Would be good to revive that one if it were the case
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MY biggest concern moving forward is that the club does actually do the right thing to support Josh.
I still remember Matthew Richardson annuncing the clubs "ambitious" goal to achieve 3 flags in 5 years plus a host of other things that frankly are secondary to winning flags. https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/863094/strategic-vision-chasing-greatness
In 2021 we had a coaching panel comprising of:
Ken
Michael Voss (senior assistant)
Nathan Bassett (forwards/team offence)
Brett Montgomery (backs/team defence)
Jarrad Schofield (midfield)
supported by:
Matthew Lokan, Chad Cornes, Trent Hentschel and Tyson Goldsack
Since that point we have lost all four of the primary assistants, and basically replaced with two in ternal promotions in Cornes and Goldsack and Josh Carr. Of that group, only Josh could be talked about in the same sort of coaching integirty as Voss/Bassett/Montgomery/Schofield. If we accept Carr is on a par with those 4 assistants, we have effectively replaced one asistant like-for-like and replaced the other 3 with downgrades.
My question is: If you are going to open your mouth and talk about chasing greatness, do you not also have to open the cheque book and ensure that you have the pieces in place to perform the chase.
Clearly Josh takes the role with less 'senior' coaching experience (ignore thoughts on Ken for a second), so the club really needs to be ensuring he has 'all' the pieces around him that he needs ... if the club is not doing this then its not honest about chasing greatness.
I'm unsure of contract situations on existing coaches, but to me if Chad is contracted his best role is SANFL coach and possibly on the bench relaying instructions on match day - I think we really need to inject 3 high calibre assitants in a single swoop including a senior assistant or "mentor" or whatever you want to call it. I just cant see the club doing that.
I still remember Matthew Richardson annuncing the clubs "ambitious" goal to achieve 3 flags in 5 years plus a host of other things that frankly are secondary to winning flags. https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/863094/strategic-vision-chasing-greatness
In 2021 we had a coaching panel comprising of:
Ken
Michael Voss (senior assistant)
Nathan Bassett (forwards/team offence)
Brett Montgomery (backs/team defence)
Jarrad Schofield (midfield)
supported by:
Matthew Lokan, Chad Cornes, Trent Hentschel and Tyson Goldsack
Since that point we have lost all four of the primary assistants, and basically replaced with two in ternal promotions in Cornes and Goldsack and Josh Carr. Of that group, only Josh could be talked about in the same sort of coaching integirty as Voss/Bassett/Montgomery/Schofield. If we accept Carr is on a par with those 4 assistants, we have effectively replaced one asistant like-for-like and replaced the other 3 with downgrades.
My question is: If you are going to open your mouth and talk about chasing greatness, do you not also have to open the cheque book and ensure that you have the pieces in place to perform the chase.
Clearly Josh takes the role with less 'senior' coaching experience (ignore thoughts on Ken for a second), so the club really needs to be ensuring he has 'all' the pieces around him that he needs ... if the club is not doing this then its not honest about chasing greatness.
I'm unsure of contract situations on existing coaches, but to me if Chad is contracted his best role is SANFL coach and possibly on the bench relaying instructions on match day - I think we really need to inject 3 high calibre assitants in a single swoop including a senior assistant or "mentor" or whatever you want to call it. I just cant see the club doing that.
I'm a big fan of James Hird the player but not James Hird the coach.
He's dodgy and I don't remember him being that good of a coach.
So a no from me.
He's dodgy and I don't remember him being that good of a coach.
So a no from me.
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I just hope that Josh is canvassing potential assistant coaches all through this year to try and get a decent backup system for when he starts!
And that the club is eyeing off a decent mentor for him.
Otherwise, why even bother?????
If we think the current flawed and unsustainable game plan is hi-diddle-dum-diddly, you beaut, wouldn't change a thing perfect - then I'm not getting my hopes up
And that the club is eyeing off a decent mentor for him.
Otherwise, why even bother?????
If we think the current flawed and unsustainable game plan is hi-diddle-dum-diddly, you beaut, wouldn't change a thing perfect - then I'm not getting my hopes up
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James Hird is an arrogant toss bag that sat in the media, doing post game analysis of everything Knights did at Essendon. Hird would point out what Knights got wrong then state what needed to be done to correct it. And just decided that Jimmy's decisions would work out as he planned.
He then got a gig coaching. And his decisions didn't work out. The Bombers would lose. Then Jimmy got together with Bomber and Dean Robinson and they decided that everyone else must be cheating. Because there's no way that Jimmy was getting it wrong in his coaching.
So they decided to cheat themselves. And justified it as "everyone else must be doing it, because otherwise we wouldn't be losing".
Yeah thats totally what we need at the club.
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He will push the envelope and challenge the list; this is what we need, move out of the Daddy protect everyone era…
If James Hird is an arrogant toss bag, where does that leave Koch and Hinkley in the conversation?
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All of this happened well over a decade ago. Is it at all possible that he may have learnt something in the intervening time?
No. Where has he done the work that would indicate any of that? Has he worked as an assistant at a club? Demonstrating some greater understanding of the game compared to last time?
Nope, he's just signed on as a media pundit and done exactly the same shit he did before.
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Went overseas and did an MBA during his suspension in 2014. Has been working in funds management. Was an assistant at GWS in 2022 when Mark McVeigh was caretaker. Currently Director of Coaching at Port Melbourne in the VFL.
He's got a mountain load of experience both inside and outside of football and there's absolutely no doubt he'd be a better version of himself than he was during his time at Essendon which once again is over a decade ago now.
If he was genuinely interested in returning to the AFL system I'm sure there would be a number of clubs happy to have a chat.
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Those are some names eh. 4! senior coaches. Now it would be totally reasonable to suggest none of our support staff would get a job anywhere else.
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What do you mean learn from your past mistakes?
Haven't you heard, when you make a mistake in the 21st century, you are hung, drawn and quartered by the social media keyboard warriors who are absolutely perfect - so perfect I'm sure they are an expert in being experts.
Hulk Hogan, brother.
why can’t we target someone like Luke Hodge, have we’ve gone back to the days where we have no ambition with who we can target and are going to settle for 2026 equivalent of laidley on Skype?
What don’t we have now that we had in 2013,14 and 15 when we targeted and got Richardson, Walsh and Voss?
A gig being Carr’s right hand man senior assistant/midfield coach leading the likes of Butters, JHF, Rozee and potentially NWM in a more affordable and in my biased opinion a much nicer city than Melbourne may be a really enticing proposition to the right guy.
We just need to ask the question, cast the net out far and wide.
But someone like Hodgey would be ideal with Carr.
What don’t we have now that we had in 2013,14 and 15 when we targeted and got Richardson, Walsh and Voss?
A gig being Carr’s right hand man senior assistant/midfield coach leading the likes of Butters, JHF, Rozee and potentially NWM in a more affordable and in my biased opinion a much nicer city than Melbourne may be a really enticing proposition to the right guy.
We just need to ask the question, cast the net out far and wide.
But someone like Hodgey would be ideal with Carr.
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My old AFL Record Season Guide books are in storage so I've had to depend on web archive but I think the chart below is correct as who has been Hinkley's main assistants. There are a whole lot of development coaches that may have spent time in the coaches box on game day but I haven't listed them.
2013 season was Pre Merger/Reunification so that's I didn't put Ken McGregor down as SANFL coach.
2020 and Covid, Scott Thompson was axed after doing the preseason and Rd 1 game and Port and the crows weren't allowed to play in the SANFL, so as to restrict AFL players playing against SANFL players. In 2021 his position wasn't replace.
Other lines shaded with grey means nobody was appointed to that position.
I have replaced the original graphic with one colouring individuals who have changed jobs whilst at Port to more easily pick up those changes.
2013 season was Pre Merger/Reunification so that's I didn't put Ken McGregor down as SANFL coach.
2020 and Covid, Scott Thompson was axed after doing the preseason and Rd 1 game and Port and the crows weren't allowed to play in the SANFL, so as to restrict AFL players playing against SANFL players. In 2021 his position wasn't replace.
Other lines shaded with grey means nobody was appointed to that position.
I have replaced the original graphic with one colouring individuals who have changed jobs whilst at Port to more easily pick up those changes.
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I'd love to get Hodge, he's exactly the type of leader we need, tough, leads from the front, knows a winning culture, been in two systems, well respected. If he was even in the slightest bit interested in coaching you'd have to pursue it hard.
I'd love to get some sort of similar semi recent player from the leadership team of a successful club. Someone who doesn't tick as many boxes but still has shown he can be a leader in a winning team would be someone like Cotchin. His brief media stint was a bit of a boring shitshow so maybe he's easier to grab? Selwood would also be a target but I find him unlikely.
If possible I would like to see people like, Schofield, Montgomery, Francou, Dew around Carr
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Hodge or Selwood, that type for the midfield. Hard, uncompromising, winners.
I've listened to his analysis recently on the Football Show Youtube and haven't come away that impressed.
He talks well but I haven't heard anything of real depth or something that has made me see something in a different light.
From the way he talks, it doesn't surprise me that his coaching years at Essendon went the way they did.
Schofield back would be awesome.
Mate the names your putting up are most probably better candidates for the head coach job than they guy we are going with.
Bottom line is they won’t come to Adelaide for an assistants job.
Also the club runs on a cheap Charlie budget, you get what you pay for.
One thing is for sure Carr will need someone to seriously challenge his thinking.
Having hinkly at the helm staring dumbfounded into space is something we need to get rid of for good!
Having hinkly at the helm staring dumbfounded into space is something we need to get rid of for good!
RussellEbertHandball
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What can we offer Paul Roos to come and be Carr's mentor for 12 months??
Is he living in Hawaii or Melbourne - or both - these days?
Is he living in Hawaii or Melbourne - or both - these days?
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