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Claude Balls said:
If Geelong knew they were a chance to get Judd, they would be derelict in their duties if they did not offer AT LEAST Joel Corey plus a first round pick, or something similar. I would even reconcile myself to the idea of trading Jimmeh, though I would be saddened, given he is our best pure midfielder and a tough one at that. Corey and a first rounder would be a dream deal come to think of it.
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That's reasonable ,maybe throw in Spencer to sweeten the deal.
 
I'd be real reluctant to deal anyone taken under the Father?Son rule.

IMO, there are some things that make the fabric of a football club, and history is one of those. To send a kid like Nathan or Gary Jnr to the WCE would send the wrong message for not only the great servants (Fathers) of our club, but also any possible new champs (Sons).

I'm not saying they are a protected species, but i would have to think long and hard about the effect it would have on the club.

But it is Chris Judd we are talking here, so i guess if he nominates us as his preferred club, you give the WCE whatever they want.

Yep, thats how you do a backflip in 2 paragraphs.

Don't mind me, i'm rambling............................
 
G.F.C said:
I'd be real reluctant to deal anyone taken under the Father?Son rule.

IMO, there are some things that make the fabric of a football club, and history is one of those. To send a kid like Nathan or Gary Jnr to the WCE would send the wrong message for not only the great servants (Fathers) of our club, but also any possible new champs (Sons).

I'm not saying they are a protected species, but i would have to think long and hard about the effect it would have on the club.

But it is Chris Judd we are talking here, so i guess if he nominates us as his preferred club, you give the WCE whatever they want.

Yep, thats how you do a backflip in 2 paragraphs.

Don't mind me, i'm rambling............................
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I like your post, very amusing. I actually agree with you there, despite my earlier post. I think that the Abletts' are probably sacred given their bloodline and what they represent for the club and supporters. Though anyone else I would concede... bar Hawkins and maybe even Selwood...
 

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Claude Balls said:
I like your post, very amusing. I actually agree with you there, despite my earlier post. I think that the Abletts' are probably sacred given their bloodline and what they represent for the club and supporters. Though anyone else I would concede... bar Hawkins and maybe even Selwood...
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and Scarlett and Blake then? They're both father-son picks as well.
 
what do the eagles need obviously a midfielder to replace judd and a key forward also so maybe corey #1 and #2 picks in the draft plus mooney? would never trade bartel by the way even straight swap heart and soul of the club
 
Rockford said:
and Scarlett and Blake then? They're both father-son picks as well.
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My point is that the Ablett boys are more than just literal father-son picks. They are part of Geelong legend... thus they represent to the fans so much more than a simple connection to a past player. I.e. neither of them would want to go, and the Geelong Football Club would be burnt to the ground if they were forced. Having said that, you know I would trade Blake in the blink of an eye, and would probably trade Scarlett as he is 27 or so.
 
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership. The current team has been built up steadily over a number of years now, and apart from Ottens, I think everyone is pretty much home grown. I think we have the crop to win a flag in the next few years without getting Judd. Also, if he came over would we have the salary cap space to pay for him (around $1 mill / year). And would we make him captain rather than Harley?
 
finrod said:
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership. The current team has been built up steadily over a number of years now, and apart from Ottens, I think everyone is pretty much home grown. I think we have the crop to win a flag in the next few years without getting Judd. Also, if he came over would we have the salary cap space to pay for him (around $1 mill / year). And would we make him captain rather than Harley?
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Great point, let the boys we have now do their stuff!;)
 
finrod said:
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership. The current team has been built up steadily over a number of years now, and apart from Ottens, I think everyone is pretty much home grown. I think we have the crop to win a flag in the next few years without getting Judd. Also, if he came over would we have the salary cap space to pay for him (around $1 mill / year). And would we make him captain rather than Harley?
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I'm pretty sure I could still sleep at night if we "bought" a premiership. Every team trades, why should we hold the high moral ground while some other team snaps him up and has success. If Judd wants to leave at years end and we haven't won the flag then we would be derelict to not at least try to get him. West Coast will want a decent trade - it would be interesting to see what other clubs would offer. Unlike Collingwood and the Kangaroos, who have been mentioned recently, we at least have some decent players who are tradable.

There are some untouchables though - G.Ablett, N.Ablett, Scarlett, Chapman, Mooney, Hawkins, and Bartel. Everyone else is fair game.
 
finrod said:
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership.
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I understand your point, but this is the way of the game these days. Today the game is about money, and premierships generate lots of it. In this vein, Geelong or any other club for that matter would think if Judd as an investment, and a dam good one.

Judd would fill a huge gap in our side right now too!! He has won the contested possession count for last 2 years, and we have soft midfielders who won't go in and get the ball. Bartel is good, but Judd is in a different class.
 

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If Judd decides to leave then it will be simular to the Ottens deal where a club of choice is nominated and then the hard work begins. Lets face it, any club would welcome him with open arms (and wallets) and every club will magically find enough room in their cap to fit him in. I would think that the Eagles would want a top player + two high first round picks so that means two players minimum would have to go. One straight to the Eagles and another to a club willing to give away their first pick. Certainly will upset team harmony but Judd is probably worth it.
 
Ashb23 said:
Ok, other teams are talking, so just wondered: what you give up for Chris Judd? I think its a tough one. At first I though we could do a Collingwood (name our top 10 and give them two players outside that), but I found it difficult to fit all the players I wanted into 10.

So anyway, what do you guys think we should offer (if anything)?
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Nothing. Premierships aren't built on one player. You need a solid, consistent list from top to bottom (which West Coast have). We aren't the best but in all seriousness I think we're moving in the right direction. There's a solid core there now. I can't see why you'd give up good players and draft picks for anyone.

Plus - Judd's very good, but he's a midfielder. And there are plenty of them. We need key forwards a bit more urgently.

Just my view on things anyway.
 
Judd would be brilliant, but lets be realistic, if Judd wants out (believe it if/when I see it) it'd cost too much, you'd have to gut the team to get him because everyone else wants him too. We'd create another weakness by solving the midfield one. Don't think he'll leave WC anyway.
 
Partridge said:
Plus - Judd's very good, but he's a midfielder. And there are plenty of them. We need key forwards a bit more urgently.
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What planet have you been living on?!! We now have Mooney, Ottens, Nablett, and Hawkins... and Grima recently kicked 6 goals in the reserves. Don't forget The Natural too! If anything, we will need good tall defenders to replace Scarlett, Milburn and Harley when they retire soon. Plus quick midfielders which is exactly what Judd is.
 

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marcmurphy3 said:
How will they be able to do that? I suspect they could maybe do Wells and pick 1 for Judd but I doubt he would go there (Gold Coast factor).
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How you ask? Well the way they are going they will finish last and get a priority pick as well = 2 first round Draft picks. Throw in Wells and all of the sudden looks interesting for the Eagles.
 
sarah.13 said:
How you ask? Well the way they are going they will finish last and get a priority pick as well = 2 first round Draft picks. Throw in Wells and all of the sudden looks interesting for the Eagles.
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The Roos might be prepared to go all out to get some sort of success and save their sinking ship that was a football club... 1 million is pretty much on the table, but what would that do to a club like Geelong? Judd is good, but he's not that good. The salary cap these days is only about 7.5-8 million. Players would walk and we would go to shit. Judd is good, but he's not that good that it's worth destroying our club. We can win premierships without Judd, and I have no doubt about that.
 
RememberMe said:
The Roos might be prepared to go all out to get some sort of success and save their sinking ship that was a football club... 1 million is pretty much on the table, but what would that do to a club like Geelong? Judd is good, but he's not that good. The salary cap these days is only about 7.5-8 million. Players would walk and we would go to shit. Judd is good, but he's not that good that it's worth destroying our club. We can win premierships without Judd, and I have no doubt about that.
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totally agree Remember
 
wouldn't want him for what we would have to give and pay him. He is an ABSOLUTE GUN

BUT

Because of the massive price tag and trade bait needed he is WAY OVERRATED as NO player is worth over 1/6 of the salary cap designed for 40 players, ESPECIALLY when that player isn't the obvious best player on their team.

I would rather Kerr.
 
finrod said:
What planet have you been living on?!! We now have Mooney, Ottens, Nablett, and Hawkins... and Grima recently kicked 6 goals in the reserves. Don't forget The Natural too! If anything, we will need good tall defenders to replace Scarlett, Milburn and Harley when they retire soon. Plus quick midfielders which is exactly what Judd is.
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Let's go through them. Mooney is established, Ottens is not a forward, N.Ablett has played 13 games, Hawkins 2 and Grima none. What happens if Mooney or Ablett do a knee? What happens if all our ruckman get hurt and Mooney is thrown into the ruck.

I just can't justify the amount of good players we'd have to give up.
 

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