Jordan vs Kobe

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i am sick of listening to these commentators keep saying that Kobe is the equal of jordan, what a load of crap, when will these people understand there is only 1 Jordan and there will never be anything like him ever again, i just don't get where these people are coming from, Kobe isnt even in the same league as jordan and its an insault to suggest otherwise, Kobe never would of won 6 rings at Chicago with the team Jordan had, lets stop this carp please, MJ the king forever.
 

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looking with two eyes is always better than one.

raw talent kobe is there with him, jordans legacy will never surpassed....



no need for this thread btw!
 

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Actually I agree with Varcoe, I look at MJ and his legacy, and he always came up big, esp in the finals ...
Also MJ hasn't ever lost a finals series whilst at the Bulls, and Kobe's already lost one, perhaps soon to be 2, at the lakers ...

IF anything I reckon Lebron James is the one player that could be equal to MJ one day, not Kobe ..
 
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I couldnt believe my ears when Mark Jackson said it was no longer Ali (MJ) V Larry Holmes (Kobe) and that now its Ali v Ali.....as much as I rate Kobe as one of the best shooting guards the game has seen, he is nowhere near MJ in terms of statistics, leadership and pure genius.

Put it this way, MJ in his prime would have got the Lakers over the line today.
 
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The career comparison showed how much better Jordan was.

5.1 ppg more
3 more rings
4 more MVP's

And they used this comparison to show how close they are, Kobes the 2nd best sg ever IMO but along way off Jordan for the time being.
 

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The career comparison showed how much better Jordan was.

5.1 ppg more
3 more rings
4 more MVP's

And they used this comparison to show how close they are, Kobes the 2nd best sg ever IMO but along way off Jordan for the time being.
To be fair though, at Kobe's age Jordan "only" had:

2 rings
3 MVPs

Also, Kobe's ppg is skewed because he entered the league as an 18 year old and was a bench player his first 2 seasons. If you took those out it'd be closer (but Jordan would still have it comfortably).

The biggest reason Jordan will (and should) always win this debate is that he physically dominated his competition. I don't know who was more athletically gifted in objective terms (it's probably pretty close), but against 80's competition, Jordan looked like Superman. Kobe, though very athletic, doesn't have the same advantage against current competition.
 
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Actually I agree with Varcoe, I look at MJ and his legacy, and he always came up big, esp in the finals ...
Also MJ hasn't ever lost a finals series whilst at the Bulls, and Kobe's already lost one, perhaps soon to be 2, at the lakers ...

IF anything I reckon Lebron James is the one player that could be equal to MJ one day, not Kobe ..

dont know about that
 
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Would Jordan have been as dominant if he played in this era as opposed to the 80's and 90's? He stood out like a beacon in his era but today there are so many athletically gifted players..Jordan will probably always have the edge but i think the gap is definitely closer than some people on this board think..
 
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Would Jordan have been as dominant if he played in this era as opposed to the 80's and 90's? He stood out like a beacon in his era but today there are so many athletically gifted players..Jordan will probably always have the edge but i think the gap is definitely closer than some people on this board think..
That is a very very good point, but when people like to discount Chamberlain from the argument they use the exact same argument to their favor - saying he was ahead of his time and wouldn't stand a chance in todays game. But they neglect to point out the similar argument for jordan in todays game, although he would stand a chance IMO. but the principle of the argument is the same.
 

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If late 80's/early 90's Jordan played in this era he'd average about 50ppg.

No hand checking FTW.
The defenses weren't nearly as strong though.

There's a reason hand-checking was disallowed a few years ago - defenses were getting progressively better to the point that they began to overshadow the offensive side of the game.

Check out the ppg from those years compared to now.
 
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one of the more rediculous comments on this site... its just not possible - only one man has, and it will stay at one man!
He averaged 37 in the late 80's, with much harder defense and hand checking - I see no reason why he couldn't score more in today's competition.

Personally I think Kobe is the most skilled player I've ever seen - and he's an athletic freak. But Jordan was a better athlete, and probably the best slasher of all time, the most clutch player of all time and the most fierce competitor.
 
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He averaged 37 in the late 80's, with much harder defense and hand checking - I see no reason why he couldn't score more in today's competition.

Personally I think Kobe is the most skilled player I've ever seen - and he's an athletic freak. But Jordan was a better athlete, and probably the best slasher of all time, the most clutch player of all time and the most fierce competitor.

i suppose it all comes down to what attributes we think the 'best' player needs. I think there is not doubt Kobe is more skilled than MJ. MJ had it all rolled into one, but kobe is not far away from him on this. but you cant argue when people say jordan multiple mvp, multiple nba champion, finals mvp, dpoy, named in top 50 of all time - the list goes on But when you talk clutch, some can say Robert Horry is better, or Rasheed Wallace is more fierce, Its the fact that they arent as skillfull as mj that makes it appear less impressive.

Its an age old argument of who is the best of all time, it will continue for many years to come. I'm not one to say there is one man who is the best. MJ, Kobe, Wilt, Bird, Kareem, Magic, bla bla bla were all dominant in their era. MJ was the most in his era, Kobe is the most dominant now. Its all we can do - is say who was most dominant in a certain era, we cannot compare players from different era's, we can try, but it will get us nowhere, there are too many variables
 

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Hmm people forget how brilliant Jordan was ..

He dropped 63 points in the best defensive team in the 80's (Boston) on their home turf in the playoffs ..

I just don't think Kobe had that edge to win mentality that MJ had, the best pro-sports athlete I've ever seen ..;
 
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Hmm people forget how brilliant Jordan was ..

He dropped 63 points in the best defensive team in the 80's (Boston) on their home turf in the playoffs ..

I just don't think Kobe had that edge to win mentality that MJ had
, the best pro-sports athlete I've ever seen ..;
im sick of people using team based stats when comparing players. MJ had a better side than kobe has now - or his TEAM has a better mentality to win. Its a team game, i don't care how good people think one player is, he cannot win a game single handedly.
 
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Hmm people forget how brilliant Jordan was ..

He dropped 63 points in the best defensive team in the 80's (Boston) on their home turf in the playoffs ..
And the Bulls LOST the game.

I just don't think Kobe had that edge to win mentality that MJ had, the best pro-sports athlete I've ever seen ..;
Maybe not quite to the extent of MJ, but Kobe is as deadly as anyone else apart from MJ has been.

I kind of expected you, specifically you, to underestimate LA after Boston won the first two - because you don't know much about anything. Trust me though, this series is far from over, and Kobe is still by far the best player in the league.
 
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And the Bulls LOST the game.



Maybe not quite to the extent of MJ, but Kobe is as deadly as anyone else apart from MJ has been.

I kind of expected you, specifically you, to underestimate LA after Boston won the first two - because you don't know much about anything. Trust me though, this series is far from over, and Kobe is still by far the best player in the league.

oh please do be right!
 

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i don't care what anyone saids, if Jordan was playing for the lakers now there is no way in hell he would lose this series and thats a fact plain and simple, jordan wasn't interested in losing finals, and tell me this, no way in the world Jordam loses a finals playing along Shaq like Kobe did, gees what a joke of a comparision, kobe isnt in the same ball park as Jordan and never will be.
 
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i don't care what anyone saids, if Jordan was playing for the lakers now there is no way in hell he would lose this series and thats a fact plain and simple, jordan wasn't interested in losing finals, and tell me this, no way in the world Jordam loses a finals playing along Shaq like Kobe did, gees what a joke of a comparision, kobe isnt in the same ball park as Jordan and never will be.

so the other 23 active players in the game have no influence on the game, thanks for pointing that out. I'm one of the confused basketball fans who thinks the best TEAM wins
 

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If late 80's/early 90's Jordan played in this era he'd average about 50ppg.

No hand checking FTW.
You are way off your rocker if you think the defense in the 1980s was a patch on what we see today. Sure the cheapshots were dished out at a higher rate, but the defensive rotations of today and a mile more advanced than what we saw back then.

As for the actual topic, of course there is no comparison. Jordan absolutely terrorized the competition for 6 seasons in which the Bulls were champions. Kobe would have to match that feat.
 
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You are way off your rocker if you think the defense in the 1980s was a patch on what we see today. Sure the cheapshots were dished out at a higher rate, but the defensive rotations of today and a mile more advanced than what we saw back then.
You might be right about the rotations, but with no hand checking there would simply be no stopping Jordan getting to the rim time and time again. Agreed?
 

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Michael Jordan was and is the best player I have ever seen. Period.

Kobe is a great player, but I'm sorry, he is not in the same stratosphere as Michael Jordan.

I don't care what statistics say (and they favour MJ anyway), there is the whole package that was Jordan. The skill, the fight, the clutch, the charisma, the wow, the athleticism, the impossible, the greatness and the aura.

For a stretch of 6-8 years he WAS the NBA, and almost everyone on the planet knew (and knows) who he was/is.

And I agree with someone earlier, the only one who has a chance to be really "like Mike" is LBJ.
 
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