Current Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA

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Pardon? Jane went missing in June. SS in January. CG in March.
Edit - meant to add theres no charges of sexual assault in conjunction with the murdered girls. You can draw your own conclusions but I dont care to speculate. That their lives were taken is too much imo.
ok, I'm getting my public holidays mixed up. I thought it was the Foundation day holiday that W.A. celebrates. I do know Ciara was taken St Patricks weekend & SS on Australia Day weekend
 

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The alleged claremont killer grabbed his victims and drove them to be "dumped" outside of the city limits. If someone was to use the Arts Centre as a burial site they would more than likely have a very good knowledge of the area
Agreed, but I definitely dont see it in the Theatre Gardens for that reason. I cant see anyone who was remotely familiar with the area thinking that was a good place to dispose of a body.
Unless police received some seriously specific info suggesting that, I cant imagine why they would either. Otherwise an unlikely scenario posed to round out an article to give it its 'ohhh, it says here' moment maybe.

you hear some loud screams, yells etc that sound a lot worse in the dark of night than they obviously are. I give very little weight to the reports of people hearing screams on a weekend night.
Unfortunately I can vouch that 'those' kinds of screams aren't mistaken when you hear them anytime of day or night & regardless the surroundings. We'll never know in this case but at that time of night I think the length of the scream would be the only factor influencing the response & even if its the only evidence they have specific to SS charge, I doubt it'll be of any consequence to the verdict.
 

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ok, I'm getting my public holidays mixed up. I thought it was the Foundation day holiday that W.A. celebrates. I do know Ciara was taken St Patricks weekend & SS on Australia Day weekend
Foundation Day became Western Australia Day.

This is a replacement holiday for the Queens birthday holiday celebrated in the East. Jane Rimmer disappeared Queens birthday I think.

This led to the establishment of the Swan River Colony, the first permanent British colony in Western Australia. Western Australia Day (formerly Foundation Day) is officially celebrated on June 1, but the public holiday is observed on the first Monday in June.
 

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Hmm where did rumour start up linking Julie to Racquet Club. 306 Riverside the Causeway end, where it converges with Adelaide Tce opposite wapol HQ. do wapol officers hang out there?
 
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Foundation Day became Western Australia Day.

This is a replacement holiday for the Queens birthday holiday celebrated in the East. Jane Rimmer disappeared Queens birthday I think.

This led to the establishment of the Swan River Colony, the first permanent British colony in Western Australia. Western Australia Day (formerly Foundation Day) is officially celebrated on June 1, but the public holiday is observed on the first Monday in June.
I know we celebrate two public holidays the week before the rest of Australia does. This is why I get the dates mixed up but I know this Monday is Foundation/WA day over here
 

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Foundation Day became Western Australia Day.

This is a replacement holiday for the Queens birthday holiday celebrated in the East. Jane Rimmer disappeared Queens birthday I think.

This led to the establishment of the Swan River Colony, the first permanent British colony in Western Australia. Western Australia Day (formerly Foundation Day) is officially celebrated on June 1, but the public holiday is observed on the first Monday in June.
We've always had the Queens Birthday either on the last Monday in September or the 1St Monday in October to coincide with the Perth Royal Show and School Holidays.

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Its 1988. You reside in Madora bay at the parents holiday house, purchased in the new fiscal month of June off someone. The family has a little yellow bunky, maybe registered in a parent's name.

Its taken out for a thrash at places like Karnup Pine Forest for a thrash down the limestone tracks.

All supposition.
 

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Hmm where did rumour start up linking Julie to Racquet Club. 306 Riverside the Causeway end, where it converges with Adelaide Tce opposite wapol HQ. do wapol officers hang out there?
AFAIK Terrance McLernon tweeted about it & it was reposted by Shan Low on Channel 9 facebook page.

These are my notes about it just copy/pasted:
30Nov18 post revealed hearsay story told to ex cop about statement given to police in 2015 about a conversation years prior (at a Newman mine site according to Shan Low as told to Trevor McLernon) by ex boyfriend of Julies & ex doorman at the racquet club who claimed he murdered her and put her car in the sea. Told a workmate who went to cops and they didnt listen coz he was in the **** over a car fire anyway.

Terrance Mclernon ex cop turned PI claims it was Pace who ran the witness, the person the alleged boyfriend told this story to, out of town. Allegedly confesses while working for Newcrest Mining. Witness signed paperwork to this effect seen by the PI.
 

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Also, first suggestion that I know of that she may have gone somewhere first was in articles detailing ex boyfriend from Melbourne coming over to Perth to check out the club scene as he thought he may have a better chance of getting someone to talk to him over cops.

There was also an article "Missing Julie - Murder seems certain" that said: Sgt Carey considers 2 alternatives. Either someone was lying in wait for her in or close to her car or she went somewhere afterwards and met her killer.
 

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Hmm where did rumour start up linking Julie to Racquet Club. 306 Riverside the Causeway end, where it converges with Adelaide Tce opposite wapol HQ. do wapol officers hang out there?
Allegedly, a boyfriend worked at the Racquet Club. He apparently confessed to the murder. I have a feeling that it was a moment of Im the big tough bouncer. Don't mess with me.
 
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I still have concerns for the 21 year old girl that left Cottesloe near Eric st in 1988, in the late hours, only to roll her car down an embankment not far past Lakeside drive-in on Westcoast Highway, Citybeach.

Was she run off the road? The incident put down as bad driving in 1988? The car rolled that much you wouldn't know it had been struck.

Same or similar age as Julie Cutler, leaving Cottesloe, car rolls in the vicinity of Lakeside drive-in just past Swanbourne barracks heading north.

Julie had one prior incident where a madman tried run Julie off Stirling highway.

So many similarities in the crime.
 
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I still have concerns for the 21 year old girl that left Cottesloe near Eric st in 1988, in the late hours, only to roll her car down an embankment not far past Lakeside drive-in on Westcoast Highway, Citybeach.

Was she run off the road? The incident put down as bad driving in 1988? The car rolled that much you wouldn't know it had been struck.

Same or similar age as Julie Cutler, leaving Cottesloe, car rolls in the vicinity of Lakeside drive-in just past Swanbourne barracks heading north.

Julie had one prior incident where a madman tried run Julie off Stirling highway.

So many similarities in the crime.
Melsy did she survive? I was only 9y/o in 88 so a lot of these are new to me
 

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She died in the roll over. Late night, left friends house in Cottesloe.

The death was written off as an accident. Maybe it was. However many the attributes fit existing crimes.

A madman running women off the road.
Which existing crimes?

And the person/s charged over these crimes
 
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After hearing propensity evidence, at 19yo how bold BRE was, his history at Cottesloe Beach, mentions of Cottesloe Beach to a potential victim, swimming at Cottesloe Beach, his history with an older woman. The bag containing stockings and shirt etc.

Has anybody who previously felt BRE was not responsible for Julie's disappearance changed their minds to thinking, yeah maybe he could have?
No. I still believe he escalated to Sarah Spiers as his first kill. He was leading up the the kill with previous victims He hid her body very well then gained confidence to not have to hide the next two as well.
 
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I don't think it is ransom at all. Some businessmen might have lost a lot of money.

I think it could have been a punishment. A hitman sent to kill her, and taunt family.
No unlikely. I also worked in a prominent hotel in 88. We were fly keys nothing more. HAd nothing to do with high rollers or any o e of “importance” and if we were to witness anything we were not important enough to matter.
 
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As for the bag, the one time Julie goes missing, her uniform turns up slid under table at a nearby cafe. If you had your car, why would you take the uniform out of the car to go for something to eat after stuffing yourself at the staff awards night with free food and alcohol?


I am just talking about the bag...because the bag has been an issue...i don't really think the bag is of real importance to be quite honest(may have become a over reaction)....but it is still a bag been found...And it would save so much time to take the bag with you IF you were going for a bite(lunch)..so you save having to go by and get it again...from car park...Dinner at hotel was much later in evening when her shift was finished...
The bag was handed in to police station...

Apparently...in melbourne...there is also a centerway arcade in that year...opening times @
Mon-Fri 8am-6pm
sat 9am-2.30pm
sun closed
Really though, how do we know it’s her uniform? When I worked in a hotel nearby we were given a uniform (used but laundered) and expected to return it when we left. High turn over of staff. I used it for 3 months and returned when I left. Same size as Julie’s. Do police ever confirm it’s Julies or just similar size? So much time passed it could be anyone’s.
 
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the security(theres that word again)did what they were suppose to do then...safety of patrons on the premisis....
so then cancel the idea of someone being in the back seat(or boot) of her car....

our minds can play little tricks on us at times....you see ..we now see Julie as the only person in the city...her importance....while there are thousands of others like her around also....
Security my arse. Sorry to be crude but I was going to nightclubs from 15 in that era and security were only there for fights not to look at any thing else
 
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Has he been charged with this bolded attack?

I'd like to read the court transcripts of the 1990 attack as it is not described as a vicious attack. ie he didnt lose control and start yelling and get angry, it reads as if it was a grab and snatch attempt. This is similar to the Karrakatta attack, I take note that he did utter words , but again in a controlled voice and not out of control angry. (my reading)

5 years and he seems to have the same pattern of behaviour. Sure I cant say for certain but I see a method that worked for him. I cant see him getting angrier. he was cold and calculating rather than out of control in my opinion

We shall know more as the trial progresses
Seems to be classic escalation behaviour. No reason to presume he would kill In 88 then return to rape and let live when opportunity to kill is there
 

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I still have concerns for the 21 year old girl that left Cottesloe near Eric st in 1988, in the late hours, only to roll her car down an embankment not far past Lakeside drive-in on Westcoast Highway, Citybeach.

Was she run off the road? The incident put down as bad driving in 1988? The car rolled that much you wouldn't know it had been struck.

Same or similar age as Julie Cutler, leaving Cottesloe, car rolls in the vicinity of Lakeside drive-in just past Swanbourne barracks heading north.

Julie had one prior incident where a madman tried run Julie off Stirling highway.

So many similarities in the crime.
Without a witness, and without the car to reexamine, I don't believe any way forward with such a question. Maybe police might have photos of the wreck, but if they didn't see evidence of a ram or scrape back then, I'd doubt that they'd see one now. IMO

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I don't think it is ransom at all. Some businessmen might have lost a lot of money.

I think it could have been a punishment. A hitman sent to kill her, and taunt family.
No unlikely. I also worked in a prominent hotel in 88. We were fly keys nothing more. HAd nothing to do with high rollers or any o e of “importance” and if we were to witness anything we were not important enough to matter.
Melsy is talking about a theory involving her uncle's adventure in Leopold and whether she was abducted for ransom by someone trying to get their hands on any imagined profits, maybe by someone like David Everett who had just returned to Australia the year before.
Melsy is saying that she doesn't believe so, but asks if someone was aggrieved enough to commit an act of retribution.
I looked at the players that might've lost money in the Leopold scam, but no one seemed to of been any worse off in later years from what I could google.
Except for what the Judge said in the 1972 judgement, there is nothing to indicate whether any money was made or lost.
Interestingly, one of the Cops that worked on the Leopold case was murdered by his own son in Yokine, apparently after an argument about the other sons drug overdose death. The son that killed his parents claimed to of been sleepwalking when he did them in. The jury didn't believe him. Another cop who worked on the case was assassinated in Lathlain, apparently over the death of a bikie in Ora Banda.
Oh and another cop that might've also worked on the case was named as a suspect in the Shirley Finn coroner's hearing last year. He died of Alzheimer's or something just as horrible.
I couldn't find any other evidence of a curse from involvement in Leopold, except that the episode led to the creation of ASIC, which itself was probably looked at as a curse by shady traders and tax dodgers, but I doubt that any of them made a connection to the Leopold case being the instigation of their woes or jailing.

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