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mcnulty

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what you going on about
Glad to see your grammar has risen to the level of your posting. Just.

It gets funnier still. Your post is there in plain language. It seems fairly unambiguous. The free kick is completely unnecessary.

You are piling up the own goals.😂
 

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Glad to see your grammar has risen to the level of your posting. Just.

It gets funnier still. Your post is there in plain language. It seems fairly unambiguous. The free kick is completely unnecessary.

You are piling up the own goals.😂
Tell me - do you like Jordan Peterson? Have you read any of his work? Have you listened to his lectures?

One of the many things Peterson highlights is the challenges life presents for all of us and that there is no real option but to work thru them diligently and with as much sincerity as we can individually muster to make life bearable and maybe, if we lucky, enjoyable. The danger of engaging in deception is the damage we do to ourselves. Life is complex enough without lying and only adding to the confusion.

What do you think?
 

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Tell me - do you like Jordan Peterson? Have you read any of his work? Have you listened to his lectures?

One of the many things Peterson highlights is the challenges life presents for all of us and that there is no real option but to work thru them diligently and with as much sincerity as we can individually muster to make life bearable and maybe, if we lucky, enjoyable. The danger of engaging in deception is the damage we do to ourselves. Life is complex enough without lying and only adding to the confusion.

What do you think?
As someone here has mentioned, Peterson is part psychologist part culture warrior. If he has helped anyone through tough times with his schtick then that’s great...really. But it’s a schtick. This has all been said before. He’s selling books and YouTube hits.

All of your jaundiced, highly sceptical attitude dissolves in the face of this bloke.

Weird.
 

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As someone here has mentioned, Peterson is part psychologist part culture warrior. If he has helped anyone through tough times with his schtick then that’s great...really. But it’s a schtick. This has all been said before. He’s selling books and YouTube hits.

All of your jaundiced, highly sceptical attitude dissolves in the face of this bloke.

Weird.
Do you personally find any value in his ideas?
 

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So can you explain what inspires your persistent presence in this thread if you don't believe he has any ideas?
Seems rather curious.
Not really. Any more than climate change sceptics would appear on the climate change thread. Or you, hilariously spruiking HCQ in in the covid threads.

Curious.
 
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Not really. Any more than climate change sceptics would appear on the climate change thread. Or you, hilariously spruiking HCQ in in the covid threads.

Curious.
So Jordan Peterson is as important to you as Climate Change, and COVID cures? Well that is great.
Although I think its clear, your Lobster mind is in charge and there is no possibility that you will ever be a real woman.
 

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What are you talking about? If the child doesn't want to or communicate they want to at the very least, no ruling can be made and nothing will proceed. You do realise the word 'final' does not necessarily apply chronologically?
My point is that an adolescent child cannot legally undergo treatment without either:
  • the consent of both parents/guardians - both of whom are over 18
  • court authorisation - determined by a judge who is over 18
It is erroneous to suggest that Australian law permits underage children to begin treatment for Gender Dysphoria - without the authorisation of adult/s entrusted to act in their best interests.

Now, let's take that at different ages:

3 - Obviously brainwashed kid

8 - Starting to understand they get special treatment for adopting these 'views' or starting to identify benefits that apply to being either sex, particularly through axioms. eg. You can't hit girls.

13 - Likely confused or showing dysphoric tendencies during onset of puberty or resulting from sexual / psychological trauma (including that exacted by parents who are anti-homosexuality).

18 - Near completion of puberty. More likely to be affected by peer pressure and philosophical echo-chambers, but legally an adult.


Which of these common stages of development is the most acceptable for consenting to anything?
Australian case law has a legal standard, known as Gillick competence, to determine whether a child is able to consent to their own medical treatment, without the need for parental permission or knowledge. This standard was established in 1985 and ratified in Australian case law in 1992.

Although there is no one-size-fits-all criteria for determining the Gillick competence of an adolescent child, these are the factors that have been considered in recent cases:
  1. Able to comprehend and retain both existing and new information regarding the proposed treatment;
  2. Able to provide a full explanation, in terms appropriate to their level of maturity and education, of the nature of treatment;
  3. Able to describe the advantages of treatment;
  4. Able to describe the disadvantages of treatment;
  5. Able to weigh the advantages and disadvantages in the balance, and arrive at an informed decision about whether and when they should proceed with treatment;
  6. Able to understand that the decision to proceed with treatment could have consequences that cannot be entirely foreseen at the time of the decision;
  7. Able to understand that treatment will not necessarily address all or any of the psychological and social difficulties that they had before the commencement of treatment;
  8. Being free to the greatest extent possible from temporary factors that could impair judgment in providing consent to the procedure.
 

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My point is that an adolescent child cannot legally undergo treatment without either:
  • the consent of both parents/guardians - both of whom are over 18
  • court authorisation - presided by a judge who is over 18
It is erroneous to suggest that Australian law permits underage children to begin treatment for Gender Dysphoria - without the authorisation of adult/s entrusted to act in their best interests.


Australian case law has a legal standard, known as Gillick competence, to determine whether a child is able to consent to their own medical treatment, without the need for parental permission or knowledge. This standard was established in 1985 and ratified in Australian case law in 1992.

Although there are no one-size-fits-all criteria for determining the Gillick competence of an adolescent child, these are the factors that have been considered in recent cases:
  1. Able to comprehend and retain both existing and new information regarding the proposed treatment;
  2. Able to provide a full explanation, in terms appropriate to their level of maturity and education, of the nature of treatment;
  3. Able to describe the advantages of treatment;
  4. Able to describe the disadvantages of treatment;
  5. Able to weigh the advantages and disadvantages in the balance, and arrive at an informed decision about whether and when they should proceed with treatment;
  6. Able to understand that the decision to proceed with treatment could have consequences that cannot be entirely foreseen at the time of the decision;
  7. Able to understand that treatment will not necessarily address all or any of the psychological and social difficulties that they had before the commencement of treatment;
  8. Being free to the greatest extent possible from temporary factors that could impair judgment in providing consent to the procedure.
You're not telling us anything that isn't already public knowledge.

None of that precludes the ultimate decision belonging to the child and ideologues enabling their delusion.

What proportion of applications to the court are denied?
 

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You're not telling us anything that isn't already public knowledge.

None of that precludes the ultimate decision lies with the child and ideologues enable their delusion.
"Ideologues" who are over 18 and entrusted to act in the best interests of the child.

You are entitled to disagree with what these "idealogues" deem to be 'in the best interests of the child' - but your fringe opinion matters little in practical terms - given that it is not a view not shared by the medical profession and not a view supported by recent judgements in the Australian family court.
 

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"Ideologues" who are over 18 and entrusted to act in the best interests of the child.

You are entitled to disagree with what these "idealogues" deem to be 'in the best interests of the child' - but your fringe opinion matters little in practical terms - given that it is not a view not shared by the medical profession and not a view supported by recent judgements in the Australian family court.
Thanks for not answering the question. I wonder why.
 

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