Traded Jonathon Patton [traded to Hawthorn for Future 4th]

[HairyO]

I am happy.

I like Patton and Hawthorn have a good history of getting guys back on the park.

Has he taken a pay cut to join Hawthorn or has he signed a small extension and they are splitting his salary next year over 2 years?

He is on big coin now but they keep saying his salary will be lower next season?

I assume we gave him 3 years worth 50% or 60% more in total than his final year with GWS. Probably a 4th year clause based on the number of games played in his 3rd year.

Something sensible for both player and club. We dont tend to make silly offers unless desperate.

 

[Colonial]

McCartney was posturing that a suitable trade of fair value would be required, they weren't just going to give him away. End result?

"Yeah a future 4th (that we probably won't use) is fine..."

We did use it.

 

[moistie]

Had all to do with ensuring the Hawks lay the entirety of Patton's contract from my understanding. Nothing to do with the trade itself.

The Hawks don't have to pay Patton's Giants contract. Once he's traded it is up to him and Hawthorn to decide upon terms of a new contract. GWS needed Patton's contract off the books, nothing more.

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[threesixpio]

Are Hawthorn ever going to pay GWS for anything? Lol. Consecutive years and consecutive future 4th round picks for former Number 1 draft picks...doesn't make sense to me. I understand the salary dump part, but these are essentially free agents, just walking to Hawthorn for a token pick. Scrimshaw, former Pick 7...same thing.

This is honestly a genuine question, is Hawthorn's 'network' of assistant coaches giving them favourable deals at clubs they have connections with?

It's not like it's just a one off anymore. Scully, Scrimshaw and Patton all former Top 10 picks, all for nothing picks and still with a fair chunk of their careers left.

It's all getting a bit odd, and frankly, a little suspect

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

The Hawks don't have to pay Patton's Giants contract. Once he's traded it is up to him and Hawthorn to decide upon terms of a new contract. GWS needed Patton's contract off the books, nothing more.

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Only if Patton agrees to do so (which I assume he will for what it's worth, the Hawks will kick in a couple of extra years to make it worth his while). Until then, the Hawks are on the hook for the terms of his existing contract.

 

[TylerDurden]

Only if Patton agrees to do so (which I assume he will for what it's worth, the Hawks will kick in a couple of extra years to make it worth his while). Until then, the Hawks are on the hook for the terms of his existing contract.

It's a new 3 year deal. New terms.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

So to clarify.

Giants fans are happy.
Hawks fans are happy.

But other clubs supporters not so much.

Weird weird world.
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So to clarify.

Giants fans are happy.
Hawks fans are happy.

But other clubs supporters not so much.

Weird weird world.

Well giant fans should not be happy letting stuff like this happen is why you’re club will continue to be walked all over you let a player go that was worth a second rounder and you more or less gave him to a rival for free a fourth rounder is worthless you would have gotten better in free agency compo next season

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Well giant fans should not be happy letting stuff like this happen is why you’re club will continue to be walked all over you let a player go that was worth a second rounder and you more or less gave him to a rival for free a fourth rounder is worthless you would have gotten better in free agency compo next season

We can agree to disagree, but a fourth rounder is an excellent result for the Giants. I'm thrilled as I didn't think we'd be able to find any suitors for him, let alone one who thought he was worth a fourth rounder.

Second rounder is your opinion of Patton's worth, a seventh rounder was my opinion of Patton's worth and the two clubs involved agreed that he was worth a fourth rounder. That's how trading works, but myself and many other Giants fans think we got very lucky with a fourth.

It's always disappointing to lose an inaugural player, but Patton on-field worth to us was non-existent.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

It's a new 3 year deal. New terms.

Great outcome for Patton then

 

[smeltitdeltit]

That gif’s effen brilliant!!

 

[eldorado]

Surely you guys should be doing a favour for GWS and giving them a half decent pick, given the absolute steal you got with Scully? Instead though, you're just focusing on what your club wants, but not giving anything back.


Even if you really needed that pick for Finn, then you should have just given up a Future 3rd at least (which is what the Giants asked for) instead of a nothing Future 4th in a heavily compromised draft.

If you look at it objectively, Giants asked for a 3rd rounder, and you wouldn't even give them that...despite their good will with Scully.

I must say I enjoyed reading your bold new take on the principles of market capitalism, on which much of this world is unfortunately predicated.

I look forward to "The Shadow89 Equilibrium" becoming the dominant force in all future human interactions.

Got to sign off now...my boss has just come in demanding we all immediately accept a 20% pay rise. Damn bourgeois pig!

 

[Rosscoe]

honestly; this trade stinks like a thousand monkey assholes.

 

[KermitJagger]

honestly; this trade stinks like a thousand monkey assholes.

It doesn't really.

GWS are simply being mature with their player management. The only reason the Hawks are in a position to make this deal where other clubs aren't is that we have such a solid record in managing knee injuries.

If we weren't interested, GWS would have dealt with another club for similar recompense.

 

[Rosscoe]

It doesn't really.

GWS are simply being mature with their player management. The only reason the Hawks are in a position to make this deal where other clubs aren't is that we have such a solid record in managing knee injuries.

If we weren't interested, GWS would have dealt with another club for similar recompense.

yeah nah...over and out

 

[kirbatron]

Good LM & deal for both clubs

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I have no idea how the hawks have not been arrested yet for repeated robbery...

 

[Mitchell54]

I have no idea how the hawks have not been arrested yet for repeated robbery...

Few coffees with the chief in charge does the job.

 

[Rosscoe]

 

[Furn2]

Don't forget the Hawks let guys Like Mitchell and Lewis go for basically nothing so we would have the cap space down the line to take on risks like this.

We've also been super strict with our salary structure, and maybe missed out on a player or 2 because of it, but with many other teams playing overs to get or keep players it lets us pick up the fallout and pay not much trade wise as teams are pressed for cap space and are happy to dump players.

 

[Colonial]

Well giant fans should not be happy letting stuff like this happen is why you’re club will continue to be walked all over you let a player go that was worth a second rounder and you more or less gave him to a rival for free a fourth rounder is worthless you would have gotten better in free agency compo next season

Not seeing the whole picture I see.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

honestly; this trade stinks like a thousand monkey assholes.

What do you believe Patton is worth?

 

[Tbone McGraw]

What do you believe Patton is worth?

He is a pick 1, albeit with 2 knee recos.

If I was GWS, I would not have accepted anything under a 2nd round.

 

[Slysh]

He is a pick 1, albeit with 2 knee recos.

If I was GWS, I would not have accepted anything under a 2nd round.

and what happens when we refuse to pay it and they get stuck with his contract?

They don’t need a 2nd round pick, they need cap space.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

and what happens when we refuse to pay it and they get stuck with his contract?

They don’t need a 2nd round pick, they need cap space.

Well if GWS wanted him gone, not much they could do.

However, doesn't change my point that hawks have stolen another trade.

Well done hawks. I am jealous.

 

[HairyO]

Well giant fans should not be happy letting stuff like this happen is why you’re club will continue to be walked all over you let a player go that was worth a second rounder and you more or less gave him to a rival for free a fourth rounder is worthless you would have gotten better in free agency compo next season

Giants were given 20 top 20 picks.

How would you keep them all on the books?

They are doing the sensible thing. The only issue is the occasional meddling by Gil. Other than that this is exactly what you would expect would happen. They identify the players they dont want to lose. They let go of the ones they are okay losing.

And when a required player wants to go they play hardball and get as much as they can (Treloar, Shiel being the 2 obvious ones).