Judd or Ablett?

[Top_4_Tiger]

People have short memories.

Chris Judd was talked about as possibly the greatest player of all time as he won the premiership for West Coast.

An 80% Judd is equal to a 100% Ablett.

A 100% Judd is breathtaking.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Ablett by the length of a black man.

Ablett is even better than Judd was in his prime, let alone now that Juddy is struggling.

 

[Joey Bungle]

As far as i can tell the choice is obvious, yet Garry Lyon actually put Judd ahead of gazza on Footy Classified last night.

Because Garry Lyon is an idiot who knows nobody watches the shit (like me) so nobody can see him MAKE a ________ AGAIN of himself.
Someone told me several weeks ago, Lyon said Ablett & Franklin were the best.
How his agenda has changed?

 

[Skeppersap]

people forget just how good judd was and still is! he was a machine the best first 100 games ever played by anyone! when fully fit you have to choose judd he is so much more explosive then ablett! Ablett gets a huge amount of ball fed to him from marks from his team mates. Judd at his best gets the ball from the pack and explodes out of it!
At this very moment on form of course you pick ablett he will win the brownlow! but of what they have achieved to so far and consistency over there whole career judd wins hand down!
Judd is still only 24, Ablett is 25 and judd has been doing it since day dot!

Did you just make up 'facts' to support your argument? The players birth dates:

Gary Ablett Jr - May 14 1984
Chris Judd - September 8 1983

No doubt Judd has achieved more, but that could well be changed by the end of this year. Ablett should win the Brownlow. If he doesnt, it just shows that the Brownlow is not a good indicator of who is better, because Ablett SHOULD have won it last year. Dont get me wrong, I was extremely happy for Jimmy Bartel who is a worthy Brownlow Medallist, but Ablett was more deserving. Everyone who follows Geelong closely would acknowledge this. Every other award went to Ablett!

Also, the Judd name earns him awards. TBH, he probably didnt deserve the Norm Smith in WCE GF loss. Roberts-Thompson was best on ground. Judd got it because he was named Judd.

Awards aside, my biased opinion is that Abletts form in the past 1.5 years is eclipsing what Judd ever produced.

Ablett just needs to keep going for more years and he will end up being the better player. Judd did it from a phenomenally early age, which Ablett didnt do. Going by his bloodlines and how his dad developed late, I feel that Ablett hasnt peaked yet. he will one day make a brilliant forward.

Oh yeah, and I bet Ablett costs a ____load less!

 

[BigKegs]

Judd was a super player because he was bloody quick and had an awesome side step. Quick players will always attract more attention even if they are crap players. Judd at his peak was breathtaking to watch because he had exception evasive skills, could burn grass and could kick goals. Ablett is not as quick nor is he as agile but overall he is more entertaining because he doesn't rely on pace. The fact that he is so hard to tackle and has better skills than Judd. Judd relies alot on pace and agility to break loose whereas Ablett (apart from his strength) just somehow finds a way to handball it infront of him or something arsey of that nature.

Having said that, Judd did carry the WCE and achieved alot during that time. Ablett is a late boomer so we wont know who is better until the end of their careers. This could be another Hird Vs Voss Vs Buckley Vs Ricciuto debate.

 

[WorthTheWaite]

Eagles Judd >>>>> Gary Ablett >>>>>> Carlton Judd

I'm inclined to agree with this, but I think your use of ">" is excessive.

If Judd was 100% I would take him, but right now I would take Ablett on playing ability.

 

[wce4premiership]

Judd.

 

[JDC!]

Right now the best out of the two is Ablett. But I would take Judd at his best over Ablett most days of the week. If Judd didn't get injured last season, he would have won the Brownlow by a record margin - not that that means much considering Ablett was robbed of a couple of votes last year. Both players are extremely hard to tackle.

 

[TheSwoopingMagpie]

Ablett.
Judd seems too injury prone, and doesn't look as if he'll ever full recover from his OP if he keeps playing through niggles like he is now.

Ablett is an absolute machine, the core strength of that guy amazes me everytime I see him play. And his stamina is up there with Judd, don't doubt it.

You also have to remember that Ablett is part of a Geelong midfield featuring Bartel Corey Ling and Selwood, so it isn't exactly easy for him to get 30 touches week in-week out.

 

[WorthTheWaite]

You also have to remember that Ablett is part of a Geelong midfield featuring Bartel Corey Ling and Selwood, so it isn't exactly easy for him to get 30 touches week in-week out.

And Judd didn't have the likes of Kerr, Cousins, Embley et al to contend with?

In any case, you could also look at it in the sense that it means opposition teams have to worry about more players and Ablett becomes less of a focal point than if he was the sole star. Also, it means he has better players around him to get the hard-ball and draw other players into the game/be in the right spot for the handball receive/shepherd etc, so it makes his job easier.

Not taking anything away, just saying that we don't "have to remember" anything, because there are two sides to every coin.

 

[Monkeyboy]

Judd. The king of the contested possession.
But Ablett is very very good!

 

[TheSwoopingMagpie]

And Judd didn't have the likes of Kerr, Cousins, Embley et al to contend with?

In any case, you could also look at it in the sense that it means opposition teams have to worry about more players and Ablett becomes less of a focal point than if he was the sole star. Also, it means he has better players around him to get the hard-ball and draw other players into the game/be in the right spot for the handball receive/shepherd etc, so it makes his job easier.

Not taking anything away, just saying that we don't "have to remember" anything, because there are two sides to every coin.

I disagree with you. Ablett always gets the hardest tag for obvious reasons, and when a side is playing Geelong and they tag someone, they really tag them. Ablett seems to shake these tags week in, week out and pick up non-contested touches and contested touches. He also has the capacity to kick 5 goals in a game and be a real match-winner.

Not that Judd can't win you matches

 

[Mean Muggin]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

 

[Skeppersap]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

hahahahaha, never a truer word has been spoken.

I laugh at all these Carlton supporters who all of a sudden, come trade period, started claiming that Judd was the best player in the land.

 

[donbooger]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

If Judd was still at WC, Murphy would have been mentioned a few times in this thread.

 

[Big Bad Sammus]

I love the comparison of a 80% fit Judd to a 100% fit Ablett. Im not taking anything away from Ablett, as he is clearly one of the best players in the competition, but lets go back to round 8 of last year.... Judd had 16 votes in the brownlow, polled in 8 consecutive games and then broke down. If he didnt it would have been the biggest avalanche ever seen. Give Judd a full pre-season and then re-assess.

Some people have short memories...

C. Judd (3 votes) is THE BEST inside player in the AFL - 16 contested posessions last weekend. An awesome talent not yet matched by anyone else in the league. I just can't wait until next season - boy it's goin to be a corker! Then I'd like to see where these poll's end up! (still, we are going to see alot of biased comments especially from Hawthorn supporters, but we're already used to that).

I am so with you on your entire post but I do have to say that Ablett and Franklin are currently the best at the moment respectively, with Judd right on their a$$es (at 75-80% fitness).

 

[Major Colvin]

I'd have to say Judd. Ablett is a brilliant player and I love watching him, but Judd has been brilliant since day one, Ablett needs to string a few of these seasons together.

 

[Big Nasty]

C. Judd (3 votes) is THE BEST inside player in the AFL - 16 contested posessions last weekend. An awesome talent not yet matched by anyone else in the league. I just can't wait until next season - boy it's goin to be a corker! Then I'd like to see where these poll's end up! (still, we are going to see alot of biased comments especially from Hawthorn supporters, but we're already used to that).

I am so with you on your entire post but I do have to say that Ablett and Franklin are currently the best at the moment respectively, with Judd right on their a$$es (at 75-80% fitness).

Thats Just rubbish & Carlton & Judd are just saying that because of all the hype & expectations on Judd this season. Watching him the last few weeks he is clearly back to his best.

 

[Cats!!]

People have short memories.

Chris Judd was talked about as possibly the greatest player of all time as he won the premiership for West Coast.

An 80% Judd is equal to a 100% Ablett.

A 100% Judd is breathtaking.

Firstly... Judd was never talked about as the greatest player of all time, he would not be mentioned in the same breath as Carey, Ablett Snr and Mathews.
And if Judd is 80% now then Ablett smokes him. Judd has been hyped up by the media this year and was extremely lucky to make the all-star game, as he made it on reputation.

 

[Quinz]

Judd 100% > Ablett 100% > Judd now.

So Ablett at this exact stage I guess.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Did you just make up 'facts' to support your argument? The players birth dates:

Gary Ablett Jr - May 14 1984
Chris Judd - September 8 1983

No doubt Judd has achieved more, but that could well be changed by the end of this year. Ablett should win the Brownlow. If he doesnt, it just shows that the Brownlow is not a good indicator of who is better, because Ablett SHOULD have won it last year. Dont get me wrong, I was extremely happy for Jimmy Bartel who is a worthy Brownlow Medallist, but Ablett was more deserving. Everyone who follows Geelong closely would acknowledge this. Every other award went to Ablett!

Also, the Judd name earns him awards. TBH, he probably didnt deserve the Norm Smith in WCE GF loss. Roberts-Thompson was best on ground. Judd got it because he was named Judd.

Awards aside, my biased opinion is that Abletts form in the past 1.5 years is eclipsing what Judd ever produced.

Ablett just needs to keep going for more years and he will end up being the better player. Judd did it from a phenomenally early age, which Ablett didnt do. Going by his bloodlines and how his dad developed late, I feel that Ablett hasnt peaked yet. he will one day make a brilliant forward.

Oh yeah, and I bet Ablett costs a ____load less!

Spot on, he won the Norm Smith on reputation, he won the Glendinning at least once on reputation, he's in the top 3 players in the AFL right now on reputation, he is nothing but a very good player at the moment, not a gun by any means, yet people are putting him above ablett?? Please. Ablett did some miraculous things on Friday night, and even though i wanted the Kangaroos to win the game so the Hawks could go a game up, i still wanted to see Ablett play and he didn't disappoint, did some breathtaking stuff that i've not seen anyone do before, bar Kouta 2000.

 

[Hodgepodge]

People have short memories.

Chris Judd was talked about as possibly the greatest player of all time as he won the premiership for West Coast.

An 80% Judd is equal to a 100% Ablett.

A 100% Judd is breathtaking.

80% Judd is about 7 contested possessions ahead of 80% Luke Ball.

 

[takeabowtredders]

If Judd is 80% right now then there is no way he is equal to Ablett.

Ablett is clearly the best midfielder in the competition with several light years in between him and the next in line. He is also probably the best player in the comp slightly ahead of Buddy. His ability to dodge tackles effortlessly, in my honest opinion, made him look better than Judd. He is almost untouchable these days, and if you do manage to grab him he gets rid of the ball immediately.

Obviously I'm a bit biased, but I still reckon that Ablett is currently better than Judd was at his peak, and when you watch him it's incredible. Ablett is pretty breathtaking as he is, and the best thing is that based on his form in the past 2 years, he hasn't hit his peak yet.

 

[Hodgepodge]

i don't know how 80judd gets mentioned as an elite at all, doesn't rate alongside ablett, franklin, brown, cooney and so on.

 

[Monkeyboy]

i don't know how 80judd gets mentioned as an elite at all, doesn't rate alongside ablett, franklin, brown, cooney and so on.

Probably because he has been the best player in the comp for the past 5 years, has had a major set back, and will re assume that position as comp best from 2009 onwards.

This year will be a little disppointing for Judd, but he will still poll 18 plus votes in the brownlow and make All Australian. So depending on how far your so on goes, he is very much elite.

Hodge aint thou!