Jonathan Hay an eagle in 2004?

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#26
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
You'd better ring Schwabby and let him know:
a) the Hawks are way over the salary cap
b) the days of Hawthorn trading players they don't want to us finished when Ken Judge left and
c) we've got more good ruckmen than you can poke a stick at and we ain't taking your hacks.

I don't think they'll be able to trade Holland (no one will take him), so if Rawlings stays (no sure thing), the Hawks will have to unload someone. If it's Hay, we may stand a chance, but don't assume he necessarily wants to come back to WA in the short term.

I wouldn't trade too much for him as he's a bit one-dimensional. Obviously I'd like to have him at the back, but we shouldn't break the bank for him.
Hawthorn are under the salary cap.

We are after Michael Gardiner.
 

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Originally posted by carneagles
Give 'em Seaby and a pick.
yes i agree, someone like seaby or johnson and a first round pick for hay sounds good, i dont think you'd want to trade cox when he fills out he'll be a much better player, then we'd have the ultimate ruck combo. :D
 

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There is a rumour in Melbourne that Jon Hay has a degenerative back condition. It could be that Hawthorn are trying to offload damaged goods. Why else would they trade him?
 

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#31
Originally posted by Sera
There is a rumour in Melbourne that Jon Hay has a degenerative back condition. It could be that Hawthorn are trying to offload damaged goods. Why else would they trade him?
In that case we'll do a straight swap with Carroll :D
 

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#33
Originally posted by goaldrush
Hawthorn are under the salary cap.

We are after Michael Gardiner.
Don't you read the news??????

The Hawks are way over the cap and need to offload players.

As for Gardy, he will never leave the club nor will he ever be traded.

That's all a pipedream for Hawks.
 

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#34
Originally posted by Pessimistic
Last year it was embley embley embley

What happened - are we all 'friends' now ?

Seriously though who are the eagles top 6 ? Thats the kind of quality you would need to trade for Hay

Who is contracted by the way

If you judged the top six from each club, I reckon ours would be the hardest to judge.

Cousins and Gardiner are the top obvious guys at the top 2, but after that theres probably six guys - Judd, Kerr, Wirrpunda, Matera, Fletcher, Embley - who are all just about equal.

Going on this year, I reckon Kerr and Wirrpunda would be seventh and eighth, but who knows?? last year, Embley wouldn't have been in our top 18, and he was in our best three this year, so what weight does that have in considering his position in the team.......if you get what i mean.


Anyway, i just wanted to comment on trading Gardiner. One year ago, not such a bad thing because he is supremely talented, but wasn't quite there, but this year, and in the future it will be different.

He makes our gameplane. Our gameplan atm, and I think it will be one of the main features of our gameplan over the next era, will be a dominant ruckman, which Gardiner has become. Cox, I don't think will ever quite become as dominant as Gardiner. If we traded Gardiner, it would have to be for someone like Brogan, who is equally as talented and just as young.

Every player in the AFL is tradeable at the right price, but at the Eagles, there are three guys who we would have to be offered far above their worth to part with: Michael Gardiner, Chris Judd and Ben Cousins.

Even guys like Chad Fletcher, Daniel Kerr, Ashley Sampi, Andrew McDougall, Dean Cox - all young and talented, but if the right price is given, you'd (painfully) part ways with them.

But the three guys mentioned above, the deal would have to be what their trade value is, and just a little bit more, because they are very important to the future of our club, because Gardiner will be the main feature of our game plan, Cousins is our captain and Judd is our most talented youngster (by far).,
 

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#36
Originally posted by Pessimistic
Last year it was embley embley embley

What happened - are we all 'friends' now ?

Seriously though who are the eagles top 6 ? Thats the kind of quality you would need to trade for Hay

Who is contracted by the way
Wirra's the only one of the top group who is still uncontracted. I'd consider a Wirra/Hay trade if we could do a full medical on Hay. Your not allowed to look at Wirra's feet though :D
 

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#37
Originally posted by Pessimistic
Last year it was embley embley embley

He was damaged goods.

He has seen the light, cleaned his act up and has basicly done alot of growing up in the last 12 months. Good on him.

This maturity has been translated into his football.
 

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#38
Originally posted by Mead
I'm beginning to revise my thoughts on Dean Cox's value in recent weeks.

Cox is pretty damn good value atm, but its worth realising just where he is in terms of his career. Physically, he's still a beanpole- that will change. Another couple of preseasons will see him with a Gardiner-ish physique. His skills, marking ability and footy brain are all present, his body just hasn't quite caught up yet.
Cox is only 22 and the popular belief is that tall players take longer to develop. If his development is slow, i can't wait till it picks up :eek:

Originally posted by Black Thunder
But that is ONLY if we can secure another backup ruckman/forward or ruckman/backman in the trade period, which is why I've been keen on Otten's lately.

The hell for? Anyone we pick up would have to be cheaper than Cox, therefore not as good. Might aswell hold on to Siera and hope Seaby/Beeck develop quickly.

Originally posted by Black Thunder

BTW we're getting robbed if we give Cox plus 1st rnd pick for Hay plus 3rd rnd pick.

Cox for Hay plus 2nd/3rd rnd pick would be fair for mine.

Maybe Cox for Hay straight, but i'm sure we can bargain them into giving us another pick.
I'll have a bit of what you're smoking. Hay is a gun, a tall KPP, and most teams would build their defence around him. You don't honestly believe Hawthorn would throw in another pick with Hay?
 

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#40
Why don't we just merge with Hawthorn, then we won't have to trade with them anymore.

Collica, Taylor, Chick, Maybe Hay?

Sheesh.
 

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#41
Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes


The hell for? Anyone we pick up would have to be cheaper than Cox, therefore not as good. Might aswell hold on to Siera and hope Seaby/Beeck develop quickly.



I'll have a bit of what you're smoking. Hay is a gun, a tall KPP, and most teams would build their defence around him. You don't honestly believe Hawthorn would throw in another pick with Hay?
If we wanted to trade Cox, we'd have to know we have a backup ruckman. ATM, we don't have one our list who can take over the duties - Seaby, Johnson aren't ready yet. So if we traded Cox, we'd have to get someone else in the trade period.

But Obviousbly, there is no point trading Cox for another ruckman who is a second string ruckman (like Rhett Biglands for instance) and doesn't play anywhere else because that is just like Cox. If we traded in another second string ruckman, it would have to be someone who spends most of the game up forward or down back, while pinch hitting for about a quarter so Gardiner can rest.

If we wanted to go all out for a guy like that, than Otten's is the man to go for, or we could perhaps settle for a less option and go for Nathan Thompson (there is another option to look at for the trade period).........


And on Cox's trade value, I believe he is definetaly worth more than Hay. He's younger, and he does play in the ruck - which I reckon atm is more of valuable than a KPP, and over the last two seasons, both have just about been as good as each other......
 

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#42
Originally posted by USAEagle
Why don't we just merge with Hawthorn, then we won't have to trade with them anymore.

Collica, Taylor, Chick, Maybe Hay?

Sheesh.
interesting point :p

besides, our eblems are virtually the same - Eagles/Hawks.... :p

I actually think Hawthorn are quite a talented team, and with plenty of guys we'd have no problem fitting into our team, and quite a few WA boys as well don't they?????

:p
 

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#43
The option with Cox is to try everything we can to turn him into a full forward, who backs up in the ruck.

Even though he has gone up forward this year, with moderate success, perhaps maybe we can just put a bit more into developing his full forward skills.

If this were the case it would leave us with no reason why we have to trade him, because it would allow us to have Cox on the ground for four quarters of the match.

Anyoen actually reckon he could be turned into a forward, or is to late in his developement to do that??
 

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Heck, if we merge with Hawthorn Ken Judge would return back as coach. . . and Gary Buckenara would finally fulfil his dream to become an Eagle (or Hawgle)

The reason we're probably balking at considering this trade is because Seaby and Beeck are untested and haven't been able to prove if they can cut the mustard at AFL level. IF the deal went ahead, we could really come out winners - or it could backfire on us.
 

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#45
Originally posted by Black Thunder
The option with Cox is to try everything we can to turn him into a full forward, who backs up in the ruck.

Even though he has gone up forward this year, with moderate success, perhaps maybe we can just put a bit more into developing his full forward skills.

If this were the case it would leave us with no reason why we have to trade him, because it would allow us to have Cox on the ground for four quarters of the match.

Anyoen actually reckon he could be turned into a forward, or is to late in his developement to do that??
If it came down to us having a ruckman at FF (hope not), I'd rather see it the other way around. Gardiner is a better mark and always looks dangerous in the forward line. Cox's game has only got better since he was forced to take the responsibility of #1 Ruckman, he also seems less injury prone than Gardiner.
 

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#46
With the idea of trading gardiner comes some merit - but not much. Big ruckman take ages to develop. He will be one of the afls premier ruckman for at least another 5 years. Blokes like salmon, and scott wynd dominated the ruck until their early 30's. Gardy is better than these blokes and is the future to our success.

On another note - I reckon sandilands will be one the games best tap ruckman. He'll probably never having the athletisism of gardy but he is a freak and should be investigated by the afl for being so bloody big.
 

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#48
Originally posted by brentoncowell
Recent hawks to fly west, Chick, Croad and Collica. All been shocking. Hay is good at Hawthorn but the boys goin over cant seem to fully adapt.
Pffft.

Collica's first 2 seasons were fantastic, including a 2nd placing in our B&F in 2001. Chick has carried an injury for most of the season, and has had a disappointing season, but added a hardness and work ethic into the side that at times was invaluable. Can't complain about either of them.

Croad, well, it was a mistake teaching him how to play footy :cool:
 

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#49
Originally posted by goaldrush
Hawthorn are under the salary cap.

We are after Michael Gardiner.
Haha, Hawthorn are over the cap by more than Carlton were in 2001/2002. And look what the AFL did to us...Good luck. Your mail is telling you something very very bad if they're telling you you're under the gap and you have enough space to chase Gardiner who would be worth prob $450K at the very least.

Whitnall for Gardiner?
 
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