Jon

[davey_23]

Try getting of your fat ass and watching Coburg play to see what all the fuss is about aye ****face.

 

[tigerT]

its not about his injuries and stuff like that because if we didnt pick him up he'd be lucky to go first round

the 2005 draft isnt a very good one but with pick 8 i was expecting better

freo were going to nab him with their first pick from memory they were 2 or 3 picks behind us, he was a certain 1st rounder

 

[roostertalk]

im not going to judge him too early either but if anyone genuinely belives they would rather JON to any one of Clark, Drum, Higgins, Jones, Hurn, Birchall they are being unrealistic.

 

[tigerT]

At this stage fair enough, i still think his upside is enough to warrant his selection if he comes on. Of those mentioned my fav is Birchall, absolute gun

 

[santa claws]

I know Bents, it made me laugh too. He's been in the system one year and already he's been sold to the glue factory.

I dont have an opinion one way or another, but l do know to at least give the kid as much time as anyone else. No different to Meyer for me... he's in his 3rd year and l reckon he'll be a champion, even if he had another average year in 2007.

Give em time.

i agree give him time espacially when you consider how skinny he is.he does have some talent.
the thing is i dont think many people are having a go at jon himself more the risk and pick we used to get him.and the players we overlooked.
why is it rfc doesnt use its early picks on well rounded players who have performed at elite junior levels. jon was taken as a very skinny hbf. he wasnt taken based on any dominance or performance at junior level but on a so called big upside due to his size. he was also taken based on his pace and agility.
as for wce taking jon i have it on good authority they targeted him in the second round.
the eagles were rapt to get hurn a so called big bodied 18yo with no upside because he already had a mature body.

 

[TOA.]

WCE desperatley wanted Pendlebury, we rated him 3rd overall. After him, they rated the group pretty even.

Freo wanted JON.


I see some of your are knocking JON's skills, I am suprised... he was an outstanding kick in junior footy. He never found much of the ball, it was always about quality with Jarad.

 

[tigerT]

WCE desperatley wanted Pendlebury, we rated him 3rd overall. After him, they rated the group pretty even.

Freo wanted JON.


I see some of your are knocking JON's skills, I am suprised... he was an outstanding kick in junior footy. He never found much of the ball, it was always about quality with Jarad.

thought so

 

[PLSC]

yeh i did say he wouldve been lucky to go first round meaning maybe a WA club would get him

but there was no way the dees, dogs and hawks were going to pass up their pickups for jon

this is nothing against the kid i just want rfc to get a solid first round pick and stop looking at potential

i feel sorry for the hard working vic boys who get overlooked for tall pencils from WA and other interstate junior clubs

 

[lids2004roar]

Why would you feel sorry for someone getting picked up at 10 instead of 8?

I see where you're coming from, you want Richmond to target low-risk players who will be solid contributors to their team.

With GM I think we won't be doing that very often.

To get ahead of the other clubs you need high risk = high reward mentality.

Let's say Hurn becomes no better than say Kane Johnson.

JON could never develop the body for AFL and then be a failure, so we lose a Kane Johnson for nothing.

OR, JON could be the next Adam Goodes.

By taking a risk, if GM is right and it pays off, we have effectively traded a Kane Johnson for an Adam Goodes.

In this day and age I'm glad we are taking a different approach to every other club, we will either come out on top of them all, or we'll fail and be on the bottom. At least if we fail we can have another crack at the best talent around, but this is the method we chose and no matter what happens it WILL take years before our "skinny long term prospects" like JON, Meyer, Tambling and Edwards etc actually do anything.

Are they worse than 4 players who are 'ready made'?

At 23 years old I think this group will be better than the "ready made" alternatives.

 

[PLSC]

Why would you feel sorry for someone getting picked up at 10 instead of 8?

I see where you're coming from, you want Richmond to target low-risk players who will be solid contributors to their team.

With GM I think we won't be doing that very often.

To get ahead of the other clubs you need high risk = high reward mentality.

Let's say Hurn becomes no better than say Kane Johnson.

JON could never develop the body for AFL and then be a failure, so we lose a Kane Johnson for nothing.

OR, JON could be the next Adam Goodes.

By taking a risk, if GM is right and it pays off, we have effectively traded a Kane Johnson for an Adam Goodes.

In this day and age I'm glad we are taking a different approach to every other club, we will either come out on top of them all, or we'll fail and be on the bottom. At least if we fail we can have another crack at the best talent around, but this is the method we chose and no matter what happens it WILL take years before our "skinny long term prospects" like JON, Meyer, Tambling and Edwards etc actually do anything.

Are they worse than 4 players who are 'ready made'?

At 23 years old I think this group will be better than the "ready made" alternatives.

you need balance mate

fair enough if they thought jon was a risk worth taking do it but they then could of got a bigger bloke instead of casserly

guys like peterson and edwards if they have the talent take a risk but i feel with the collins selection it HAD to be a big bloke

i just feel we over done it with the pencils

 

[footy4eva]

yeh i did say he wouldve been lucky to go first round meaning maybe a WA club would get him

but there was no way the dees, dogs and hawks were going to pass up their pickups for jon

this is nothing against the kid i just want rfc to get a solid first round pick and stop looking at potential

i feel sorry for the hard working vic boys who get overlooked for tall pencils from WA and other interstate junior clubs

u know so much about everything there is to know about australias young talent. you even somehow know who should have would have wanted tho have etc

now i ask you 1 question, if you know so much about everyones talents and when and where they should have been picked

why the f dont you work at an afl club as a talent scout and director of draft selectors, why are you not top dog of all at a clubs selection table

you know squat, and have no idea. yours posts are full of dribble and the only person u r trying to convince that u actually know something is urself

 

[PLSC]

u know so much about everything there is to know about australias young talent. you even somehow know who should have would have wanted tho have etc

now i ask you 1 question, if you know so much about everyones talents and when and where they should have been picked

why the f dont you work at an afl club as a talent scout and director of draft selectors, why are you not top dog of all at a clubs selection table

you know squat, and have no idea. yours posts are full of dribble and the only person u r trying to convince that u actually know something is urself

i dont suck ****

rules me out of any high positions at afl clubs

i know what i see and this is a forum so if you dont like it you can stick it

 

[Paddles]

Jason Donavon.

 

[santa claws]

Why would you feel sorry for someone getting picked up at 10 instead of 8?

I see where you're coming from, you want Richmond to target low-risk players who will be solid contributors to their team.

With GM I think we won't be doing that very often.

To get ahead of the other clubs you need high risk = high reward mentality.

Let's say Hurn becomes no better than say Kane Johnson.

JON could never develop the body for AFL and then be a failure, so we lose a Kane Johnson for nothing.

OR, JON could be the next Adam Goodes.

By taking a risk, if GM is right and it pays off, we have effectively traded a Kane Johnson for an Adam Goodes.

In this day and age I'm glad we are taking a different approach to every other club, we will either come out on top of them all, or we'll fail and be on the bottom. At least if we fail we can have another crack at the best talent around, but this is the method we chose and no matter what happens it WILL take years before our "skinny long term prospects" like JON, Meyer, Tambling and Edwards etc actually do anything.

Are they worse than 4 players who are 'ready made'?

At 23 years old I think this group will be better than the "ready made" alternatives.

sheesh what a joke.
we have always taken risks with our early picks. either that or traded early picks away or down traded them.because of this we have the worst draft record in the comp sinse the inception of the draft in 1986. and the flow on effect of this has been the fact we have been the worst performed team in the comp since the draft came to be.
i find it very hard to believe that people are so blind and cant see this.
greg miller is in his seventh yr ask yourself where is our list at after 6 yrs and after six yrs where would you expect it to be. god knows what touble we would be in if wallace didnt come to the club and thank christ jackson is taking over millers role.

finally your early picks are your future you should be targeting well rounded players with class who you are pretty certain are going to be around for 10 plus yrs. we are where we are because our early picks in the main have been poor and highly speculative.

 

[lids2004roar]

Players like Tambling are not speculative. They are well rounded. He just isn't a tank.

It takes 3 years or so for players like JON and Tambling to have an impact.

It doesn't mean their impact will be any less than the 'readily built' bigger bodies of the draft. Just wait for their 3 years to be up before expecting much.

 

[PLSC]

we can all wait for jon and the others to get their bodies right doesnt mean they are suddenly going to turn into inside mids with plenty of hardness

 

[Weaver]

we can all wait for jon and the others to get their bodies right doesnt mean they are suddenly going to turn into inside mids with plenty of hardness

We all said that about Shane Tuck too. If anything Tuck was lighter and rawer than any of our pencils when the Hawks rookied him. It took him a long time to get his body right and learn the game. We have a hard inside midfielder now. No reason at all the JON won't follow the same path. He likes to compete, played as a junior ruckman despite his lack of height, and was good at stoppages in the WAFL colts.

 

[SnIcKeRs #3]

great point weaver

 

[FlyingTiger]

u know so much about everything there is to know about australias young talent. you even somehow know who should have would have wanted tho have etc

now i ask you 1 question, if you know so much about everyones talents and when and where they should have been picked

why the f dont you work at an afl club as a talent scout and director of draft selectors, why are you not top dog of all at a clubs selection table

you know squat, and have no idea. yours posts are full of dribble and the only person u r trying to convince that u actually know something is urself

The text message language you use puts you at about 15-16 years old.

Doesn't give you much credibilty either.

 

[PLSC]

We all said that about Shane Tuck too. If anything Tuck was lighter and rawer than any of our pencils when the Hawks rookied him. It took him a long time to get his body right and learn the game. We have a hard inside midfielder now. No reason at all the JON won't follow the same path. He likes to compete, played as a junior ruckman despite his lack of height, and was good at stoppages in the WAFL colts.

shane tuck never has and never will have great disposal he was always a bang and crash inside mid just didnt have the body to go for it

meyer, casserly, jon etc are all good at skills/run so the body will go with it but its not a major factor

guys like foley and polo are more similar to tuck

 

[Weaver]

shane tuck never has and never will have great disposal he was always a bang and crash inside mid just didnt have the body to go for it

Really?? I always saw him as an outside wingman through his junior days.

meyer, casserly, jon etc are all good at skills/run so the body will go with it but its not a major factor

No reason JON can't develop into a centre-square player. The bizzare thing in this is that you insist we need Deledio as a permanent midfielder despite him never having done it in juniors, not have the body for it, and possesing all the skills and class. What makes Deledio a candidate for ruck-rover that precludes JON? Other than they are at different points in thier development?

guys like foley and polo are more similar to tuck

That has only become true in the last 18 months. Prior to that Tuck was a lightly-built, rangey, running player - like JON.

 

[PLSC]

tuck was never going to make it as an outside wingman etc thats my point he has crap skills so he had to wait until his body developed for his best position which is inside midfield

where is deledio's best position on a flank give me a break he is class and belongs in the midfield ok he is a highlight reel and the big possesion games arent there yet but ill take 20 possies and 3 goals resting forward from him anyday gun player

jon will never be an inside mid he might be a good midfielder who can win his own footy but will be a waste in the rought stuff imo

good try though

 

[Crumden]

Not sure what point you're making PLSC. Are you saying we should only ever have blokes with crap skills playing as inside mids and never use skilled players in that role?

 

[PLSC]

im saying it wouldnt hurt to get an extra bigger body or 3 in our midfield, doesnt mean we have to be a slow team but id like a bit of balance instead of looking like a bunch of pencils in the centre

i can wait for some players who need time if i know what they will become but all our kids will be kicking goals of the week and taking 5 bounces while foley and polo will be smashed week in week out unless something happens

so yeh thats what im on about

 

[roostertalk]

im saying it wouldnt hurt to get an extra bigger body or 3 in our midfield, doesnt mean we have to be a slow team but id like a bit of balance instead of looking like a bunch of pencils in the centre

i can wait for some players who need time if i know what they will become but all our kids will be kicking goals of the week and taking 5 bounces while foley and polo will be smashed week in week out unless something happens

so yeh thats what im on about

tend to agree mate, we really could have used somebody like nathan jones who not only was physically ready but had the runs on the board with his form. I think JON may become like a michale johnson at freo which id be pretty happy with, definitely agree we didnt need any more of this sort of player though.