Josh Hazelwood in the 14-man 3rd Test Squad

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2 changes.

Out: Quiney and Pattinson
In: Watson and Starc

Dont change it around to much. Just do the changes that are required and lets play! Siddle will be fine.
 

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they clearly don't know who will actually be in a fit state to bowl by game day so they've covered all bases. however the only way i see hastings playing is if hilf, watson and siddle all can't bowl and they want 4 seamers. this seems unlikely. but given the game's in perth they had to prepare for anything while picking the squad
 

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If they pick Johnson it will be pretty unbelievable. He was dropped because he was woefully inconsistent. To pick him based on one good performance is crazy.

Also the next person I see whinge about NSW bias gets banned.
Oh right, so we cant discuss selection on the cricket board and that some states seem to be favoured at the selection table?

What a joke. Players from some states get picked without even one good performance, or with bowling averages of 70+ and we cant discuss that but we can complain about Johnson being picked after one good performance.
 

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The problem is, as Pattinson, Beer, Lyon, Marsh, Holland & Maxwell have proven in a range of formats over the past 2 years, the act of picking a player based less on performance and more on just how they play the game (eg good technique, etc) is not restricted to NSW players. It does however happen to more to NSW players because NSW produce a greater amount of players. But it's by no means restricted to just NSW players. You can certainly talk about how unfair it is that Hazlewood, Pattinson & Lyon are being picked in Australian squads without even taking a FC 5 wicket haul (I have a huge distaste to it, made all the worse by it being successful to boot) but going on about how it's NSW bias when it happens to a NSW player is almost akin to trolling. All it does is reduce the quality of cricket discussions and inflame passions on here. Being picked without much on the board can happen to a player from any state. Attack the policy of rewarding players without putting runs/wickets on the board instead of attacking the state those players come from.
 

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If they pick Johnson it will be pretty unbelievable. He was dropped because he was woefully inconsistent. To pick him based on one good performance is crazy.

Also the next person I see whinge about NSW bias gets banned.
You can't be serious mate, is this a discussion board or what?
 

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Well I did say I'd have Bird in the side...? Also, Hastings didn't get all his wickets in the his last 5 games, he has been a good bowler for a few years now. I think he got the nod because of his batting. Would be a handy number 8. Same for Johnson.

If everyone is fit I'd go

Warner
Cowan
Clarke
Ponting
Watson
Hussey
Wade
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfy
Lyon
Starc will play before Johnson.
 

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It sure is. Constantly whinging about fake 'NSW bias' stifles good discussion.

Anyway, no more talk about it, it's derailing the thread (which is as much my fault).

How about that Hastings?
Whinging and discussion are often similar things, and to make the distinction on a board such as Bigfooty is, in my eyes, a bit rich. But anywaaaayyyyyyy.....
 

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I'd have Heazelwood replace Hilfenhaus. One of the quicks needs a rest, given their workload in the heat in Adelaide. Siddle's been good, not to mention tough, Hilfenhaus ordinary and we wouldn't miss him, so it's the latter.

Warner
Cowan
Watson
Ponting (who I would've retired)
Clarke
Hussey
Wade
Hastings
Siddle
Starc
Heazelwood
Lyon 12th man
 

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It sure is. Constantly whinging about fake 'NSW bias' stifles good discussion.

Anyway, no more talk about it, it's derailing the thread (which is as much my fault).

How about that Hastings?
At least he is performing unlike Hazelwood. just because they mark you as a future Australian opening bowling at the academy doesn't mean that you should be given an armchair ride there over blokes who are busting their gut for it and taking wickets in SS.
 
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I doubt the selectors could've come up with a more uninspiring group of back up bowlers.

Haven't seen much of Hazelwood but his stats this season don't appear to indicate a player in form. However he does have the advantage of being based in the largest media/commercial market in Australia so there's no shortage of people to pump up his tyres.

Is Hastings the bloke with the Jacob Oram style action (and lack of pace) that was briefly seen in our ODI team? Jeez I realise our first choice quicks are all injured/exhausted but we're scooping up the dregs now.

As for Mitch Johnson, sorry but I don't trust him. After 2 years of garbage test performances he needs to spend the entire SS season bowling well and then I might consider him for a tour but even then you'd hope our best quicks have regained fitness.

Cutting and Bird deserve to picked on form to join Starc (assuming Siddle is too knackered to play).
 
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ok, i dont know what hazlewood did to justify a position, but you could argue the same with cummins when he was pick. as for hasting i think he is purely in to bowl into the wind (as backup if Hilf/siddle dont come up) but Bird would probably be a better choice for that. Johnson well the last time he played at home he was shocking but his one good test was at the WACA. Starc has to come in for patto that's the only lockin for me atm.
 

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Cummins was pretty obviously a Test class bowler from the moment he played a first class game. Not a potential Test class bowler either. And he was picked on an away tour, after the squad had toured two countries and suffered injuries.

Its not the same as being picked ahead of every other quick in Australia, during the Australian summer, when you average 40+ with the ball.
 
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pat cummins has played a total of 4 first class games, so dont think he was pick on form or got on the SA tour on form alone. With hazlewood its obvious they see something in him, not many represent their state at 17 and australia at 19 (as opening bowler). injuries over the last few years hasnt helped him
 

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I'll go on the record as saying Hazlewood is 'surer' thing than Cummins. Perfectly possible that Hazlewood will crash and burn and be out of the game by 25 and Cummins takes 500 wickets though
 

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I doubt the selectors could've come up with a more uninspiring group of back up bowlers.

Haven't seen much of Hazelwood but his stats this season don't appear to indicate a player in form. However he does have the advantage of being based in the largest media/commercial market in Australia so there's no shortage of people to pump up his tyres.
the loss of harris has hurt a lot. when fit he is a gun. sad :(

i agree with the bolded bit, but its not his fault of course. i havent seen much pumping of his tyres, but i stand to be corrected. you watch foxsports (based in sydney - they have journos from the telegraph, and experts in the field from nsw of course), or even national syndicated news programs they always rise in the pant region when talking about their own. its human nature. it's not just cricket either, basketball is all about the kings, a-league is sydney this sydney that. but that's for another topic.
 

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There's a far greater link between Aussie Rules players who were talented cricketers than Rugby League players who were talented cricketers. All the classics like Brown, Goodes, Bartel and Ball. But even at Essendon, over the past few years we've drafted Jake Carlisle and Nick O'Brien - hardly household names/talents - who were talented junior cricketers. It's a huge drain for cricket and it's why they should be more worried about Aussie Rules moving into Western Sydney than Rugby League.
Understood - thanks for the info on this and Hazelwood. Much appreciated.
 
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