to have front page news damning the organisation (the NRL seems to thrive on it), they prefer to manage it with PR consultants and spin doctors instead. The Hawks are known as the 'family club' so their image & reputation is at stake here as well.
If Patton had/has mental health issues, one would have thought they would have surfaced a little earlier in his 27 years of life instead of after being the centre of attention due to lowlife scumbag behaviour.
I accept you have a differing view of the situation than me but sorry, I'm not buying it and never will.
Patton is not the first player to play the mental health card and certainly won't be the last because it has been used so often and strategically now that it blurs the lines of who actually is in serious need of help and who doesn't.
The AFL is a huge business these days and they cannot afford to have front page news damning the organisation (the NRL seems to thrive on it), they prefer to manage it with PR consultants and spin doctors instead. The Hawks are known as the 'family club' so their image & reputation is at stake here as well.
If Patton had/has mental health issues, one would have thought they would have surfaced a little earlier in his 27 years of life instead of after being the centre of attention due to lowlife scumbag behaviour.
Thats a completely fair point of view, which I mostly agree with (certainly with the point on clubs/people using it as a PR shield in the past). It's certainly not something that anyone should want creeping into normality.I accept you have a differing view of the situation than me but sorry, I'm not buying it and never will.
Patton is not the first player to play the mental health card and certainly won't be the last because it has been used so often and strategically now that it blurs the lines of who actually is in serious need of help and who doesn't.
The AFL is a huge business these days and they cannot afford to have front page news damning the organisation (the NRL seems to thrive on it), they prefer to manage it with PR consultants and spin doctors instead. The Hawks are known as the 'family club' so their image & reputation is at stake here as well.
If Patton had/has mental health issues, one would have thought they would have surfaced a little earlier in his 27 years of life instead of after being the centre of attention due to lowlife scumbag behaviour.
They may have surfaced and been treated for earlier, we just don't know. It is not something you would generally want people knowing.If Patton had/has mental health issues, one would have thought they would have surfaced a little earlier in his 27 years of life instead of after being the centre of attention due to lowlife scumbag behaviour.