Player Watch Jordan De Goey (Part 2)

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Andrew Yoa

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He's already checked out. Have you been watching?
He is done. Stick a fork in him.
The quicker the club realises he ain't the person you want to build a Football team around the better. People compare him to Dusty, but let's be honest, he is an average footballer that does great things from time to time. A little like Jack Watts, plenty of ability but never comes to fruition.
Move him on while he is still worth something. No chance in hell would I offer him above $400k.
 

Andrew Yoa

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Atm a first rounder in the teens, he’s on around 750k till end of next season. A pick in the teens doesn’t really set us up, but the salary cap space is nice.
The problem is if we were to trade him we would be forced to pay some of his wages. Just like Treloar and the Doggies.
Our football department needs a good kick up the ass. De Goey and Grundy have both been Average once signing big contracts. I'd be offering 2-year contracts and no more. It seems signing players on long term deals ruins their form.
 

Ugene41

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The only way we can get value out of him is if he leaves for free agency next year and someone pays him enough for a first round comp. If were expected to finish bottom 4 that's a top 5 pick.

I also think he's a victim of our shiteful game plan that gives our forwards no chance. He did get 6 clearances in the middle but he's definitely a forward. Just doesn't rack up the disposals needed as a full time midfielder.
 

sr36

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I saw the replay of the game this afternoon.To me he looked very sluggish and lethargic.Perhaps I’m drawing a long bow here,but maybe he was still suffering the after effects from the concussion he had two weeks ago?This was clearly the worst game he’s played all year,so it might be some explanation for his performance.
Like Elliott last year, he seems to lose explosiveness when he plays too much midfield.
 

stormskye

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Sep 24, 2019
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The problem is if we were to trade him we would be forced to pay some of his wages. Just like Treloar and the Doggies.
Our football department needs a good kick up the ass. De Goey and Grundy have both been Average once signing big contracts. I'd be offering 2-year contracts and no more. It seems signing players on long term deals ruins their form.
Agree, which is why I’ve said previously let him go at FA. Someone will overpay and we will get compo.
One thing Wright needs to do is adopt hawks salary approach. I’m sure he will. And no contracts longer than 3 years
 

Scratchy05

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Sep 16, 2020
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Mate Callum Brown is easily in the worst 5 players in the comp and has the least effect of any player in the comp. He can't stick a tackle, can't kick, loses every one on one and just always gets tackled or slows play down.
Well if callum brown is in the top 5 worst players in the comp, Jordan De Goey is in the top 10. And btw, everyone on this sub underrates Callum. No star but tries hard.
 

stormskye

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Well if callum brown is in the top 5 worst players in the comp, Jordan De Goey is in the top 10. And btw, everyone on this sub underrates Callum. No star but tries hard.
Precisely why we sit bottom 2. We need elite players. C brown tries hard, but he’s not an afl level player, he has far to many weaknesses
 

Scratchy05

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Precisely why we sit bottom 2. We need elite players. C brown tries hard, but he’s not an afl level player, he has far to many weaknesses
He can try as hard as he likes, he's still terrible
Champion Data have him ranked as our 9th best player. He is far less sh*t than people give him credit for. He makes very little mistakes (although doesn't take many risks) and is a high pressure player. Obviously we want more but we don't have more. I am fine for actually leaving players info the time being that try as opposed to guys like De Goey who look disinterested and don't care.
 

gouki88

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Champion Data have him ranked as our 9th best player. He is far less sh*t than people give him credit for. He makes very little mistakes (although doesn't take many risks) and is a high pressure player. Obviously we want more but we don't have more. I am fine for actually leaving players info the time being that try as opposed to guys like De Goey who look disinterested and don't care.
Ah well, if Champion Data say it is so then it must be!
 

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Scratchy05

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Ah well, if Champion Data say it is so then it must be!
They're far from perfect, like they overrate certain stats such as hit outs to advantage and miss out on actual 1 on 1 value at times but iff hampion Data rate him in our top 10 and everyone here thinks he is in the bottom 10 players in the comp, most likely he is somewhere in the middle.
 

stormskye

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Champion Data have him ranked as our 9th best player. He is far less sh*t than people give him credit for. He makes very little mistakes (although doesn't take many risks) and is a high pressure player. Obviously we want more but we don't have more. I am fine for actually leaving players info the time being that try as opposed to guys like De Goey who look disinterested and don't care.
You are missing my point. If we want to become a flag threat, he cannot and is not a best 22 player. He’s one along with many we need to replace. Mccreery who was our last pick is already offering more than brown after 3 games. Says enough
 

Kappa

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Oct 7, 2014
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Champion Data have him ranked as our 9th best player. He is far less sh*t than people give him credit for. He makes very little mistakes (although doesn't take many risks) and is a high pressure player. Obviously we want more but we don't have more. I am fine for actually leaving players info the time being that try as opposed to guys like De Goey who look disinterested and don't care.
didn’t champion data also rank Cox as elite or some sh*t?
 

Scratchy05

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You are missing my point. If we want to become a flag threat, he cannot and is not a best 22 player. He’s one along with many we need to replace. Mccreery who was our last pick is already offering more than brown after 3 games. Says enough
We currently arent a flag threat though and he is a best 22 player and he is only 22-23 so we should keep giving him games IMO. Other forwards are currently worse than him who have been given games like Trey Ruscoe and again, I'd argue De Goey so for the time being, I would rather him than someone else.
 

Scratchy05

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didn’t champion data also rank Cox as elite or some sh*t?
Yeah, the issue with Champion Data is they value doing nothing too highly which I'l admit benefits Callum Brown. Like for an example, Mason Cox is veryvaluable for his 5 touches so Champion Data perceive his impact to be high whereas the real problem is he is only touching it 5 times a game. Callum Brown suffers from something similar as he often does a lot more right than wrong with his 10 touches a game, and champion data see that as valuable but when in reality, he needs to be getting 15 touches on a consistent basis to truly provide value.
 

stormskye

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Yeah, the issue with Champion Data is they value doing nothing too highly which I'l admit benefits Callum Brown. Like for an example, Mason Cox is veryvaluable for his 5 touches so Champion Data perceive his impact to be high whereas the real problem is he is only touching it 5 times a game. Callum Brown suffers from something similar as he often does a lot more right than wrong with his 10 touches a game, and champion data see that as valuable but when in reality, he needs to be getting 15 touches on a consistent basis to truly provide value.
And kicking goals.
 

Seedsfan

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Absolutely no way we will trade DeGoey would be a massive mistake. You can’t expect him to dominate overnight in the middle. It will take time
 

peter9789

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Absolutely no way we will trade DeGoey would be a massive mistake. You can’t expect him to dominate overnight in the middle. It will take time
He's not in the untouchable bracket in my mind - but that would be the case for most of our list presently. In any case, his current salary demands versus his output would turn off any suitors. Not sure we could demand much for him - probably we could wish for a late first round with some picks going back the other way.

Just way too inconsistent.
 

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