Rumour JUH

[Whats a Battle]

God you’re a judgemental lot.

Let he who has not had one car stolen, then another car stolen, then been linked to multiple gun related incidents all while taking a year long career break attending every sporting event in Melbourne except the ones you’re paid to cast the first stone.

You're damn right, his coach Bobo Gigliotti is too harsh and his ex-teammates like Bont are just brown nosing teachers pets.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Ah yes, and of course all the best mental health institutions are located on Chapel street after midnight

He’s flat out taking the P..s by now with these antics.

At what point does the guy have to take responsibility? I mean the WB and the AFL are both tipping resources into him but there’s no cut through. Are the AFL worried about a no.1 selection ending up playing for Sorrento next year whilst associating with gangsters?

Everyone has a family member pass away at some point. You don’t spend the best part of 12 months feeling sorry for yourself and hanging out with criminals.

Enough is enough.

I think everyone here agrees with both of you, but you can understand why the AFL is going above and beyond what you two and me and every poster on this board thinks is reasonable given their institutional relationship/responsibility to Indigenous Australia, as well as their unique relationship and bargaining with a player union, as well as the "small club/big club" nature of relationship with the AFL (we're a "subsidised team" so we hold less power to the AFL).

What I think you're missing is if it continues to go down the shit the AFL also wants to wash their hands of it and not get the blowback. While it might not look good for the AFL if Jamarra's life spirals it would look even worse for the AFL if they didn't take a lot of steps before it to try and prevent it form happening.

 

[Whats a Battle]

What I think you're missing is if it continues to go down the shit the AFL also wants to wash their hands of it and not get the blowback. While it might not look good for the AFL if Jamarra's life spirals it would look even worse for the AFL if they didn't take a lot of steps before it to try and prevent it form happening.

I think we all know the aspect of Jamarra's life the AFL desperately wants to keep hidden.

 

[demondavey]

I think everyone here agrees with both of you, but you can understand why the AFL is going above and beyond what you two and me and every poster on this board thinks is reasonable given their institutional relationship/responsibility to Indigenous Australia, as well as their unique relationship and bargaining with a player union, as well as the "small club/big club" nature of relationship with the AFL (we're a "subsidised team" so we hold less power to the AFL).

What I think you're missing is if it continues to go down the shit the AFL also wants to wash their hands of it and not get the blowback. While it might not look good for the AFL if Jamarra's life spirals it would look even worse for the AFL if they didn't take a lot of steps before it to try and prevent it form happening.

I completely agree. Understand why they are doing it this way. It’s a bad situation abc I think the guy doesn’t realise what he has got himself into due to being very immature. Sadly I don’t think you’d take a punt on recruiting him due to this. The associations with criminals has really taken things to another level.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I completely agree. Understand why they are doing it this way. It’s a bad situation abc I think the guy doesn’t realise what he has got himself into due to being very immature. Sadly I don’t think you’d take a punt on recruiting him due to this. The associations with criminals has really taken things to another level.

It's spiralled very quickly in just over 12-18 months.

He went from being able to earn millions of dollars on a long-term contract where all he had to do is turn up at training, even if this lifestyle meant that he would never reach his theoretical potential as a top-10 player in the league, he would be paid on that possibility, and still earn those millions.

Suddenly that dropped to merely only getting a two-year contract for the Dogs with a wait and see about his life after that.

Suddenly that dropped to maybe another club outside Melbourne will give him a minimum contract to see if he can revive his career, and a pay cut from his guaranteed 2026 money.

Suddenly it's now dropping to now looking like he'll not be an AFL player anywhere next year.

All in the context of mental health and cultural support that is probably greater than any other player in AFL history.

Gives the term "self-destructive" meaning.

 

[demondavey]

The thing that I find perplexing in this day is why you’d do it? Social media exposure is so profound and you’re not escaping any coverage. He is likely to lose his career and his earning potential and then what? Who is employing him? The people he is associating with are only using him, he has money at the moment but what next?

Life is going to really suck when everyone gives you a wide berth for splashing your face everywhere for the wrong reasons.

 

[caveman72]

Sadly I don’t think you’d take a punt on recruiting him due to this. The associations with criminals has really taken things to another level.

Didn't harm a few Pies players in the past

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The thing that I find perplexing in this day is why you’d do it? Social media exposure is so profound and you’re not escaping any coverage. He is likely to lose his career and his earning potential and then what? Who is employing him? The people he is associating with are only using him, he has money at the moment but what next?

Life is going to really suck when everyone gives you a wide berth for splashing your face everywhere for the wrong reasons.

Lots of Dogs fans are at pains to point out an upbringing in Framlingham is not like the upbringing that the vast majority of Australians have. The extent that that matters is clearly up for debate but it's a starting point and what might be logical in our society cannot entirely be true with a different upbringing that you or me don't necessarily have a lot of familiarity with or understanding of.

 

[demondavey]

Anyway, I don’t think his life is broken. He could walk into the WB tomorrow and offer an apology in front of all the players and coaches. He could say he’d take a pay cut and start from scratch in 2026 and try and revive his career. That would garner a lot of respect for him.

It’d have to come from him though.

 

[demondavey]

Lots of Dogs fans are at pains to point out an upbringing in Framlingham is not like the upbringing that the vast majority of Australians have. The extent that that matters is clearly up for debate but it's a starting point and what might be logical in our society cannot entirely be true with a different upbringing that you or me don't necessarily have a lot of familiarity with or understanding of.

That’s fair

 

[Partridge]

What I think you're missing is if it continues to go down the shit the AFL also wants to wash their hands of it and not get the blowback. While it might not look good for the AFL if Jamarra's life spirals it would look even worse for the AFL if they didn't take a lot of steps before it to try and prevent it form happening.

I'm happy to slam the AFL for things they do wrong (and there are a lot of them), but they're completely innocent here. If Ugle-Hagan wants to be an idiot and blow his career that's his fault. Not Footscray's and not the league's.

Here's two words he obviously has never heard before - personal responsibility.

Zero sympathy for him. Pampered moron.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm happy to slam the AFL for things they do wrong (and there are a lot of them), but they're completely innocent here. If Ugle-Hagan wants to be an idiot and blow his career that's his fault. Not Footscray's and not the league's.

Here's two words he obviously has never heard before - personal responsibility.

Zero sympathy for him. Pampered moron.

I don't think anyone will disagree with you here, but had the AFL (and to a lesser extent the Dogs), not taken the excessive steps that they have, you would have seen people disagree with you. That's the point.

People will claim that the AFL would have had an obligation to provide mental health and cultural support, and more of it, had the same events unfolded now, but without the support he was given through the year.

We know now that such support has not worked, but without it, we wouldn't have known that, and people might have claimed that it would have worked and blamed the AFL for not providing it.

 

[WillHayward]

I’m always reckoned that if you hung around with scumbags there was a fair chance you were a scumbag yourself.

No one can force you to associate with anyone you don’t want to, he’s a grow man fer goodness sake.

This is what I always say to my mates when they call me a dickhead. After I do dickhead things .

"Well gentlemen, if you hang around with a dickhead there is a fair chance you are also a dickhead".

 

[WillHayward]

I think everyone here agrees with both of you, but you can understand why the AFL is going above and beyond what you two and me and every poster on this board thinks is reasonable given their institutional relationship/responsibility to Indigenous Australia, as well as their unique relationship and bargaining with a player union, as well as the "small club/big club" nature of relationship with the AFL (we're a "subsidised team" so we hold less power to the AFL).

What I think you're missing is if it continues to go down the shit the AFL also wants to wash their hands of it and not get the blowback. While it might not look good for the AFL if Jamarra's life spirals it would look even worse for the AFL if they didn't take a lot of steps before it to try and prevent it form happening.

Sensible. Level headed.




Now what hell are you doing on Bigfooty?
Disgraceful!

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Lots of Dogs fans are at pains to point out an upbringing in Framlingham is not like the upbringing that the vast majority of Australians have. The extent that that matters is clearly up for debate but it's a starting point and what might be logical in our society cannot entirely be true with a different upbringing that you or me don't necessarily have a lot of familiarity with or understanding of.

To an extent that’s understandable but he’s what 23 now, he should have enough life experience by now to understand the path he is on will only end one way.

I doubt even the most bleeding heart liberal would argue that he hasn’t been given ample chances by now. No one’s going to be upset if the AFL and the Doggies cut their ties with JUH.

 

[Ando727]

This is what I always say to my mates when they call me a dickhead. After I do dickhead things .

"Well gentlemen, if you hang around with a dickhead there is a fair chance you are also a dickhead".

Solid comeback.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

This is what I always say to my mates when they call me a dickhead. After I do dickhead things .

"Well gentlemen, if you hang around with a dickhead there is a fair chance you are also a dickhead".

Do you mid if I steal that line, it’s a cracker

 

[threenewpadlocks]

To an extent that’s understandable but he’s what 23 now, he should have enough life experience by now to understand the path he is on will only end one way.

I doubt even the most bleeding heart liberal would argue that he hasn’t been given ample chances by now. No one’s going to be upset if the AFL and the Doggies cut their ties with JUH.

Yep, plus he boarded at Scotch from Year 9 or 10.

Of course, the work it's not entirely being a bleeding heart liberal, some of it is of self-interest as well.

Behind all of this is a bloody good footballer, a rightful number 1 draft pick, who last two seasons was rank 8 and rank 4 in the league for total shots on goal (with the other top 10 players almost all being in their late 20s onward). Common sense dictates that less work would have been put in both by the Dogs (for footballing output) and by the AFL (for marketing purposes, the idea that his career output and therefore marketing value is not too dissiimlar to Buddy's is not that ridiculous) if he had shown far less as an AFL player.

There was a month of footy late last year where the Dogs defeated bunch of premiership favourites away from home in low scoring games where Jamarra was basically the only forward on either team that was able to break the game open and win matches. We can still hold onto that, I suppose.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Yep, plus he boarded at Scotch from Year 9 or 10.

Of course, the work it's not entirely being a bleeding heart liberal, some of it is of self-interest as well, because behind all of it is a bloody good footballer who was rank 8 and rank 4 in the league for total shots on goal (with the other top 10 players almost all being in their late 20s onward). Common sense dictates that less work would have been put in both by the Dogs (for footballing output) and by the AFL (for marketing purposes, the idea that his career output and therefore marketing value is not too dissiimlar to Buddy's is not that ridiculous) if he had shown far less as an AFL player.

Yes, as Kerry Packer once said “Aways back self interest, at least you know it’s trying”

 

[fnerd]

Yes, as Kerry Packer once said “Aways back self interest, at least you know it’s trying”

Wasn’t that Paul Keating?

 

[gambinotosserflog]

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The sad part is, AJ probably had a better football career in front of him.

 

[LUKEHAND69]

I think we all know the aspect of Jamarra's life the AFL desperately wants to keep hidden.

His weight.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Curious to see what the AFL will do with him as any decision regarding his future (play on, trade, move interstate etc) is completely 100% out of the Dogs hands and has been for some time now.

They have taken complete control over Marra and will dictate what happens with him during the off season.

 

[hairy biker]

 

[1970crow]

Surely Footscray are effectively paying him to stay as far away from the club as possible now.

I’d say the largesse concludes this year. Him returning to the club would have been the negotiated last chance and they’ll be free to sack him upon his failure. No point doing it now with a finals campaign on the doorstep, but he’d be done for sure.