Most of the people who can Fraser don't look deep enough to sheet the blame home where it belongs. Squarely on Malthouse's shoulders for forcing him into first ruck duties virtually unsupported.
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Josh Fraser
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Surprised Mick thought he needed a ruckman at all
History should look upon Josh Fraser as a very good footballer who for ten years never got any help. Malthouse destroyed him. Would have made an excellent second ruck. We needed a dinosaur in first ruck.
Imagine how many flags the Pies would have won if Damien Monkhorst was 15 years younger!!
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Can you say MM came to his senses when it comes to having a decent ruckman when he recruited Jolly?
I could say that MM showed some mercy to Josh when he recruited a big bodied ruckman, instead of forcing a slight bodied tall bloke to do a job his body simply wasn't built for.
Took him ten years to come to his senses. By that stage it was too late for Josh.
soyouthink10
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on a not completely seperate issue, the guy couldnt play footy.
soyouthink10
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he was a very very average player. regardless of how many average games he played his total sum was very very average.200+ games and couldn't play?
Thanks for your input. . .
Very very average players don't get to play 200+ games anywhere, anytime.
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Yep. He gets shafted because he wasn't a dominating ruckman but he just never got the chance.
Fraser was the test case for guys like Ryder, Kreuzer, Leuenberger etc. What teams learned very quickly through Josh though was that they need protection. It's not like a young mid or KPP who can play a little more on the outside to protect themselves. Ruckmen get smashed. Sometimes 50 times a game they will jump face first into each other or grapple on the boundary line in a test of strength, and this isn't even counting the fact they are expected to take marks pushing forward/back as needed by their team.
Anyone who thinks that Fraser couldn't play is just being ignorant. Was he the best ruckman going around? No BUT he had that potential when drafted and if he had guys like Jeff White and Jason Ball protecting him for the first 5-6 years of his career like Darren Jolly did then maybe he could've lived up to it.
Fraser was the test case for guys like Ryder, Kreuzer, Leuenberger etc. What teams learned very quickly through Josh though was that they need protection. It's not like a young mid or KPP who can play a little more on the outside to protect themselves. Ruckmen get smashed. Sometimes 50 times a game they will jump face first into each other or grapple on the boundary line in a test of strength, and this isn't even counting the fact they are expected to take marks pushing forward/back as needed by their team.
Anyone who thinks that Fraser couldn't play is just being ignorant. Was he the best ruckman going around? No BUT he had that potential when drafted and if he had guys like Jeff White and Jason Ball protecting him for the first 5-6 years of his career like Darren Jolly did then maybe he could've lived up to it.
Coming from someone who has a picture of glen "shin boner of the millennium" archer in his av, it's a bit of a cop out.
Sure fraser was no star, but he was very serviceable. A bit like your overrated idol.
Agreed a lot of ignorant hate for the poor bloke, he did his job manfully against much bigger opponents and got smashed from pillar to post for years with no protection.
Auger Martel
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Sorry, no. If Collingwood didn't have him, then they would have never got as far as they did in the early 2000s. He was their only real ruck option and considering all the punishment he took without any support, he did an admirable job for his time at the pies both in the ruck and kicking key goals.
Hindsight is a brilliant thing looking back but he was very far from a disgraceful choice as the 1st pick.
Geez Fraser, Presti, Beams all did the same thing. It's pretty harsh of Collingwood fans to throw this guy under the bus for this. If they are unhappy with his output when playing that's a different story.
And don't get me started on Archer ........... a glorified thug nothing more!
It is no surprise that Jolly was recruited shortly after Bucks joined as an assistant coach.
Fraser was a very average tap ruckman in the middle but around the ground was an aerobic beast, equal to Jeff White in his prime.
Very few ruckman would keep up with him and that was the part of his game in where he gave Collingwood a lot of value.
Cousin of Daicos
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Given I always blamed Malthouse for ruining Josh Fraser, this doesn't surprise me.
a) Josh was never really a true ruckman. He was the prototype for what we now have as the forward/ruck role
b) Even if he was a true ruck, you dont throw him into the role at f**king 17-18!
a) Josh was never really a true ruckman. He was the prototype for what we now have as the forward/ruck role
b) Even if he was a true ruck, you dont throw him into the role at f**king 17-18!
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TheBrownDog
Leigh Brown and Michael Doughty say hi.
Don't know about Doughty but Leigh Brown just happens to own a premiership medallion
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TheBrownDog
Don't know about Doughty but Leigh Brown just happens to own a premiership medallion
Aaron Keating says hi.
Give it a rest sunshine your bias can't alter the facts that you are defaming a man through total ignorance of his situation.
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TheBrownDog
I'm not defaming Fraser. The only person I'm attacking is you and your stupid post. Plenty of average players have played 200 games and won premiership medals.
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