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He get burnt a lot by team mates not kicking it to him. Even when he is in the better position. Counted at least 2 or 4 really obvious times yesterday.

dan lucas said:
I watched him closely yesterday, guilty of ball watching quite a few times, one which cost us a goal in the last qtr
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I saw that a few times yesterday although it is not the end of the world as during the last quarter a fair portion of the team would have been doing that. It would be very unfair to just point him out on that one.

Langers should get dropped before him and with no one knocking down the door he should keep his spot.
 

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I think people have to stop thinking of him as number 2 pick and start thinking of him as a number 19 pick. GWS wouldn't have let him go for number 19 if they thought he'd reach his top 2 potential.
 
tommyk72 said:
I think people have to stop thinking of him as number 2 pick and start thinking of him as a number 19 pick. GWS wouldn't have let him go for number 19 if they thought he'd reach his top 2 potential.
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I think people need to stop thinking about his pick and just think about the fact he has played less than 20 games
 
I have to say I'm sick to death of people saying each week that O'Rourke is running to the right spots and isn't being utilised. For the last 4 and a bit seasons we've been the standout team in the comp at spotting up open targets and honouring leads. And the boys don't see player A and think "he's no good I'll look for someone else" -they honour the player in the brown & gold jumper who's made best position almost every single time.

Let's face the facts: at this moment in time JOR is a very ordinary footballer. Yes, he's lacked continuity and yes, we shouldn't judge him based solely on his original draft number but let's call a spade a spade.
He doesn't have great composure, isn't a penetrating (or particularly accurate) kick, is poor one on one, doesn't consistently stick tackles, can't lock down on opponents, isn't quick, has trouble finding the footy and from what I've seen has very little positional awareness out on the ground.

I can remember a sum total of two impressive things he's done in a hawks guernsey: a centering kick to Gunston v the bulldogs and a nice spin out of traffic yesterday. Someone like Kade Stewart has shown more in his 3 games than JOR has in his entire career.
I understand the club has invested a lot in him and are looking to fast track replacements for our ageing mids but I just don't see any sign of development & progression in him.

There is no way he should be anywhere near the 2016 senior team...the thought of him featuring in finals makes me break out in hives
 
StillAtLarge said:
I have to say I'm sick to death of people saying each week that O'Rourke is running to the right spots and isn't being utilised. For the last 4 and a bit seasons we've been the standout team in the comp at spotting up open targets and honouring leads. And the boys don't see player A and think "he's no good I'll look for someone else" -they honour the player in the brown & gold jumper who's made best position almost every single time.

Let's face the facts: at this moment in time JOR is a very ordinary footballer. Yes, he's lacked continuity and yes, we shouldn't judge him based solely on his original draft number but let's call a spade a spade.
He doesn't have great composure, isn't a penetrating (or particularly accurate) kick, is poor one on one, doesn't consistently stick tackles, can't lock down on opponents, isn't quick, has trouble finding the footy and from what I've seen has very little positional awareness out on the ground.

I can remember a sum total of two impressive things he's done in a hawks guernsey: a centering kick to Gunston v the bulldogs and a nice spin out of traffic yesterday. Someone like Kade Stewart has shown more in his 3 games than JOR has in his entire career.
I understand the club has invested a lot in him and are looking to fast track replacements for our ageing mids but I just don't see any sign of development & progression in him.

There is no way he should be anywhere near the 2016 senior team...the thought of him featuring in finals makes me break out in hives
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Totally agree. The kiwi showed more in one game yesterday than JOR has.
 
Unfortunatly i agree. Unless he turns his game around a full 180 he is currently not to the standard required. As others have said he has shown very little to get excited about.

The club sees something though so we should give him more time. But we cant be a serious contender come finals if he is best 22(on exposed form).
 
Hawkas1988 said:
He has no elite quality. That is the issue atm. He has time on his hands, wait to properly judge at 50 games but I can't say I'm that excited about him.

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I would say the most elite thing about him is how average he is. He is elitely average in every single way. He stands out in literally no significant way. When viewed in this way he is undoubtedly an A-grader.
 

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Posters in this thread are pathetic, it is like you want him to fail. He has played less than 20 games ffs. There are so many players that showed **** all in their first 20 games and became great players. This guy has had no continuity until this year, and even then he has been at Box Hill a few times which just ****s you up completely.
 
Wbby said:
Posters in this thread are pathetic, it is like you want him to fail. He has played less than 20 games ffs. There are so many players that showed **** all in their first 20 games and became great players. This guy has had no continuity until this year, and even then he has been at Box Hill a few times which just ****s you up completely.
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Ok so you've had a go at me so let me say this.

1) I would never want a Hawk player to fail
2) I admit I've been hard on him but to be honest I was pissed Lovell and Stewart were dropped after both having better debuts than him
3) I've poked at JOR on here because I'd love to actually hear why people thinks he deserves a game above Stewart, Lovell or Woody?
 
H2F said:
Ok so you've had a go at me so let me say this.

1) I would never want a Hawk player to fail
2) I admit I've been hard on him but to be honest I was pissed Lovell and Stewart were dropped after both having better debuts than him
3) I've poked at JOR on here because I'd love to actually hear why people thinks he deserves a game above Stewart, Lovell or Woody?
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Woody I think should get the rest of the year at BH to get some confidence in his body and another contract, next year is then his chance to do a Wx this year.
Lovell from what I have seen when he has played has even less of a defensive side than JOR (though maybe he was under instruction to just go the ball) and neither of them seem to yet have the tank to play 4 quarters so they cause some issues with rotations and both get lost in the forward line.

They have been playing Lovell in the front half and on the outside a bit at BH to try and grow his game, Stewart has the forward line stuff down pat but maybe isn't ready for the midfield at AFL level.

It could be that JOR knows the system best and has just that little bit more experience that with how many kids we are forced to play that Clarko will scrounge for that little bit of certainty that more time in the system brings.
 
He's out of his depth this year. Anyone fighting this is deluded.
He has a massive pre season ahead of him to develop into the player we need him to be. I think he can become a very good player for us. He doesn't need to be exceptional which is what most of our expectations of him were knowing he was a former Pick 2.
 

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Falling out of love with him.

But Clarko gives him time, so must be rated internally. Needs 50 games.

Suggest 2017 is going to be big for Jono
 
dan lucas said:
I watched him closely yesterday, guilty of ball watching quite a few times, one which cost us a goal in the last qtr
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This is an ignorant comment. Firstly we play a zone defence. IF you don't know this please pay more attention. Secondly in a zone defence players a) watch the ball carrier to anticipate where the ball is going and b) rely on team mates to behind them to call out to them if their position is wrong.
 
Wbby said:
Posters in this thread are pathetic, it is like you want him to fail. He has played less than 20 games ffs. There are so many players that showed **** all in their first 20 games and became great players. This guy has had no continuity until this year, and even then he has been at Box Hill a few times which just ****s you up completely.
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I wonder if posters are that simple that they don't look at his game as a whole? So we have a kid who averages 15 touches a game playing 65-70% of game time, on the flip side our senior players (Mitch/Burger/Hodge/Lewis) spend 85-95% of the game on the field.

One would accordingly understand that you can't get the pill sitting on the bench right? I posted earlier in the thread in detail his KPI's as a mid and he absolutely stacks up to what our senior guys are doing. There's one thing that's stopping him become a 20+ touches a game mid and that's game time.
 
tige19 said:
I wonder if posters are that simple that they don't look at his game as a whole? So we have a kid who averages 15 touches a game playing 65-70% of game time, on the flip side our senior players (Mitch/Burger/Hodge/Lewis) spend 85-95% of the game on the field.

One would accordingly understand that you can't get the pill sitting on the bench right? I posted earlier in the thread in detail his KPI's as a mid and he absolutely stacks up to what our senior guys are doing. There's one thing that's stopping him become a 20+ touches a game mid and that's game time.
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Tige, where can you get time on ground stats from??

I agree with your post, interesting to see the stats
 
Brishawk said:
This is an ignorant comment. Firstly we play a zone defence. IF you don't know this please pay more attention. Secondly in a zone defence players a) watch the ball carrier to anticipate where the ball is going and b) rely on team mates to behind them to call out to them if their position is wrong.
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He may be talking about stoppages where a lot of time it can be man on man situations.. But I mean gee, has anyone watched any mid in those situations? They all ball watch and they have all be burnt, doesn't matter if your JOR or Dangerfield.
 
MrPremiership said:
Tige, where can you get time on ground stats from??

I agree with your post, interesting to see the stats
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The herald sun post them all year.. I'm not sure if you can find them on archive but it's the first stat I look at when seeing how a players performed. AFL will become more analytical, it's following the American sports where recruiters pick up on talent using analytics.

I haven't seen JOR play more than 70% of game time.
 

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