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hey weaver i think you talk out of your arse most times but i give ya respect for writing all that stuff :thumbsu:

also i dont know how you can say miller is not to blame for the current crapness of the side he is after all in charge of list management

gaspar, hall, krakouer, tivendale, jackson, hartigan, moore, knobel, kingsley

these guys are rubbish and should of been gone or never here in the first place, now is it up to wallace to "get the most out of them" or is it millers job to take it on the chin and move them on

i know your going to come back and say some of these guys are in our best 22 and i probably agree to but it still doesnt make it right because with these guys still hanging around RICHMOND IS GOING NOWHERE
 
PLSC said:
also i dont know how you can say miller is not to blame for the current crapness of the side he is after all in charge of list management

gaspar, hall, krakouer, tivendale, jackson, hartigan, moore, knobel, kingsley

these guys are rubbish and should of been gone or never here in the first place, now is it up to wallace to "get the most out of them" or is it millers job to take it on the chin and move them on

i know your going to come back and say some of these guys are in our best 22 and i probably agree to but it still doesnt make it right because with these guys still hanging around RICHMOND IS GOING NOWHERE
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Not sure how you can blame Richmonds list on miller. The coach is responsible for list managment and he has the final say on everything. Frawley is completely to blame for our list. And yes we are still clearing out the trash. But we cannot drop it all at once because we wouldnt have a full list.
 
Weaver said:
A 95% chance of match-winner in Brown or a 5-10% chance of being the club that gets someone at 6 or 21?

Oh just imagine if we had picked Waters and Adcock they cry ... just as likely that we had Willoughby and Schmidt. Then where would we be?
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I'd take Waters and Schmidt.

Brown is a star, Johnson is solid - yes. But they are both 30 yoa odd.

Are we going to win a flag with them in the side? If not, why trade picks for them.

Short term solutions. Long term pain.
 
PLSC said:
also i dont know how you can say miller is not to blame for the current crapness of the side he is after all in charge of list management
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Because he has spent 4 years trying to undo the damage and build a new team from scratch. 4 years is a very short time in list management and player development terms.

You can't just dump everyone and start from sratch with an under-18s team. Miller and Wallace have dumped players when replacements have been available.

Your approach is simply to cut crap players and pray that a kid is good enough to take his place.

The Miller / Wallace approach is to dump crap players once a kid has proven he is good enough.

PLSC said:
gaspar, hall, krakouer, tivendale, jackson, hartigan, moore, knobel, kingsley
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There were even worse players who had to go first.

PLSC said:
these guys are rubbish and should of been gone or never here in the first place, now is it up to wallace to "get the most out of them" or is it millers job to take it on the chin and move them on
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They will be moved on. But it is a marathon not a sprint. When guys claim their spots they will be moved on. But not before.

PLSC you are the guy who wants to tear the wrapping off the XMas presents in June.
 

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JON = Clinton Benjamin.

both are tallish, fast, indiginous flankers - with so/so disposal.

only Clinton is larger in terms of size and was Pick #51 in 2006 while JON was Pick #9 in 2005.

Hopefully both make their mark this year.
 
C4[2]Yo`DooR said:
JON = Clinton Benjamin.

both are tallish, fast, indiginous flankers - with so/so disposal.

only Clinton is larger in terms of size and was Pick #51 in 2006 while JON was Pick #9 in 2005.

Hopefully both make their mark this year.
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And Chris Judd = Chris Hyde

Both run fast have good disposal and know how to kick a goal.
 

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C4[2]Yo`DooR said:
JON = Clinton Benjamin.

both are tallish, fast, indiginous flankers - with so/so disposal.

only Clinton is larger in terms of size and was Pick #51 in 2006 while JON was Pick #9 in 2005.

Hopefully both make their mark this year.
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1. JON actually has smarts, knows how to win the footy and more importantly in dangerous positions.
2. JON uses his pace, you wouldnt know Benjamin was quick by the way he plays.
3. JON is a good kick, might not have shown it yet but was one of the best in his draft. Benjamin is very average.

And I wouldnt expect Benjamin to impact this year, he has alot to learn.
 
Bentleigh said:
I'd take Waters and Schmidt.

Brown is a star, Johnson is solid - yes. But they are both 30 yoa odd.

Are we going to win a flag with them in the side? If not, why trade picks for them.

Short term solutions. Long term pain.
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Easy to say that now you clown... Who would've thought that Waters and Schmidt were the pick of the bunch. Its not as though Richmond were the only club that ****ed up.

You live in a world of blame Bentleigh, what a joke! :thumbsd:
 
benny_furs said:
And Chris Judd = Chris Hyde

Both run fast have good disposal and know how to kick a goal.
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seriously your posts are a ****ing joke, you reckon being a smart arse will hide the fact you have no idea

clinton benjamin and jon is a pretty fair comparison, jon went in a pretty weak draft to a club who overpaid for him while benjamin's price was about right considering the strong draft and the fact carlton could go for a risk because they filled some needs with hampson and also got the no 1 pick

just say we didnt have a pick jon would of gone around 30-50 last year
 
PLSC said:
jon went in a pretty weak draft to a club who overpaid for him while benjamin's price was about right considering the strong draft and the fact carlton could go for a risk because they filled some needs with hampson and also got the no 1 pick

just say we didnt have a pick jon would of gone around 30-50 last year
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So at what stage did you deduce that we overpaid for him? At the moment we drafted him? After his first game? After one year on the list? Not every great player has a debut season like Deledio did. Many champion players took time to come good. You are assessing him far too early IMHO.

By the way it was reported in the Age that one club (I assume WC or Freo) had him at number 1 on their list, so he definitely would not have lasted until 30-50.
 
TOA. said:
1. JON actually has smarts, knows how to win the footy and more importantly in dangerous positions.
2. JON uses his pace, you wouldnt know Benjamin was quick by the way he plays.
3. JON is a good kick, might not have shown it yet but was one of the best in his draft. Benjamin is very average.

And I wouldnt expect Benjamin to impact this year, he has alot to learn.
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Not trolling ... but I reguarly watch the VFL .. and I would have to disagree with that so far.
 
PLSC said:
seriously your posts are aing joke, you reckon being a smart arse will hide the fact you have no idea

Clinton Benjamin and Jon is a pretty fair comparison, Jon went in a pretty weak draft to a club who overpaid for him while Benjamin's price was about right considering the strong draft and the fact Carlton could go for a risk because they filled some needs with hampson and also got the no 1 pick

just say we didnt have a pick Jon would of gone around 30-50 last year
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How you deduce your conclusions is flawed right from the beginning.

I agree Clinton and JON are a fair comparison but to say that we overpaid for JON is flawed. Surely you can accept that.

At least you contribute lots of comedic fodder with your pretence and quatrains cause your logic is tragic.
 

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tigerdan said:
By the way it was reported in the Age that one club (I assume WC or Freo) had him at number 1 on their list, so he definitely would not have lasted until 30-50.
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even more importantly - what fact is their that we would have lasted till 30-50? has any club said - " well we were disappointed no to get J.O.N - we had him slotted into our 3rd and fourth round pick.."

just another supporter making his own facts up...:rolleyes:
 
do you really think wc would pass up mitch brown for jon?

dont think so

the guy has massive potential and i reckon will be a good player in time i just thought that for pick 8 and where the list is their were other options that had to be taken
 
PLSC said:
seriously your posts are a ****ing joke, you reckon being a smart arse will hide the fact you have no idea

clinton benjamin and jon is a pretty fair comparison, jon went in a pretty weak draft to a club who overpaid for him while benjamin's price was about right considering the strong draft and the fact carlton could go for a risk because they filled some needs with hampson and also got the no 1 pick

just say we didnt have a pick jon would of gone around 30-50 last year
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Lol what would you know. You whinge about everything and even have to make up your own facts. You're probably an emo.

Just because JON and Benjamin run fast and are aboriginal doesn't mean they would have gone at the same place in a draft :rolleyes:

The difference is something I believe you support - FOOTY SMARTS.


tigerdan said:
By the way it was reported in the Age that one club (I assume WC or Freo) had him at number 1 on their list, so he definitely would not have lasted until 30-50.
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Exactly. There were talent scouts that believed he was the best talent in the land. It's a bit hard to argue he would have gone at pick 50 like PLSC believes.
 
lol at benny calling me an emo ***

jon and benjamin are similar, jon had a good championship and thats what probably bumped him to us instead of being a 2nd rounder in a weak draft, i stand by the fact if he was in last year draft he would be lucky to go top 25
 

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