Judd v Bartel

[Rockford]

Or maybe you aren't as bright as you think you are, And what does JImmy playing well against Collingwood have to do with it?, where did he come in the Brownlow?, how about the MVP?, did he even win his own BaF?, but everyone who disagrees with you is biased? Lol. Goddard syndrome mrk II

The "not as bright as you think you are" wasn't in response to you, I've no way of knowing whether it applies to you or not. The reason I discounted your opinion was your comment of Bartel not being fit to lick Judd's boot laces. Smacks of someone who's still a little offended.

If you read the rest of the thread you'll see how people have already responded to comments with regards to the Brownlow, the MVP etc.. I guess you just really need to watch more games and see the role that Bartel plays for his team. Fact remains, which player was better in the past is not necessarily the best indicator of which player would be best in your side in 2012 and beyond. For some people it seems, that's all they need.

 

[the distributer]

The "not as bright as you think you are" wasn't in response to you, I've no way of knowing whether it applies to you or not. The reason I discounted your opinion was your comment of Bartel not being fit to lick Judd's boot laces. Smacks of someone who's still a little offended.

If you read the rest of the thread you'll see how people have already responded to comments with regards to the Brownlow, the MVP etc.. I guess you just really need to watch more games and see the role that Bartel plays for his team. Fact remains, which player was better in the past is not necessarily the best indicator of which player would be best in your side in 2012 and beyond. For some people it seems, that's all they need.

Judd had the better year, also, if anyone in this thread thinks Judd was anywhere near fit after round 22 this year you probably should take up cricket, Judd>>Bartel, that isn't going to change anytime soon.

 

[Rockford]

also, if anyone in this thread thinks Judd was anywhere near fit after round 22 this year you probably should take up cricket

Exactly, the last time Judd had a season where he was fully fit was 2006. Why would you want the player in 2012 and beyond that is going to be broken down and unable to contribute at 100% at the pointy end of the season?

 

[blues4flag]

Exactly, the last time Judd had a season where he was fully fit was 2006. Why would you want the player in 2012 and beyond that is going to be broken down and unable to contribute at 100% at the pointy end of the season?

The last time Judd missed a game through injury was 2007. The only season in Bartel's career where he can claim to have been clearly better than Judd.

 

[Rockford]

The last time Judd missed a game through injury was 2007. The only season in Bartel's career where he can claim to have been clearly better than Judd.

Which is it then? Either he was fully fit and played quite ordinarily at the end of this season or he played injured. There's a difference between missing a game through injury and playing injured. Bartel wasn't fully fit when he played in the Grand Final, didn't seem to hinder him too much though.

 

[blues4flag]

Which is it then? Either he was fully fit and played quite ordinarily at the end of this season or he played injured. There's a difference between missing a game through injury and playing injured. Bartel wasn't fully fit when he played in the Grand Final, didn't seem to hinder him too much though.

I can't tell you. He claims he was fit but he moved as sluggish as I've ever seen him. Could have been well and truly burnt out after a long, grueling season. A new child and all that comes with it could have played a role in his form drop.

My point is, the fact he hasn't missed a game through injury while regularly being at worst a top 10 player in the competition over the past 4 years suggests he's more likely to have an impact in 2012 than Bartel is.

 

[Monkey King]

The last time Judd missed a game through injury was 2007. The only season in Bartel's career where he can claim to have been clearly better than Judd.

Yep. History suggests it would anomalous for Bartel to have a better 2012. Not to fear, similar to Goddard, when next season starts and footy rolls on, the players will naturally fall where they will as per usual.

 

[the distributer]

Exactly, the last time Judd had a season where he was fully fit was 2006. Why would you want the player in 2012 and beyond that is going to be broken down and unable to contribute at 100% at the pointy end of the season?

Don't get me wrong, Bartel is a star, he stands up in big games and is a fairly consistant performer, Judd is a superstar though who is also a big game player and stands up week in week out, injury is the only hope Bartel has of ever passing Judd IMO, i also rate Judd higher than Swan/Murphy and Pendles FWIW, obviously Pendles and Murph will overtake him eventually but i doubt they'll ever reach the heights Judd has.

 

[YGEMJGK]

Can I have both please, champions of the Elite order the two of them, love watching them both.

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

Lol...

 

[toeknee2]

Judd was just about the most dissapointing player of the finals; and Bartel just won a Norm Smith against some serious quality opposition.

Bartel shows up again and again, can play multiple roles and has shown himself to be a far more loyal character.

But most of all, I like Bartel. So he gets my vote.

better player management.
Judd is a better player than Bartel.

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

better player management.
Judd is a better player than Bartel.

Judd is a much much better player than Bartel, this poll is one of the funniest I have ever seen

 

[DVD Player]

You should be ashamed BigFooty.

 

[Monkey King]

You should be ashamed BigFooty.

Yep! Every non-Geelong poster who voted for Bartel should be permabanned

 

[footscore]

Judd is the better player and he could walk away from the game today and go down as one of the top 20 players in AFL history.

Bartel will last longer than Judd because he's already been switched from midfield to the half back flank in 2011 and it paid dividends in the final series. The crash and bash style of the midfield is really more intense than it was 5-7 tears ago and I can also see Judd being played down forward or across the half back flank in 2012 to keep the body fresher come September.

No question Judd has been the superior player, people (goldfish syndrome) hang sh*t on him because of a poor recent finals series but let me remind those who wanna bag him:

Judd prior to his 2011 final campaign = 13 finals, 25 disposals, 3.5 tackles & 9 goals.
Not to mention the assists and center clearances and his 2006 season in particular was a major factor for the Eagles winning the flag that year.

An absolute champion and I feel proud Bartel is even being compared to such a great which speaks volumes on how good Jimmy is as well

 

[donbooger]

Bartel would have to be one of if not the most popular player in the league, polls involving him lose there way.

I think he should be banned from the poll forums.

 

[DanA]

Judd is the better player and he could walk away from the game today and go down as one of the top 20 players in AFL history.

Bartel will last longer than Judd because he's already been switched from midfield to the half back flank in 2011 and it paid dividends in the final series. The crash and bash style of the midfield is really more intense than it was 5-7 tears ago and I can also see Judd being played down forward or across the half back flank in 2012 to keep the body fresher come September.

No question Judd has been the superior player, people (goldfish syndrome) hang sh*t on him because of a poor recent finals series but let me remind those who wanna bag him:

Judd prior to his 2011 final campaign = 13 finals, 25 disposals, 3.5 tackles & 9 goals.
Not to mention the assists and center clearances and his 2006 season in particular was a major factor for the Eagles winning the flag that year.

An absolute champion and I feel proud Bartel is even being compared to such a great which speaks volumes on how good Jimmy is as well

Read the O.P again because what's happened in the past is irrelevant.

If you look at the aspects that make Judd stand out it's clearances and quickness. If I were to pick two aspects that fade in the twighlight of a players career it's clearances and speed.

I think Bartel could have another 4-5 years in the game. I think Judd the way he plays probably on has 2-3.

 

[blues4flag]

Read the O.P again because what's happened in the past is irrelevant.

If you look at the aspects that make Judd stand out it's clearances and quickness. If I were to pick two aspects that fade in the twighlight of a players career it's clearances and speed.

I think Bartel could have another 4-5 years in the game. I think Judd the way he plays probably on has 2-3.

Speed, fair enough (it's something that he hasn't really relied on since his WC games) but clearances?

Kouta, Black, Bolton, Kirk, Hayes are recent examples of players who saw no drop off in clearances as they aged. In fact, some of these probably improved their clearance stats towards the end of the their career, as they were less able to play on the outside.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Judd was just about the most dissapointing player of the finals; and Bartel just won a Norm Smith against some serious quality opposition.

Bartel shows up again and again, can play multiple roles and has shown himself to be a far more loyal character.

But most of all, I like Bartel. So he gets my vote.

What this bloke said.

 

[footscore]

Did you folks check out AFL 360 yesterday?

They highlighted a series of passage of play where Geelong were down and asserting their dominance, Jimmy Bartel was shown in isolation and it's not until you see the highlight and really appreciate what a brilliant player he has truly become.

He was involved in about 5 plays which resulted in a goal, his effort to try and get the ball was as impressive as anything I have ever seen.

I am pretty sure he has done this for most of his career but with the amount of cameras available today, amazing to witness

No doubt Bartel is, and has been of the best mid-sized marking players for the majority of his career.
Burton, Robertson or Barry were far more spectacular but Bartel has been just as effective and I think we are going to see Bartel play a lot more time forward in 2012 and with that unrelenting contested style he plays along with his overhead marking....will be a headache for any defender in the league.

 

[muttweed]

To all of you y'all that're sooking because so many people voted Jimmy, the question is not "who is the better player?". It is "who would you prefer from 2012 onwards?"

Build a bridge and get over it, or actually read the question properly

 

[Rockford]

To all of you y'all that're sooking because so many people voted Jimmy, the question is not "who is the better player?". It is "who would you prefer from 2012 onwards?"

Build a bridge and get over it, or actually read the question properly

Exactly. Beyond that, Bartel has never eye-gouged anybody.

 

[pacman]

Would I prefer Black Caviar (Judd) or Bartel (Buffering) for the future you always take the best not the maybe or could be.

 

[muttweed]

Would I prefer Black Caviar (Judd) or Bartel (Buffering) for the future you always take the best not the maybe or could be.

A. Horseracing sucks.

B. No you don't. All players have different timings for development/falls. You can't just say "He'll be good in 2012 because he was good all the years before". No. Anything can happen to the human body, to one's endurance, to one's strength.

And until you give me proof you've analysed either Bartel's or Judd's development/timing of fall, it's an even game to me

 

[a good poster]

judd is declining rapidly and i'm not sure he is even a top 10 player any more when you take into account his poor performances against top 4 teams last year, as well as his abysmal finals series