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Agree. As with all scenario's everyone has put forward, there are lots of maybe's and what if's. If only we could find one little 'definite' !! But there are none. A couple of things I would like to know/see happen -
# Where finger prints taken from Julies flat?
#Were finger prints/DNA taken from the bag that contained (supposed) Julie's uniform?
#What was the outcome from the cigarette butts found in Julies Car?
#would Julie turning left from Mill St onto Mounts Bay rd, be the direction she would use to go home??
#What time was her shift the next day?
People that need to be re questioned -
#Sister/father that took Julies call regarding road rage event - every detail of the alleged event.
#Aunty, Uncle and cousins regarding if anything unusual happened during that time.
#Staff Julie worked with - regarding where she was going that night, what she talked about that night, who smoked, how Julie came to have the wine glasses, what they knew about her friends, uni friends and other work colleges. What Julie did in her free time and where she went. Did she ever go to this Kebab shop?
These same or similar questions need to asked to all whom knew Julie.
I know this has all probably been done before and the Police probably have the answers to some of the above.
Forgive me if I am a little behind :)
TBH I think the chances of solving this would be most likely from a lucky break, like solving Sharon Mason's disappearance by discovery of her remains. Pure chance that one, and that those remains were located in a location that wasn't accessible to the general public at the time disposal, so that the perpetrator could be readily discovered. What would be the chance of this? Probably unlikely but the fact that she's never been found in a public place, like the CSK victims, Kerry Turner and the Burnie victims were, gives me hope that she might just be found by chance in a backyard someday, and a perpetrator will be bought to justice, if the perpetrator is still alive. The reward hasn't worked, so maybe the perpetrator is dead and didn't give anything away nor make a death bed confession.

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I went to the police with my theory about the Reddit poster. Turns out they identified him as a friend of Julie’s early on in the investigation and they’ve already interviewed him. He was in Victoria when she disappeared. Went to Cottesloe today and was thinking if the car was driven into the ocean from the beach/boat ramp it would have been spotted sooner so it must have gone off the groyne. I wonder if the perp did this as a one off? But if this was a one off for someone surely the people around them would have noticed a change in behaviour… so it must be a repeat offender. Perhaps someone from out of town?
 

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I went to the police with my theory about the Reddit poster. Turns out they identified him as a friend of Julie’s early on in the investigation and they’ve already interviewed him. He was in Victoria when she disappeared. Went to Cottesloe today and was thinking if the car was driven into the ocean from the beach/boat ramp it would have been spotted sooner so it must have gone off the groyne. I wonder if the perp did this as a one off? But if this was a one off for someone surely the people around them would have noticed a change in behaviour… so it must be a repeat offender. Perhaps someone from out of town?
Off topic, but what a pretty spot :)
 
I went to the police with my theory about the Reddit poster. Turns out they identified him as a friend of Julie’s early on in the investigation and they’ve already interviewed him. He was in Victoria when she disappeared. Went to Cottesloe today and was thinking if the car was driven into the ocean from the beach/boat ramp it would have been spotted sooner so it must have gone off the groyne. I wonder if the perp did this as a one off? But if this was a one off for someone surely the people around them would have noticed a change in behaviour… so it must be a repeat offender. Perhaps someone from out of town?
Good points here... possibly repeat - a big job do all of the above as a first time offender
 
I went to the police with my theory about the Reddit poster. Turns out they identified him as a friend of Julie’s early on in the investigation and they’ve already interviewed him. He was in Victoria when she disappeared. Went to Cottesloe today and was thinking if the car was driven into the ocean from the beach/boat ramp it would have been spotted sooner so it must have gone off the groyne. I wonder if the perp did this as a one off? But if this was a one off for someone surely the people around them would have noticed a change in behaviour… so it must be a repeat offender. Perhaps someone from out of town?
I've always thought that the car came down the beach into the water, but just looking at your photos with the waves lapping the shore line has made me see something different. I can now see that 'if' her car did go off the end of the groin and became submerged, the waves could have pushed it towards the shoreline. Thus the car only became visible once it was pushed into the shallows waters of the shore line.
 
Does anyone know where Julianas was at the Parmelia?
 

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Does anyone know where Julianas was at the Parmelia?
I can't tell off the map despite having been there. Just call the Parmelia & ask them where the nightclub was & what's there now, they'll know. It was a nightclub for a long time with a few name changes but didn't change location. I thought you went down to an entrance at the side of the hotel but my memory is probably completely wrong. I can't picture it at all now.
 

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I went to see my beautician today and as it turns out she was clubbing in the late 80’s so I picked her brain.
Julianas didn’t have an external entry/exit, that was at Clouds. To get to Julianas you had to go through the hotel front entrance. I wonder if there was another exit to the staff car park?
she said that King Kebab would’ve been closed on Sunday night. I think the bag with clothes is a red herring tbh. If the bag was hers where are the skirt/pants? Why not put the plastic bag in her car with her makeup case? I think that when she got changed and was seen not long after leaning into her car, that was when she was offloading this stuff.
I think perhaps she did go to the casino. This would naturally be where someone dressed up for a classy fancy night out would go. But who did she meet there? I think having her housemate away she may have been reluctant to go home to an empty flat after the work do. I also wonder what time bouncer boyfriend finished work, if he was working. Though that being said the guy sounds like a bit of a loser so maybe she didn’t want to spend time with him?
 
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I dont think the car went off the groyne .
If you read the information on the threads you will see why and where the car entered the ocean. It was the ramp beside surf club on south side.
In my opinion and the rest of the researchers too, all agreed on that theory.
There was some good reasons for that and I can't recall them all now.
 
I dont think the car went off the groyne .
If you read the information on the threads you will see why and where the car entered the ocean. It was the ramp beside surf club on south side.
In my opinion and the rest of the researchers too, all agreed on that theory.
There was some good reasons for that and I can't recall them all now.
I also always thought, for many reasons that the car went into the water either from the beach or ramp, but after looking at the above pictures, it suddenly occurred to me that as the car was not seen for several days after Julie disappeared, a reasonable explanation as to why, could be, that it went off the groyne and then was pushed to the shore over several days. So I'm back on the fence now :think: :laughing:
 
I found this article which quoted one of the detectives on the case as saying “(For the car) to have found its way into the ocean, we concluded that it must have been driven off or rolled off the wall straight into the water where it must have floated momentarily, before being taken out with the motion of the waves, before sinking to the floor of the ocean.”

I’d like to read through this thread again and go over the info in here relating to the car.
It does seem to me though that if it were driven into the sea from the ramp the engine would’ve stalled early on. The ocean is not shallow there as well.

 
Back to the uniform and the kebab shop… I can’t find any official sources that mention that the uniform is Julie’s, only media sites. Was it confirmed that the uniform was hers? Does anyone know if the police still have it?
 
Back to the uniform and the kebab shop… I can’t find any official sources that mention that the uniform is Julie’s, only media sites. Was it confirmed that the uniform was hers? Does anyone know if the police still have it?
IIRC it has never been confirmed the uniform was Julie's. It was just assumed as it was Julie's size and nobody came forward to claim it. It was also only handed to Police quite some time (1 year later ??) after Julies disappearance.
I don't know if the police still have it, I hope so, but I wouldn't be holding my breath as other items possibly belonging to Julie have been thrown out (items found in the sand dunes).
 
I was just thinking if Julie went to the Casino would she have taken Stirling Hwy past Cottesloe to get home? Wouldn’t it have been faster going Leach Hwy or Canning? I wonder if anyone that knows her saw her at the Casino or whether random people just came forward saying they thought they saw her? It would be odd, from what I’ve heard, for her to go somewhere where she wasn’t meeting friends. Perhaps she did intend to go straight home?
So many questions 😒
 
I found this article which quoted one of the detectives on the case as saying “(For the car) to have found its way into the ocean, we concluded that it must have been driven off or rolled off the wall straight into the water where it must have floated momentarily, before being taken out with the motion of the waves, before sinking to the floor of the ocean.”

I’d like to read through this thread again and go over the info in here relating to the car.
It does seem to me though that if it were driven into the sea from the ramp the engine would’ve stalled early on. The ocean is not shallow there as well.


"The ocean is not shallow there as well."

So your saying its deep at cottesloe beach ? You might want check the nautical charts to measure the depths...
 
"The ocean is not shallow there as well."

So your saying its deep at cottesloe beach ? You might want check the nautical charts to measure the depths...

Maybe MrsK could don a pair of goggles/facemask and go for a swim around the Cottesloe Beach reefs, rocky bottoms, and sand-banks between the pylon and the groyne, to take a look for herself. It's much safer there now that the shark protector has been installed (and Bradley Robert Edwards is in jail).
 
Maybe MrsK could don a pair of goggles/facemask and go for a swim around the Cottesloe Beach reefs, rocky bottoms, and sand-banks between the pylon and the groyne, to take a look for herself. It's much safer there now that the shark protector has been installed (and Bradley Robert Edwards is in jail).
😁 yes indeed!
I’ve been swimming there a lot over the years. What I meant is that going from the ramp into the ocean is not shallow. The water from memory is about waist high then drops off so I thought that if a car drove off the ramp into the ocean the engine would flood and stall pretty quickly. So whoever was driving wouldn’t get it very far out into the ocean from that point.
Also, does anyone have the date of approximate dates of when Dorothy was attacked and also when the naked man washed up on the beach please?
 
I can't tell off the map despite having been there. Just call the Parmelia & ask them where the nightclub was & what's there now, they'll know. It was a nightclub for a long time with a few name changes but didn't change location. I thought you went down to an entrance at the side of the hotel but my memory is probably completely wrong. I can't picture it at all now.
That would be the same floor as the main entrance. Because the Parmelia is on a hill, the first entrance on Mill St is actually a set of steps. Then there's a pub and a shopping arcade, then the main entrance lobby area on ground level. If Julianas was where the pub was or next to it, then you need the plan for the lobby floor. The lobby has doors between it and the arcade so that scan be shut off from the the arcade, hence two entrances on Mill St.
Back then, there was a large car Park at the back off the hotel backing onto Mercantile Lane. There was a rear entrance at the hotel into the car Park. It would be on the same level as the lobby IMO.

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