Contracted Josh Dunkley [OOC 2022, requested a trade to Essendon, didn't get there]

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HirdsTheWord

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Exactly right. Which is why it was entirely reasonable of the dogs to ask for 2 first rounders in order for us to be "happy" to let Josh go with 2 years still to run on his contract.
Your logic shows the fallacy of your argument that he wasnt worth 2 first rounders. Your club was trying to wrestle him away from his current employer who didnt want to lose him. Your club had to make his current employer happy. Instead you managed to make him publicly commit to a change and then wouldnt negotiate beyond what was clearly a winning position for you. Like for like wasnt good enough in this instance (and of course no guarantee that 1 first rounder would equate as another Josh), Bombers had to offer up enough for us to be happy to see him go. The "potential" of two guns, like wines/heppel/haynes would have been enough. The 50/50 chance that 1 pick offered, against the guaranteed product which is jOsh was simply not good enough to pry him loose.
You consistently fail to acknowledge that Essendon had to make Bulldogs happy for this to happen ie meet our demand which never changed by all reports. Refusal to do so was just sh*t from Dodo.
really not interested in this circular argument that I have specially said numerous times in my posts......

The dogs were MORE than entitled ask for a stupid price for Dunkley, just like Essendon are MORE than entitled to walk away at said stupid price.

This is the problem you don't seem to get, Essendon didn't fail anything, they would have told Dunkley what their limit was in trying to get him, that limit was clearly reached and both parties walked away pretty happy imo. You don't have to get deals done based on just principle. If the price is too much than walk away.
 

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really not interested in this circular argument that I have specially said numerous times in my posts......

The dogs were MORE than entitled ask for a stupid price for Dunkley, just like Essendon are MORE than entitled to walk away at said stupid price.

This is the problem you don't seem to get, Essendon didn't fail anything, they would have told Dunkley what their limit was in trying to get him, that limit was clearly reached and both parties walked away pretty happy imo. You don't have to get deals done based on just principle. If the price is too much than walk away.
The opposite to this has been reported
 

HirdsTheWord

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The opposite to this has been reported
Dogs kept their player and Essendon go to draft with 3 top 10 picks? Unsure who you think is upset?, I have seen no reports of anyone being upset about it?

Dunkley might have had the shits when it fell through but even he admitted he knew there was a chance the trade might not happen so it is what it is? Like I said Essendon would have told him what they were willing to give up to get him, prior to him nominating us. I very much doubt Dunkley would have known Dogs would have put that kind of price on his head.

I don't even think Essendon & Dogs even started taking about a trade until Dunkley nominated. I think up until that point the dogs were telling us to get lost completely.
 
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Treloar could have been Harry McKay and Jarrod Berry/Jy Simpkin and 800k spare for a free agent. The value in high cost trades just isn’t there.
Sure, but he could also just as easily have been Matthew Kennedy and Daniel Venables. And we've seen what Collingwood do with free agent money (Chris Mayne, Daniel Wells, Dayne Beams). The value in high cost trades IS there, for the right players ie. Lachie Neale.

I reckon you are probably pretty spot on, dogs would have told us to GAGF until Dunkley made the request to leave.

Once that happened dogs probably told us what they wanted which was ridiculous enough that it was never really going to happen.

At the end of the day I blame JUH - if it wasn't for him Dunkley would be ours!!!
I know this is a little tongue in cheek but regardless of JUH, I highly doubt we'd have accepted 7 and a future 2nd for a 2-year contracted Dunkley.

I'd have been ropeable if we did.

It's a bit of a diversion from the topic at hand, but I am really bemused that I keep reading this statement.

This years draft is commonly considered to be throwing darts blindfold, because the players have not had the chance to show their stuff in their draft year - a year when many of the best blossom and stand out from the pack as physical maturity and player development kick in.

In light of that, how on earth do we so confidently predict that kids another year younger are going to be a super draft?
The other thing he keeps insisting on posting is the 2 x top 10 picks bullshit. No one has said that. The Dogs said 2 GOOD FIRSTS. That's all. Stop saying things that simply aren't true.

I very much doubt Dunkley would have known Dogs would have put that kind of price on his head.
I call further bullshit.
 

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The other thing he keeps insisting on posting is the 2 x top 10 picks bullshit. No one has said that. The Dogs said 2 GOOD FIRSTS. That's all. Stop saying things that simply aren't true.
Dodoro said when interviewed that the Dogs asked for pick 8 and our future 1st.

You could argue that Essendon's future first wouldn't be a top 10 pick, but I doubt many would agree.
 

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Dodoro said when interviewed that the Dogs asked for pick 8 and our future 1st.

You could argue that Essendon's future first wouldn't be a top 10 pick, but I doubt many would agree.
And I'm sure that probably would have been our opening to negotiate, like how Dodo started with pick 8 only.
 

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I call further bullshit.
You honestly think Dunkley would have known the dogs would ask for 2 x Top 10 picks for him? Name me one other player in the game that has gone for that price who hasn't even won a single AA.

I seriously doubt that.

Also I'm not sure why you keep thinking the dogs didn't ask for 2 top 10 picks? Dodoro said they wanted Pick 8 and our future first, which will be a top 10 pick. Surely you can let this go now....Unless you think dodo has reason to lie?
 
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Sure, but he could also just as easily have been Matthew Kennedy and Daniel Venables. And we've seen what Collingwood do with free agent money (Chris Mayne, Daniel Wells, Dayne Beams). The value in high cost trades IS there, for the right players ie. Lachie Neale.
Lachie Neale was a single first rounder. A lot but not close to mortgaging their future after they had taken six players inside the first round in the last three years.
 

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You honestly think Dunkley would have known the dogs would ask for 2 x Top 10 picks for him? Name me one other player in the game that has gone for that price who hasn't even won a single AA.

I seriously doubt that.

Also I'm not sure why you keep thinking the dogs didn't ask for 2 top 10 picks? Dodoro said they wanted Pick 8 and our future first, which will be a top 10 pick. Surely you can let this go now....Unless you think dodo has reason to lie?
I think Dodoro has every reason to lie. Makes him look a hell of a lot better that he didn't "give up the farm" for a player the Dons badly need instead of actually trying to acquire him for a "fair price", as people love to say for some reason. And I'm sure they probably did initially ask for those picks. For the same reason Dodo offered pick 8 to start. If he's gonna start with a stupidly low valuation of course we'd say that. Negotiating with Dodo 101.

Had you split pick 8 for Geelongs 15 and 20 (or whatever they were) and offered next years first and 15 (or possibly even 20) then I'd be pretty confident that would have been accepted.

At the end of the day neither of us know what happened with negotiations, but seeing as Dodo's final offer was 7 and 2021 second and that came VERY late, doesn't sound like he tried very hard to negotiate and get the player across the line. ESPECIALLY knowing that the two clubs didn't even communicate about the deal for 2.5 days.

And yes, Dunkley would be stupidly naive to think it wouldn't be a very large price. When was the last time a player requested a trade with 2 years left on his contract? Did he / Pickering talk to Power and Beveridge at all? They'd have been told pretty quick smart if they did.

Lachie Neale was a single first rounder. A lot but not close to mortgaging their future after they had taken six players inside the first round in the last three years.
He also did not have two years left to run on his contract and had the threat of Restricted Free Agency behind him for the move. I'm sure if the circumstances demanded two firsts then that would have been paid. Like I said, for the right players.
 

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I think Dodoro has every reason to lie. Makes him look a hell of a lot better that he didn't "give up the farm" for a player the Dons badly need instead of actually trying to acquire him for a "fair price", as people love to say for some reason. And I'm sure they probably did initially ask for those picks. For the same reason Dodo offered pick 8 to start. If he's gonna start with a stupidly low valuation of course we'd say that. Negotiating with Dodo 101.

Had you split pick 8 for Geelongs 15 and 20 (or whatever they were) and offered next years first and 15 (or possibly even 20) then I'd be pretty confident that would have been accepted.

At the end of the day neither of us know what happened with negotiations, but seeing as Dodo's final offer was 7 and 2021 second and that came VERY late, doesn't sound like he tried very hard to negotiate and get the player across the line. ESPECIALLY knowing that the two clubs didn't even communicate about the deal for 2.5 days.

And yes, Dunkley would be stupidly naive to think it wouldn't be a very large price. When was the last time a player requested a trade with 2 years left on his contract? Did he / Pickering talk to Power and Beveridge at all? They'd have been told pretty quick smart if they did.



He also did not have two years left to run on his contract and had the threat of Restricted Free Agency behind him for the move. I'm sure if the circumstances demanded two firsts then that would have been paid. Like I said, for the right players.
you are a very pessimistic person than rofl. pretty sure if dodo lied than the dogs would correct it..........

there is no way on earth Dunkley would think he would go for the largest price on recorded history for a player that has not won a single AA. If he did he would be even more staggered that he cant get into the midfield.

The only person i can even think of is treloar but even that trade had a 2nd rounder going back.

bizzare
 

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He also did not have two years left to run on his contract and had the threat of Restricted Free Agency behind him for the move. I'm sure if the circumstances demanded two firsts then that would have been paid. Like I said, for the right players.
No chance in hell would they have paid two first rounders for him. Much like Dunkley isn't worth the asking price.
 

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At the end of the day neither of us know what happened with negotiations, but seeing as Dodo's final offer was 7 and 2021 second and that came VERY late, doesn't sound like he tried very hard to negotiate and get the player across the line. ESPECIALLY knowing that the two clubs didn't even communicate about the deal for 2.5 days.
Because Dodoro and Guy were pretty confident (rightly or wrongly) that the Dogs would accept the three-way trade for Treloar and Dunkley that Guy spent days putting together while Dodoro was busy with Saad and some other stuff.

When that fell through both the Treloar and Dunkley deals had to be renegotiated independently – one got done, and one didn't.
 

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Because Dodoro and Guy were pretty confident (rightly or wrongly) that the Dogs would accept the three-way trade for Treloar and Dunkley that Guy spent days putting together while Dodoro was busy with Saad and some other stuff.

When that fell through both the Treloar and Dunkley deals had to be renegotiated independently – one got done, and one didn't.
Dogs said for days that the deals would be separate.

Dodo didn't listen because he wanted Dunkley cheap which was the basis of a 3 way trade
 

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The other thing he keeps insisting on posting is the 2 x top 10 picks bullshit. No one has said that. The Dogs said 2 GOOD FIRSTS. That's all. Stop saying things that simply aren't true.
I call further bullshit.
I think Dodoro has every reason to lie.
So you get proven wrong, then move to start accusing others of lying. How pathetic.
 

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If Essendon and Dodoro knew all along the Dogs would not budge on their asking price, why did they try not target some other player on the market who could have helped their team (IE Ben Brown) ?
The Dogs were clear from the get go about the asking price for Dunkley, he has a good draft hand, but I believe Dodoro was a bit negligent on not trying to do other deals to make their team better (even Jason McCartney admitted The Giants were close to letting Caldwell walk to the PSD due to Dodoro's obstience)

Finally, club's will be very reluctant to trade star players to Essendon in future (especially under contract) unless Dodoro starts becoming more flexible and reasonable to deal with.

History will say that Essendon would have had pick 3 this year (either McDonald or Hollands) if he just traded Daniher to the Swans last year.
 

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If Josh still truly wants out next trade period the doggies should be accepting a first rounder and some change. 2 firsts is overs and holding a player against his will for anything more than a year i dont see the point. Hell eventually leave the year after and u most likely get less for him
in compo.
 

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If Josh still truly wants out next trade period the doggies should be accepting a first rounder and some change. 2 firsts is overs and holding a player against his will for anything more than a year i dont see the point. Hell eventually leave the year after and u most likely get less for him
in compo.
Club is backing themselves in to retain him .. josh himself has said it feels good that the club really wants him so i wouldn't be saying he is gone yet
 

Ah12

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Rubbish statement

Dunkley will see plenty of midfield minutes next year. The club has also told him just that
How? Is libba done? Macrae back out to a failed wing? Bont mainly fwd? Would love to see him get big midfield minutes i just dont know how it happens
 

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