Traded Joshua Schache (2015-2017)

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The Lion ’on par’ with star Hawks at same age
NEW Brisbane coach Chris Fagan says the AFL world needs to be patient with second-year forward Josh Schache. The Pick 2 from the 2015 AFL Draft, Schache booted 16 goals in his first 17 games as a Lion, before being rested for the final three rounds of the 2016 season.

Fagan said Schache’s numbers were reflective of what the top young key forwards usually tended to achieve in their first season. “Young forwards take a long time to develop,” Fagan told AFL Tonight. “If you look at Josh’s numbers and you compare them to guys like Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead, he’s on a par with what those guys were at when they first started.”

In his first season, Schache averaged 8.7 disposals, 4.0 marks, 1.2 contested marks, 1.4 marks inside 50 and 0.9 goals per game. In comparison, Franklin averaged 10.7 disposals, 3.8 marks, 0.5 contested marks, 1 mark inside 50 and 1 goal per game in his 2005 debut season. Roughead averaged 11.4 disposals, 4.1 marks, 0.4 contested marks, 0.4 marks inside 50 and 0.4 goals per game in his debut season, also in 2005.

Fagan said fans needed to let the young forward develop, rather than pin their hopes on him. “Fortunately for us, Josh has come to our club but given Brisbane’s lack of success, perhaps he’s been promoted too much as the great hope,” he said. “I think it’s best if we all just settle down and let him develop and I think in time he’s going to become a really good player. “But all we’re expecting this year is that he’s going to improve. He cops the best defender each week, that’s a big ask for an 18-19-year-old lad. “But in time he’ll develop strategies to work his way through that and we think he’ll become a great player for the club.”

Fagan said it was unlikely Schache would spend time in the NEAFL, so long as his form continued to justify a first-team spot. “I think he’s a talented player, he should play as many games as he can in the AFL,” he said. “The only reason he’d be playing in the NEAFL is if his form was not up to it.”
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Richmond eye Brisbane Lions forward Josh Schache, as contract talks wait

Brisbane young gun Josh Schache is holding off on a contract extension with the Lions as he prepares for mammoth offers from Victorian clubs to lure him home, with Richmond leading the way.

The Tigers, who have plenty of room in their salary cap, see Schache as the perfect player to build their forward line around for the next decade.

Carlton have also made an inquiry, and will ramp up their pursuit if he remains unsigned midway through the year.

It is believed Schache, 19, could fetch $700,000 per season from rival clubs trying to pry him out of Queensland.

In demand: Josh Schache had a superb start to his AFL career last year. Photo: Getty Images
Brisbane remain adamant he will stay and have made it clear to Schache's management that money will not be an issue.

But the club's attempts to open discussions on a new deal have hit a road block, with Schache's management wanting to wait until later in the year to continue talks.

Justin Leppitsch, who is now an assistant at Punt Road under Damien Hardwick, was close to Schache in their year together at the Lions, and may prove a pivotal figure in the Tigers' chase of the key forward.

Schache, taken at pick two behind Carlton's Jacob Weitering in the 2015 national draft, had a superb start to his AFL career last year.

Taking the opposition's No.1 defender in most of his 16 games, the 199-centimetre smooth mover showed his class, kicking 16 goals.

With the Lions in the middle of regenerating their list under new coach Chris Fagan, keeping hold of their most talented youngster is at the top of their priority list.

But with free agency inflating the market, gone are the days where first- and second-year players re-sign straight away without testing the waters.

Carlton moved to sign Weitering on a four-year contract extension in September last year, pulling him away from the grip of circling clubs. But Schache, who hails from Seymour in Victoria, poses more of a challenge for the Lions, given the lure of returning home.

If he decides to entertain offers, Richmond remain the leading candidates.

And although the Blues have invested heavily in Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow and Jack Silvagni, their list is crying out for another key forward.

Ideally, the Blues see Curnow as a midfielder, while Silvagni, at 191cm, is more of a medium forward.

McKay, who kicked four goals in a VFL practice match last week, is yet to make his senior debut after an injury-plagued 2016.

With Drew Petrie moving on and Jarrad Waite 34 years old, Schache would seem a good fit at Arden Street, but North Melbourne are busy hunting a big-name midfielder with their war chest of salary cap space.

While the Kangaroos are believed to be one of several clubs closely monitoring Richmond star Dustin Martin, they are also making a bold play for Greater Western Sydney young gun Josh Kelly.

Having missed out on stars Dan Hannebery and Adam Treloar recently, the Kangaroos are desperate to land a big fish.

They also offered Sydney's Isaac Heeney a six-year contract worth about $5 million.

Schache missed Brisbane's winning start to the season with an ankle injury, and the club is hopeful he will return to football this week, but it may be through the NEAFL.
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Take this with whatever grain you wish. Stumbled across a conversation last night with a mate who'd had recently met one of Laurences old best mates from his football days in SA. He believes Josh won't stick around, due to family not the dollars.
Hoping we can have a good year and sway him. Not real confident though after hearing this.
 
Don't tell me he's another one of those soft ***** that needs to be my Mummy's side. How convenient, another AFL player that needs to grow a set.

AFL players; just about the only professional sports people globally that need to be close to family :rolleyes:
 
I could not wait to get away from my family. Or was it the other way round?
 
a mayes ing said:
"But the club's attempts to open discussions on a new deal have hit a road block, with Schache's management wanting to wait until later in the year to continue talks. "

Well thats never good...
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I'm fairly confident....Not the only young forward out of contract at season end...Why wouldn't you sit back and wait...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-07/exclusive-players-in-line-for-bumper-pay-rise

Interest is the price tag on a guy in his 5th year.. as to the suggested/proposed offer of another just entering his second

Daniher is into his fifth season with the club and is its main key forward, with some rival list managers suggesting his next long-term deal could be worth between $600-700,000. The 23-year-old said this week the contract was far from the front of his mind.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-01/daniher-kicks-on-with-contract-not-front-of-mind
 
Josh Schache will tell Brisbane if he will stay or leave during the club’s bye week

BRISBANE is expecting an answer from Josh Schache at the bye break about whether he stays or returns to Victoria.

The Lions remain in the dark about the prized - and out-of-form - key forward, but have been consistently assured by Schache’s manager David Trotter major talks would held on Brisbane’s bye weekend, which is in two weeks.

It is a deadline of sorts for Schache and if he says he still hasn’t made up his mind, the Lions might have to begin list planning without him.

Trotter told the Herald Sun Schache had yet to make a decision.

“He needs time at the moment,’’ he said.

“To be honest, Josh is dealing with a few things in terms of form and some personal things he’s trying to work on.

“It means he’s not ready to commit at this stage.’’

As speculation continues about the Seymour teenager, Trotter also dismissed media reports he was shopping around Schache at an asking price of $3.5 million over five years.

Trotter labelled the reports as “irresponsible’’ and “inaccurate’’.

Schache, 19, is out of contract at the end of the season has been linked to several clubs.

“I understand the interest in him, big key forward, early pick, Brisbane, but some of the reports out there there are really irresponsible,’’ Trotter said.

“What’s been reported that we’re asking for $3.5 million over five years ... that number has been plucked from thin air because that has not come form us.’’

Trotter spoke to ease pressure on Schache.

“The pressure he is under, he's not ready to make a decision yet,’’ he said.

“He’s not fully comfortable and it’s only making it harder on him all this speculation, the abuse he’s copping for it, from fans, social media, all these pressures which people don’t realise these young boys are under.

“He’s 19, it’s Round 9, he’s not sitting here at Round 22 and not made a decision.’’

He accepted there was interest in Schache’s future.

“We don’t like running commentary on contracts but this one has got out of hand,’’ he said.

“There’s literally not been a dollar amount spoken with any club and we have not taken an offer from any club.

“We’ve been asked the question about Josh, what’s he doing, where’s he at, which is the same questions asked about other players we have out of contract.

“The conversation hasn’t gone any further with clubs.

“I’m telling clubs that until his mindset changes, it might be three of four weeks, it might be later, he might stay in Brisbane, but at this stage he’s not ready to make that call yet

“All these rumours don’t help.

“There’s even been a club which has been mentioned, and I won’t say which club, but this club is leading the race for him. I can say that club has not made one inquiry about him.

It’s understood that club is one of three - Richmond, Carlton or Collingwood - who had been linked to Schache in media reports.

Schache is a horrible form slump and is likely to be axed from the senior team this weekend.

If Schache does declare to the club he wants to leave Brisbane, the Lions would likely ask for two first-round picks as a trade.
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Brisbane Lions' Josh Schache set to be dropped, Lions resigned to losing him

Highly touted Brisbane forward Josh Schache is set to be dropped for Saturday night's clash with Adelaide, with the club believing the constant speculation surrounding his future is affecting his form.

His pending omission comes along with revelations that Richmond have met Schache's management, as the Tigers step up their pursuit of the star teenager.

The Lions are now privately resigned to losing a player they invested heavily in, taking him at pick No. 2 in a national draft held less than 18 months ago.

Fairfax Media understands that senior officials, including coach Chris Fagan and head of football David Noble, believe Schache's form has been affected by constant speculation over him returning home to Victoria.

Schache is out of contract at the end of the year and has held off negotiations with Brisbane, despite the Lions' repeated attempts to offer him a long-term deal.

The Tigers are the only club to have met specifically about Schache, with Carlton and Collingwood, who have previously been linked to him, still monitoring the situation.

GM of football talent Dan Richardson confirmed to Fairfax Media that the Tigers have made their intentions known.

"We've met with [Schache manager] David [Trotter] but we haven't met with the player directly, nor do we think that's appropriate at this time of year, but we are monitoring the situation as it unfolds," Richardson said. "There is no offer on the table."

While the Tigers and Schache's management are adamant an offer is yet to be tabled, the fact they have met about him less than halfway into the season has angered Brisbane.

If Schache does leave Brisbane at season's end, he would be the latest on a growing list of highly rated players to leave the Lions, a problem that continues to plague the embattled club.

Sam Docherty, Jared Polec and Elliott Yeo all left in the space of two days in 2013 and are now playing starring roles for their new clubs.

James Aish came fourth in the 2014 Rising Star award behind Lewis Taylor, Marcus Bontempelli and Luke McDonald and then struggled in 2015 amid talk he was considering a move to Victoria, before ultimately moving to his preferred destination of Collingwood.

Players leaving Queensland clubs – particularly Brisbane – have become such a problem that part of the new CBA negotiations included a push from the AFL that first round draft picks should be forced to spend at least three years at their initial club, instead of the current two.

Brisbane triple premiership coach Leigh Matthews recently referred to the Lions as a "pit stop club" on 3AW while watching Docherty put in another dominant display in the Blues' round seven win over Collingwood at the MCG.

The comment did not go down well at AFL headquarters, and was mentioned when league chief Gillon McLachlan flew to Queensland last week to meet the Lions and the state government over the club's proposed new facility.

McDonald Sports and Talent Management on Wednesday denied reports that Schache will be providing the Lions with a decision whether he'll stay or go during the bye period in two weeks.

Trotter will be having a one-on-one meeting with Schache during the period but a decision on the player's future is more likely to be towards the end of the season.

In his 23 AFL games, Schache has kicked 22 goals, including six this year. He's yet to kick more than two goals in a game.

He was quiet on the weekend, collecting just eight disposals and three marks against Hawthorn in a game where he failed to hit the scoreboard.
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How soft can you get.

You'd hate to be a man and go and forge a life of your own.

Lucky Schache is an AFL footballer because he'd never have made it in most other sports if he had to move away.
 
Jonathan Brown says Brisbane must offer Josh Schache big money deal to stay at the Lions

BRISBANE great Jonathan Brown believes the Lions should pay young forward Josh Schache as much as $700,000 per season from next year to stop the trend of top picks departing the club.

Schache is out of contract at the end of the season and there is speculation he could be headed home to Victoria, with Richmond, Collingwood and Carlton already linked to the former No.2 draft pick.

The 19-year-old could be offered a mega multi-year deal to leave Brisbane.

When asked whether Brown would pay Schache $700,000 per season to stay at the Lions from next season, the triple premiership star said: “Yeah, because you’ve got to break the cycle.

“That might be the going rate.

“Brisbane cannot be seen as a destination where players can just walk out because we know first-round draft picks, they’ve virtually got free agency because they can leave.

“At the end of the day, $600 (thousand) probably gets it done.

“If he is so homesick and he definitely doesn’t want to play in Brisbane well, a million bucks probably doesn’t get it done.”

Schache was dropped for Saturday night’s clash with Adelaide after struggling for form, having booted just six goals from six games so far this season.

He is averaging only 8.5 disposals and just over three marks per game.

Schache also struggled in the NEAFL over the weekend, managing just one goal from four disposals.

If he leaves, he would join a long list of Lions to depart for other clubs including Sam Docherty, Elliott Yeo, Jared Polec and James Aish.

“You can’t have these players leaving,” Brown said on On The Couch.

“Pay them the money, keep them happy ... you’ve got to pay it to someone. Pay (Dayne) Beams, keep Rockliff there, he’s been in All-Australian (form).

“I’d pay him (Schache), I’d pay (Eric) Hipwood, I’d pay (Harris) Andrews, (Daniel) McStay.

“It comes back to the psyche of the kid. If he’s happy up there and it’s where he wants to play (then pay him).

“It seems like a happy club up there, all reports people are people are happy and Chris Fagan is doing a great job.

“I’m confident they’ll be having a crack at keeping him.”

The Herald Sun reported last week Schache could inform the Lions of his intentions for next season during the club’s bye.
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If it were only about money he would have been re-signed by now.
 
In-demand Lion Josh Schache granted leave to head home

THE BRISBANE Lions have given young forward Josh Schache "a few days" leave amid his second-season struggles.

The out of contract 19-year-old was dropped to the NEAFL at the weekend where he had just four disposals.

Schache has returned to his home in Victoria.

Lions football manager David Noble told AFL.com.au the club was managing the workload of the former No.2 draft pick, just as it did with top 2016 draftee Hugh McCluggage two weeks ago.

Noble said the decision to grant Schache some time off had nothing to do with reports the young forward had been given time off to decide on his future amid interest from Victorian clubs including Richmond.

"I can categorically deny it, that's bulls**t," Noble said.

"There's been no deadline given. We're talking to Josh's manager every few days but there is no timeframe whatsoever."

The Lions will speak with Schache on Thursday to monitor his recovery and decide then whether he will return to Brisbane immediately to play at the weekend, or stay in Victoria a few extra days.

The 19-year-old had kicked six goals in his six games this season before being relegated to the NEAFL.

He is the target of a number of Melbourne clubs, led by the Tigers, who have confirmed meeting Schache's manager.
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Lions must break recycable cycle
The recent spate of commentary on Josh Schache’s deliberations over his future and the clear attempts by management to leverage a better deal presents the Lions’ next big test. Their first deliberation should be what they think he is really worth as a player. That’s the price.

I’ve heard it said the Lions can’t afford to lose another first-round draft pick. Does anyone think the loss of Tom Boyd, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Lachie Plowman, Adam Treloar, Caleb Marchbank and Jonathan O’Rourke has cost the Giants?

Every time GWS loses a high draft pick, they go back and load up with more talent. Brisbane is in the box seat with Schache. If he goes, they trade for picks. I’m not saying Schache should be pushed out the door.

Key forwards don’t grow on trees. However, I can’t see another club offering him $700,000 a season and there is no way Brisbane should consider anything close to that.
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Dylan12 said:
Lions must break recycable cycle
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"I’ve heard it said the Lions can’t afford to lose another first-round draft pick. Does anyone think the loss of Tom Boyd, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Lachie Plowman, Adam Treloar, Caleb Marchbank and Jonathan O’Rourke has cost the Giants?"

Our situation and the Giants situation is not even slightly comparable...
 
lionshine said:
"I’ve heard it said the Lions can’t afford to lose another first-round draft pick. Does anyone think the loss of Tom Boyd, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Lachie Plowman, Adam Treloar, Caleb Marchbank and Jonathan O’Rourke has cost the Giants?"

Our situation and the Giants situation is not even slightly comparable...
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Yep. Hammo showing what a totally uneducated watcher of the game he is. Does he think we wouldn't like a top end free agent? Can he identify any who want to come to us? Does he realise how many first round picks the Giants have and how few we have? Does he realise that in return for the players they lost the Giants got genuine quality picks in return and we got steak knives and crumbs? He knows nothing and yet says he can't see another club offering $700k for Schache. His opinion on the topic is about as valid as his assessment of our predicament. What a tool.
 
SizeMatters said:
I thought Hammo turned it around last year as a footy journo but this article is so out of touch. Poor form.
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Agreed, but the underlying genesis that we've got to stop recruiting spuds like Bell and Bastinac in favour of better players (of course, easier said than done) Hammo was on the money.

In terms of comparing our predicament to GWS is absurd, so I can see why people are questioning Hammo's article.
 
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