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40 years before the hipsters took the glasses and ran with them like they stole them and tortured metaphors and extemporizations.

I suppose Terry Richardson and Dov Charney were taken down in this #metoo firesale
Trudeau was an underwear model, two of Australia's Mr Bachelors in a row /grammar were underwear waiters/strippers. Do you think Trudeau missed his calling?

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Take the glasses off him looks like William Hague circa the 77 Tory Party Conference. I wonder if he goes "wrestling" with Seb Coe as well?
 

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He left the Left because...

"I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms..."

LOL actually that's not true.

From Maps Of Meaning.

Of course, my socialist colleagues and I weren’t out to hurt anyone – quite the reverse. We were out to improve things – but we were going to start with other people. I came to see the temptation in this logic, the obvious flaw, the danger – but could also see that it did not exclusively characterize socialism. Anyone who was out to change the world by changing others was to be regarded with suspicion. The temptations of such a position were too great to be resisted. It was not socialist ideology that posed the problem, then – but ideology, as such.
 

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Take Kim Beasley Snr who in 1970 said:

When I joined the Labor Party, it contained the cream of the working class. But as I look about me now, all I see are the dregs of the middle class. When will you middle class perverts stop using the Labor Party as a cultural spittoon?​
Not wrong IMO.
 

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He left the Left because...

"I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms..."

LOL actually that's not true.

From Maps Of Meaning.
Anyone who was out to change the world by changing others was to be regarded with suspicion.
 

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Since this thread is about a psychologist, I think it's only fair that we study the psychology of "haters".

"Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/...ven-stage-hate-model-the-psychopathology-hate

Why are there threads full of hate for Milo, Southern, Peterson, Trump, and every right wing Aussie politician? Whereas leftist equivalents, like Clem Ford or even Waleed Aly, are lacking a thread? Why have there been thousands of pages of angst in the Trump threads, yet there was near silence in the Obama threads?

Why are there unrelenting haters in this very thread in particular, about a fairly inoffensive pop psychologist? What is there to gain for these individuals?

For all the reputation that the right have for being the side of hatred and fear, the evidence would seem to point the other way on bf.
 

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For all the reputation that the right have for being the side of hatred and fear, the evidence would seem to point the other way on bf.
It seems the left are on a mission to free the oppressed from the oppressor. If you're in their way, you are fair game.

The people on the right just want a Ferrari.
 

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It was the same reasoning that Orwell had for disliking the vindictive nature of many socialists.
So you go and hang out with people like Stefan Molyneux and Ben Shapiro?

The same Ben Shapiro who stated: 'Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock'

Seems legit.

Also, Orwell might not have liked many socialists (can you blame him?) but I think this line is key: To recoil from Socialism because so many socialists are inferior people is as absurd as refusing to travel by train because you dislike the ticket-collector’s face.

So Orwell disliked the vindictiveness of many socialists but it didn't mean he became a Christian conservative and ran into the arms of the 30s equivalents of Ben Shapiro.
 
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Enough of this bickering. Let us sup from the cup of Jordan.

Prior to the time of Descartes, Bacon and Newton, man lived in an animated, spiritual world, saturated with meaning, imbued with moral purpose. The nature of this purpose was revealed in the stories people told each other – stories about the structure of the cosmos, and the place of man. But now we think empirically (at least we think we think empirically), and the spirits that once inhabited the universe have vanished. The forces released by the advent of the experiment have wreaked havoc within the mythic world
 

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So you go and hang out with people like Stefan Molyneux and Ben Shapiro?

The same Ben Shapiro who stated: 'Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock'

Seems legit.
I think Molyneux is a flog based on what I've seen, and certainly a race baiter at the very least. Doing interviews with him was a bad move from Peterson and I suspect he regrets that.

Shapiro is a smart man. Don't agree with some of what he says and his conservative viewpoints but he's not a terrible person by any stretch. In fact I'm pretty sure he's written about that tweet you mention and apologised for it (unless I'm mistaking it for another).

It would be good if Peterson spent more time being interviewed by left wing personalities but I doubt he gets the invites and every time he is, it tends to be an adversarial interview rather than a discussion.
 

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I think Molyneux is a flog based on what I've seen, and certainly a race baiter at the very least. Doing interviews with him was a bad move from Peterson and I suspect he regrets that.
Got anything to back that up or is this just what you want to believe? Hasn't he had a few interviews with Molyneux now? 3 in fact.

Shapiro is a smart man. Don't agree with some of what he says and his conservative viewpoints but he's not a terrible person by any stretch. In fact I'm pretty sure he's written about that tweet you mention and apologised for it (unless I'm mistaking it for another).
Seems like a great guy from all accounts.

On the last part (I forgot to quote), I wish he would debate Richard Wolff but I understand he'd be on a hiding to nothing if he were to debate an actual economist. It wouldn't be very good for his brand and he's better off sticking to the identity politics.
 

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never heard of this dude.. can't say I want to tell him to rubbish or disrespect women.. for shoot.. his
attitude might be absolutely crap...

don't know and don't care..

shattering illusions easily done...

so there you have it.. one moment and one time and one bust up...

send this dude into a delusional theory...
It's ridiculous because the reverse holds true for Israelis pretty easily.
 

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Got anything to back that up or is this just what you want to believe? Hasn't he had a few interviews with Molyneux now? 3 in fact.


Seems like a great guy from all accounts.

On the last part (I forgot to quote), I wish he would debate Richard Wolff but I understand he'd be on a hiding to nothing if he were to debate an actual economist. It wouldn't be very good for his brand and he's better off sticking to the identity politics.
I've only come across the one interview which is why I thought he'd stopped being involved.

Hope he does debate that guy. Or more to the point, have a discussion. Can't stand this barracking like it's a team sport.
 
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