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What we label classical liberals is just semantics.

they are sure repulsed by trump though. Even more than the socialists who deep down kind of like him. See the record numbers of university educated people voting democrats
That's because a lot of Trump's policies while not socialist were certainly protectionist.
Liberal left right politics is over. It's based on form an identity and tribe and conform to their dictates. It's about proving your a better person than your ideas.
 

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Gees this thread has descended back into the monotonous. Men and women have very different behavioural traits due to evolution. No sh*t.

do we really need to discuss the obvious?

Edit - sorry I forgot this was a Peterson thread. Discussing the obvious on the differences between the sexes is this guys only bread and butter. and yes I’m aware the identitarians do actually need to hear this.

Hopefully he sticks to this for his next book rather then trying to tell people how to improve their lives.
 

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The brain devotes more energy into justification of a decision than making it.

The subconscious have more influence than we realise.

In hindsight, sometimes we can see under the table motivations.

Getting back to partner selection.

With all the talk about women wanting a sensitive and in touch with the feelings man goes against the hard wiring of the subconscious.

Women really want subconsciously is a man who is strong, capable and high status.
I'm just laughing at the irony of a bunch of dudes on a footy forum debating what women want.
But seriously the data indicates women tend to go for someone who earns equal or higher.
Also rich famous men have an abundance of choice.
I guess Peterson's argument is for a functional society you need to avoid mass dispossessed. That comes from rewarding competence and monogamy. Definitely agree his first point his take on relationships can be simplistic but he's arguing more about foundations than a micro level
 

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Gees this thread has descended back into the monotonous. Men and women have very different behavioural traits due to evolution. No sh*t.

do we really need to discuss the obvious?

Edit - sorry I forgot this was a Peterson thread. Discussing the obvious on the differences between the sexes is this guys only bread and butter. and yes I’m aware the identitarians do actually need to hear this.

Hopefully he sticks to this for his next book rather then trying to tell people how to improve their lives.
Everyone knows this just like if some evolutionary traits aren't checked it leads to chaos.
The debate is about how you corral men and women's different evolutionary traits to create a harmonious society.
 

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I'm just laughing at the irony of a bunch of dudes on a footy forum debating what women want.
But seriously the data indicates women tend to go for someone who earns equal or higher.
Also rich famous men have an abundance of choice.
I guess Peterson's argument is for a functional society you need to avoid mass dispossessed. That comes from rewarding competence and monogamy. Definitely agree his first point his take on relationships can be simplistic but he's arguing more about foundations than a micro level
Women don’t want dudes on BF wasting their time on the topic of what women want.
 

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That's because a lot of Trump's policies while not socialist were certainly protectionist.
Liberal left right politics is over. It's based on form an identity and tribe and conform to their dictates. It's about proving your a better person than your ideas.
There is still a large group that reject all the identity bullsh** as incredibly racist. They just aren’t doing very well in forming political power at the moment As both left and right political parties have been taken over by the extremes.
 

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There is still a large group that reject all the identity bullsh** as incredibly racist. They just aren’t doing very well in forming political power at the moment As both left and right political parties have been taken over by the extremes.
True in life unfortunately. Answer is in your post.
Most sensible people get sick and tired of arguing with extremists and emotional terrorists. So they find their niche and drop out giving the extremists what they want.
Unfortunately that validates extremist behaviour so this have no motivation or even awareness to change.
Any opposition from that point on is gaslighted
 

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The brain devotes more energy into justification of a decision than making it.

The subconscious have more influence than we realise.

In hindsight, sometimes we can see under the table motivations.

Getting back to partner selection.

With all the talk about women wanting a sensitive and in touch with the feelings man goes against the hard wiring of the subconscious.

Women really want subconsciously is a man who is strong, capable and high status.

Yes, it's incredibly complex, but apparently there's as many latent expert behavioral psychologists as viral epidemiologists in this place.

It all gets back to my point that the overwhelming number of critics simply are not intellectually capable of dissecting him. Their rebuttals are overwhelmingly based on cliched horseshit.
 

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Gees this thread has descended back into the monotonous. Men and women have very different behavioural traits due to evolution. No sh*t.

do we really need to discuss the obvious?

Edit - sorry I forgot this was a Peterson thread. Discussing the obvious on the differences between the sexes is this guys only bread and butter. and yes I’m aware the identitarians do actually need to hear this.

Hopefully he sticks to this for his next book rather then trying to tell people how to improve their lives.
You should keep your act for the sub 100 I.Q. crowd.
 

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That's because a lot of Trump's policies while not socialist were certainly protectionist.
Liberal left right politics is over. It's based on form an identity and tribe and conform to their dictates. It's about proving your a better person than your ideas.
It's about dissolving the meritocracy, and it has catastrophic long term implications..
 

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The take away from what I was saying should be that women will reinforce behaviours and qualities in young men and young men are pattern monsters who pick up on them really well.

Young women can train young men to be whatever they want through their sexual selection process.

We've been the controlling influence behind the success of the human race since humans started pair bonding. We have decided what qualities are rewarded and valued. Men just dance to the tune we play because they really don't care as long as they think there is sex at the end of the journey.

We are seeing some of that now playing out with young men taking on either more isolationist rejection of that game because of what I believe to be an oversupply of sex, be it cheap easy sex itself or an abundance of pornography, or they are trying to shape themselves into what they think women will allow close to them which takes the form of the hypomascluline (as opposed to hypermasculine) lesser threat male who agrees with her and doesn't pose a sexual threat.

But I assure you, he does. He might have turned himself into a "break in case of emergency" box of sex but he is still there.

Not healthy for that young man in my opinion. Not all that positive for society either but fortunately we don't care much about young men otherwise we might really get anxious about what it's contributing to.
 

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The take away from what I was saying should be that women will reinforce behaviours and qualities in young men and young men are pattern monsters who pick up on them really well.

Young women can train young men to be whatever they want through their sexual selection process.

We've been the controlling influence behind the success of the human race since humans started pair bonding. We have decided what qualities are rewarded and valued. Men just dance to the tune we play because they really don't care as long as they think there is sex at the end of the journey.

We are seeing some of that now playing out with young men taking on either more isolationist rejection of that game because of what I believe to be an oversupply of sex, be it cheap easy sex itself or an abundance of pornography, or they are trying to shape themselves into what they think women will allow close to them which takes the form of the hypomascluline (as opposed to hypermasculine) lesser threat male who agrees with her and doesn't pose a sexual threat.

But I assure you, he does. He might have turned himself into a "break in case of emergency" box of sex but he is still there.

Not healthy for that young man in my opinion. Not all that positive for society either but fortunately we don't care much about young men otherwise we might really get anxious about what it's contributing to.
A really excellent response. You're too smart for this place.

I recently had to iron out the patriarchal guilt bullshit that the insane aspects of contemporary feminism had imprinted on a bright young bloke. He was totally unaware that it was a subjugation power play. Patriarchy? I had to point out to him that it's the thing radical women want to absorb & control. They need it to exist in the first place in order to utilize it for their own means.
 

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My take is that people would understand each other a lot better if they started looking at themselves as just another highly sophisticated animal with inherent behavioral traits, because that's just a fact.
It would be alot easier if idiots like you, who should know better, didn't misuse terms like Alpha and Beta....
 

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The take away from what I was saying should be that women will reinforce behaviours and qualities in young men and young men are pattern monsters who pick up on them really well.

Young women can train young men to be whatever they want through their sexual selection process.

We've been the controlling influence behind the success of the human race since humans started pair bonding. We have decided what qualities are rewarded and valued. Men just dance to the tune we play because they really don't care as long as they think there is sex at the end of the journey.
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A really excellent response. You're too smart for this place.

I recently had to iron out the patriarchal guilt bullshit that the insane aspects of contemporary feminism had imprinted on a bright young bloke. He was totally unaware that it was a subjugation power play. Patriarchy? I had to point out to him that it's the thing radical women want to absorb & control. They need it to exist in the first place in order to utilize it for their own means.
:D :D:D


Respect Taylor. Well done.
 

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The take away from what I was saying should be that women will reinforce behaviours and qualities in young men and young men are pattern monsters who pick up on them really well.

Young women can train young men to be whatever they want through their sexual selection process.

We've been the controlling influence behind the success of the human race since humans started pair bonding. We have decided what qualities are rewarded and valued. Men just dance to the tune we play because they really don't care as long as they think there is sex at the end of the journey.

We are seeing some of that now playing out with young men taking on either more isolationist rejection of that game because of what I believe to be an oversupply of sex, be it cheap easy sex itself or an abundance of pornography, or they are trying to shape themselves into what they think women will allow close to them which takes the form of the hypomascluline (as opposed to hypermasculine) lesser threat male who agrees with her and doesn't pose a sexual threat.

But I assure you, he does. He might have turned himself into a "break in case of emergency" box of sex but he is still there.

Not healthy for that young man in my opinion. Not all that positive for society either but fortunately we don't care much about young men otherwise we might really get anxious about what it's contributing to.
I don't agree with the over supply of real sex occurring (porn and prostitution is a different story). The data suggests that only the top 20% of "desirable" men get anywhere on Tinder. Whereas the old days of taking home a drunk woman from the bar was easier than the "dance monkey dance" routine of succeeding on dating apps vs her 300 other options.

I met my fiance and baby-mamma on tinder, but it was a serious numbers game that took a lot of time and effort to find someone who was after more than validation.
 

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I don't agree with the over supply of real sex occurring (porn and prostitution is a different story). The data suggests that only the top 20% of "desirable" men get anywhere on Tinder. Whereas the old days of taking home a drunk woman from the bar was easier than the "dance monkey dance" routine of succeeding on dating apps vs her 300 other options.

I met my fiance and baby-mamma on tinder, but it was a serious numbers game that took a lot of time and effort to find someone who was after more than validation.

All males have to do to adjust their sexual success rate is acknowledge hypergamy and design strategies around it.
 

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I don't agree with the over supply of real sex occurring (porn and prostitution is a different story). The data suggests that only the top 20% of "desirable" men get anywhere on Tinder. Whereas the old days of taking home a drunk woman from the bar was easier than the "dance monkey dance" routine of succeeding on dating apps vs her 300 other options.

I met my fiance and baby-mamma on tinder, but it was a serious numbers game that took a lot of time and effort to find someone who was after more than validation.
I'm not sure your body knows much difference between porn and a girlfriend. The validation patterns in your brain work similarly
 

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