Jonathon Brown

[Strawbs]

listening to SEN on the way to work they were talking about IF Jon Brown were heading back to melbourne what he would be looking for in a club. from the best of my memory these were the "boxes" that required ticking

1) Sufficient money left in salary cap
2) young playing list
3) premiership window in the next 5 years

they then went on to nominate the 3 clubs that ticked those boxes and they were as follows

Collingwood, Bulldogs and RICHMOND.

what are peoples thoughts on chasing the big guy, would it be worth throwing the whole box and dice to try and get him to punt road?

Classic SEN Morning shift - basically let the print media do the work for you - that article is straight from today's Age. Brown - NO WAY is he worth the risk. 27, history of injury, so body is probably more that of a 32 year-old.

 

[Bob Wylie]

I agree Strawbs...he is not worth the risk at all!
I can just see it...if get J Brown now...we may as well ask "Strawbs" if he wants to come back for ONE run with the Tigers...what a laugh that was!

 

[Suds_Mcduff]

Classic SEN Morning shift - basically let the print media do the work for you - that article is straight from today's Age. Brown - NO WAY is he worth the risk. 27, history of injury, so body is probably more that of a 32 year-old.

didnt read the age this morning, i just thought it was good that people are starting to recognise that our list will have potential and that personally for the first time in my life the tigers will be in a premiership window in the next few years hopefully.

 

[waiting since 80]

It 'simple, make an offer for him {without giving too much}.... if they accept it, thats great, if they don't.... well we move on!

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[NQTIGER]

If you think that the Lions would let a triple premiership/Coleman medal winner walk for what you're offering then perhaps you should ask for the moniker "Deluded Tiger".

The Eagles only took the Judd offer because they were resigned to losing him for nothing if they didn't, because Judd had already declared he was leaving. Brown wants to stay at the Lions and all this talk about him possibly leaving is utter BS.

To get Brown out of there would take something more along the lines of at least 2 first round picks plus either a second round pick or player or one first round pick and a player of equal value, which would mean us giving up Deledio/Foley to get him, plus the second round pick or player as well. That being the case would you still be all for throwing everything at getting Brown to Richmond if it meant giving up that much.

That is why I said we don't really need him, because it just costs too much to get him and would pour all of the hard work done over the previous 4 years down the crapper. You don't build a strong young list over a preiod of time and then piss it all away for a 27 year old with a history of suffering long term injuries regardless how great they are.

RT great post why have we endured the posts and the crap for the past 4 years to try and get a quick fix............price is too high to pay

 

[boodsyboy]

To be honest the one that I think is slipping under the guard at the moment is Fevola. Think he might be a good suit to us, has shown interest in joining us in the past, has close ties with a number of players and would currently be available at a discounted price, with the requirement being a long term contract.

yes I agree would love fev at the Tigers like the guy.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

RT great post why have we endured the posts and the crap for the past 4 years to try and get a quick fix............price is too high to pay

You thumbsuckers make me laugh

There is no harm in trying to secure quality players. There is no obligation to take them if the deal does not stack up. FFS now that we are assembling the basis of a decent, competitive team again there is just a chance one of these players may want to join us and make the difference to enable us to win a flag again.

We tried for Fev before and went closer than anyone else to getting him. We at least kept Carlton a little nervous about securing Judd from West Coast and perhaps forced them to stretch their salary cap further than they otherwise wanted to - which may make it harder for them to keep Fev and others there. Jono Brown MAY just want to return to Victoria. We should at least have a crack at snaring him, not roll over saying "it's too hard" or "it's too hgh a price". How do you know if it is until you find out for sure?

Would Geelong have won the 2007 flag if they did not have a crack at getting Ottens when they did?

 

[_RT_]

You thumbsuckers make me laugh

There is no harm in trying to secure quality players. There is no obligation to take them if the deal does not stack up. FFS now that we are assembling the basis of a decent, competitive team again there is just a chance one of these players may want to join us and make the difference to enable us to win a flag again.

We tried for Fev before and went closer than anyone else to getting him. We at least kept Carlton a little nervous about securing Judd from West Coast and perhaps forced them to stretch their salary cap further than they otherwise wanted to - which may make it harder for them to keep Fev and others there. Jono Brown MAY just want to return to Victoria. We should at least have a crack at snaring him, not roll over saying "it's too hard" or "it's too hgh a price". How do you know if it is until you find out for sure?

Would Geelong have won the 2007 flag if they did not have a crack at getting Ottens when they did?

Never said we shouldn't go after a player like Brown, just that Brown is not the player we should be targetting at seasons end. For that fact neither is Fevola, IMO the only players we should be targetting are those in their early 20's at most and adding them to the young group we already have.

That way we are adding players who are going to be around and peaking when the players we already have are ready to have sustained success, instead of the 1 year in, 7-10 years missing out finals appearances we have had in the last 20 odd years.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Never said we shouldn't go after a player like Brown, just that Brown is not the player we should be targetting at seasons end. For that fact neither is Fevola, IMO the only players we should be targetting are those in their early 20's at most and adding them to the young group we already have.

That way we are adding players who are going to be around and peaking when the players we already have are ready to have sustained success, instead of the 1 year in, 7-10 years missing out finals appearances we have had in the last 20 odd years.

It's your opinion, which you are entitled to. Others may disagree.

Since 1980 we have not acquired players the calibre of Brown or Fevola, so this is not a cause of our lack of finals competitiveness. In fact we have let go of a few(Bryan Wood, David Cloke, Geoff Raines, Craig Lambert, Stuart Maxfield, Brad Ottens). Bad player and financial management were the reasons. Thankfully we are now much better placed.

 

[_RT_]

It's your opinion, which you are entitled to. Others may disagree.

Since 1980 we have not acquired players the calibre of Brown or Fevola, so this is not a cause of our lack of finals competitiveness. In fact we have let go of a few(Bryan Wood, David Cloke, Geoff Raines, Craig Lambert, Stuart Maxfield, Brad Ottens). Bad player and financial management were the reasons. Thankfully we are now much better placed.

I get what you're saying, its just I don't think chasing after high priced players who are 27 or older are what we need to be doing right now. What would happen if we did get someone like Brown or Fevola and ended up spending the next year struggling to get out of the bottom 8 again? We both know what would happen and it would not be that pretty. I just believe we should continue down the path we have been over the last few years and that is focusing on getting the best young talent we can into the club without having to trade away too much in the process. The simple fact is to get either player to the club would cost a lot more than it is worth in the long run and on top of that there is no guarantee that they would being the success that everyone hopes they would.

 

[nut]

What would he cost????????? 2 top ten draft picks. Which means we have to give up one of Deliedo, Cotchin, Foley,....... if we finnish higher that 13th position then we have no hope.

Before you consider getting Brown, consider what we would loose to get him.

Those of you who want Brown what would you give up?


I want Judd, Brown, Fev, Kerr and throw in Cox as a back up ruckman and I'll be over the moon.

The fact is we have no one of value unless you want to let go a player mentioned above.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

To be honest the one that I think is slipping under the guard at the moment is Fevola. Think he might be a good suit to us, has shown interest in joining us in the past, has close ties with a number of players and would currently be available at a discounted price, with the requirement being a long term contract.

...Plus he and Johnno share a common trait.

We'll be one big happy family!

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

What would he cost????????? 2 top ten draft picks. Which means we have to give up one of Deliedo, Cotchin, Foley,....... if we finnish higher that 13th position then we have no hope.

Before you consider getting Brown, consider what we would loose to get him.

Those of you who want Brown what would you give up?

I want Judd, Brown, Fev, Kerr and throw in Cox as a back up ruckman and I'll be over the moon.

The fact is we have no one of value unless you want to let go a player mentioned above.

My suggestion is our first pick plus Schulz.

 

[nut]

My suggestion is our first pick plus Schulz.

ok so say pick 6 and Shulz..... take that to the Brisbane Board and see what response you would get.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

ok so say pick 6 and Shulz..... take that to the Brisbane Board and see what response you would get.

If he wants to leave then it is the same situation as West Coast with Judd. Judd wanted to go to the Blues and West Coast then had to negotiate the best deal they could. What's the difference if Brown said "I want to go to the Tigers"?

 

[nut]

If he wants to leave then it is the same situation as West Coast with Judd. Judd wanted to go to the Blues and West Coast then had to negotiate the best deal they could. What's the difference if Brown said "I want to go to the Tigers"?

Difference is that Jud cost the blues pick 3 20 and a first rnd draft choice in Kennedy, pick 6 and shulz is no where near what the brisbane would want and someone would offer more than that.

 

[_RT_]

If he wants to leave then it is the same situation as West Coast with Judd. Judd wanted to go to the Blues and West Coast then had to negotiate the best deal they could. What's the difference if Brown said "I want to go to the Tigers"?

The difference is last year the Blues has 2 of the first 3 picks in the draft and second pick in the PSD. They had much better bargaining power than what we would have with the Lions.

If Brown was to walk on the Lions and said he wanted to come to us we would need to start tanking games now to get ourselves on the bottom of the ladder with picks 1 & 2 in the draft so we could offer the Lions pick 1 or 2 plus 17 and a player. That way we would get Brown keep a top 3 pick and then it might be a worthy deal.

 

[Strawbs]

No way are Brown or Fevola worth the risk. Let's develop what we have and not trade away top shelf youth in whom we've invested so much.

 

[sante]

No thanks. Riewoldt/Hughes etc. are good enough with the midfield we will have.

A forward can only play as well as the midfield allows them. No matter who our FF is over the next 10 years, they will do well with players like Deledio, Foley and Cotchin delivering to them.

 

[strav]

Offer them JON.

Seriously, he's 27 years old and we won't be playing in a grand final for the next 3 to 4 years i reckon. We have a great bunch of young kids and I'd be really disappointed to lose young riewoldt. No thanks.

I think the bulldogs can be ruled out too. He hates ackermanis with a passion.

Could not agree with you more.

 

[chrisjie]

Collingwood have the ability to offer him all the business deals outside the salary cap. So potentially he can earn tonnes more there and with Rocca gone soon it's only logical.

 

[Strawbs]

Well then let's hope he's as useful to them as Rocca has been.

 

[strav]

Well then let's hope he's as useful to them as Rocca has been.

Ahmen to that.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

No thanks. Riewoldt/Hughes etc. are good enough with the midfield we will have.

A forward can only play as well as the midfield allows them. No matter who our FF is over the next 10 years, they will do well with players like Deledio, Foley and Cotchin delivering to them.

Hughes ???????

Get real!

I'm saying for Brown or Fevola that we offer Schulz plus our first pick. With either of them we are a chance of a flag in the next 2-4 years with Richo still around and Foley, Deledio and Cotchin delivering to them.

Have a go - don't sit back and say "it's too hard".

 

[chrisjie]

Fevola is shit. I wouldn't want him at Richmond and I don't think the playing group would accept him.

But yes potentially

Schultz + 1st Round pick (we don't need it THAT much) + Shane Edwards (his trade value will probably be pretty high by the end of the year)

That would get the deal done I reakon.