Jumper Clashes

[pjcrows]

Re: Away Jumpers

I couldn't tell the difference betwen Port and Geelong

Surely you're joking?

 

[naitanui4dees]

eddie on sen a couple of weeks back said he liked to work it out with the other club(without afl involvement) so as to have no clash but still wear traditional top, such as geelong wearing white shorts for home game against pies with black shorts, which is a good idea.why wouldn't collingwood wear their black stripes on white today with white shorts then, with carlton all in navy blue?? they could do this for home and away games.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Re: Away Jumpers

I couldn't tell the difference betwen Port and Geelong on TV, and Carlton and Collingwood were confusing aswell.

Geelong were the ones first to the ball and playing direct footy.

 

[Alberton_Magpie]

hahaha people "Clash Jumpers are Stupid, BUT COLLINGWOOD HAVE TO MAKE A COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT GUERSNEY OR THEY CANT PLAY THE GAME" One Word - ESSENDON

At least Collingwood made an effort, Essendon's clash guernsey is almost identical to their home guernsey its a joke!

 

[Mr Lizard]

The Brisbane jumper is the worst clash jumper...disgusting...

I think everyone gets too caught up in the little intricacies of the designs.

From back in the stands, it's just a white jumper with a bit of blue and gold on it, and is clearly a "light' jumper opposed to the Dogs' "dark" jumper. A lot of contrast between the two tops, it made distinguishing the teams an easy affair. I hope Brisbane (if they don't like the 'piss stained' current number and are going to change) design something which has a similar whiteness about it.

Teams that have gone the white jumper route should be commended for their efforts, it makes watching the game more enjoyable.


The only time I have been annoyed with the clash strips was when Hawthorn wore theirs against Fremantle, and both teams were running around in dark backs with white numbers, which was silly.

 

[estibador]

Re: Away Jumpers

Did we need yet another clash jumper thread? This is the third one this afternoon.

Mods please, we need a clash jumper board.

If they annoy you so much you could always try not clicking on them.

 

[mcgarnacle]

the afl rules are pathetic......they insist some match-day teams must accommodate for the similarity of their strips, and others (mainly when the the match-day teams are traditional rivals like today) dont have to, even tho the match-day uniforms of the latter may cause just as much (or more) confusion.

as ive said a zillion times before on these forums, the ____wits at the AFL need to implement and enforce clear and easy to understand laws on match-day uniforms (that is what they are, not ____ing 'clash strips') which apply equally to all 16 clubs and in all situations. It's not up to the clubs to resolve, its up to the AFL to regulate the issue.

and FWIW, where did or who came up with this ridiculous term of 'clash jumpers/strips'? it's not an official term (as far as im aware). furthermore, its used inappropriately all the time, e.g., many people argue that carlton should have worn their clash jumper/strip yesterday.........cant ____wits see the error in that when the strip worn yesterday was the one that clashed?? seriously, no wonder anybody who has any authority on this has no ____ing clue whats going on. the most professional sporting comp in australia??......dont make me laugh.

to rework an old phrase, "only in the AFL".

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

For reasons unknown the AFL and the general footy fan do not understand nor grasp what a clash jumper actually is, and to make matters worse jumper designers and marketeeers do not understand either, however, they are working for the Clubs and the AFL so can be somewhat excused.

Whether we like it or not the concept comes from Soccer.
The concept is Dark Vs Light.
Simple example - Both Liverpool and Arsenal traditionally wear Red. If
arsenal play L'pool away they wear a completely different color. It used to be yellow when I was over there. No idea what it is now but this does not matter.

Now. Most importantly. When Arsenal wear their yellow strip their long term and maybe old fashioned and/or conservative supporters do not crap on and carry on about their team not being in their traditional color, for the simple reason that they are not supposed to be.

All the histrionics and hoo ha about not having stripes or a sash or traditional colors etc is just soppy bullsh1t.

The idea is to look completely DIFFERENT and have a completely CONTRASTING color to the home team.

 

[MarkT]

Someone please explain it to me.

What’s to explain? Collingwood and Carlton wore their normal outfits and they didn’t clash like they haven’t for over 100 years.

 

[MarkT]

All the histrionics and hoo ha about not having stripes or a sash or traditional colors etc is just soppy bullsh1t.

Yeh, just like changing names or relocating. We should take the emotion out of footy.

 

[Mr Lizard]

What’s to explain? Collingwood and Carlton wore their normal outfits and they didn’t clash like they haven’t for over 100 years.

They did though, MarkT, they did.

I was watching at home, and found it difficult to distinguish the dark backs/white numbers worn by both sides. Collingwood has not had dark backs/white numbers for over a hundred years, they have had them for about 10. And when they play Carlton, there is a clash.

Now, I'm not blind, not stupid, can recognise the majority of AFL players on the ground by how they move, and was able to work it out without too much drama.

If one of the sides had gone for a light strip though, I wouldn't have needed to work it out.

 

[Duffman95]

What’s to explain? Collingwood and Carlton wore their normal outfits and they didn’t clash like they haven’t for over 100 years.

Collingwood changing their jumper from black on white to white on black around 8 years ago creates this clash. That said, I probably think that the pies wearing white shorts and Carlton navy would have been enough to distinguish the sides.

 

[mcgarnacle]

For reasons unknown the AFL and the general footy fan do not understand nor grasp what a clash jumper actually is, and to make matters worse jumper designers and marketeeers do not understand either, however, they are working for the Clubs and the AFL so can be somewhat excused.

Whether we like it or not the concept comes from Soccer.
The concept is Dark Vs Light.
Simple example - Both Liverpool and Arsenal traditionally wear Red. If
arsenal play L'pool away they wear a completely different color. It used to be yellow when I was over there. No idea what it is now but this does not matter.

Now. Most importantly. When Arsenal wear their yellow strip their long term and maybe old fashioned and/or conservative supporters do not crap on and carry on about their team not being in their traditional color, for the simple reason that they are not supposed to be.

All the histrionics and hoo ha about not having stripes or a sash or traditional colors etc is just soppy bullsh1t.

The idea is to look completely DIFFERENT and have a completely CONTRASTING color to the home team.

there isnt a dark vs light requirement by FIFA. it's an american sporting concept (professional and NCAA football and basketball etc). youre final comment is more accurate.

does something such as this exist for the AFL? I'm sure it does, but its probably 3 lines long. this document is primarily for international matches, however, clubs competitions also follow its regulations with some amendments.

of interest......the 1st paragragh of the preface in the document certainly doesnt apply within the AFL..........why not in 2008 is beyond me, yet i wont be surprised to read the immature "why should we? we were in the comp 1st" remark at least 10 times following this post.

article 6 provides info on colours of playing uniforms. article 6.3 particularly would go a long way in cleaning up the mess in AFL. especially hawthorn's ridiculous alternate guernsey, and also, st.kilda's and collingwood's primary guernseys.

happy reading adrian.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Yeh, just like changing names or relocating. We should take the emotion out of footy.

You obviously dont get it.
Get over it.
If you need a certain stripe, sash or color to get emotional and support your team then you have problems.
Try telling me the that the Arsenal fans who travel up to Liverpool and watch their team in Yellow have no emotion!!! They would be the most emotional and they are doing the hard yards to support the team they love regardless of what they are wearing.
Remember ther crap when the cricketers stopped wearing whites. We got over it.
When the Socceroos play Brazil away we will wear Blue or whatever. Emotion intact.

Grasp the concept. Understand the concept. Then get over it.

 

[MarkT]

They did though, MarkT, they did.

I was watching at home, and found it difficult to distinguish the dark backs/white numbers worn by both sides. Collingwood has not had dark backs/white numbers for over a hundred years, they have had them for about 10. And when they play Carlton, there is a clash.

I wear glasses and I am colour bind yet live or on TV I can tell the difference between Collingwood and Carlton every time. The jumper clash issue is the most trumped up tit for tat issue in the game.

If one of the sides had gone for a light strip though, I wouldn't have needed to work it out.

I’m not really opposed to Collingwood wearing the other strip but it really isn’t necessary.

 

[MarkT]

Collingwood changing their jumper from black on white to white on black around 8 years ago creates this clash. That said, I probably think that the pies wearing white shorts and Carlton navy would have been enough to distinguish the sides.

The stripes on the bottom of the back are enough if anything more than the different colours worn by the clubs was required.

 

[MarkT]

You obviously dont get it.

It is very simple. I get it perfectly. The whole debate began as a revenue issue and remains that today except that the search for the right clash jumper has execrated the issues and the power plays confuse the arguments.

Get over it.

No, never.

If you need a certain stripe, sash or color to get emotional and support your team then you have problems.

Clearly you don’t get it. Whether or not I need that is completely beside the point and also not for you to say.

Try telling me the that the Arsenal fans who travel up to Liverpool and watch their team in Yellow have no emotion!!!

Differences on English culture, soccer culture, EPL history, real practicality, logistics and the mere fact that Arsenal can play any one of hundreds of clubs in an official match make the comparison totally irrelevant. The don’t pick the ball and I don’t care of it is good enough for them it is not good enough for us. What is good enough for someone is the least relevant clutch at straws argument imaginable.

Remember ther crap when the cricketers stopped wearing whites. We got over it.
When the Socceroos play Brazil away we will wear Blue or whatever. Emotion intact.

White was a universal colour for the sport not the country and in any case they still cling to it in test cricket for traditions sake. Soccer, as I said has an entirely different culture but regardless how is it relevant?

Grasp the concept. Understand the concept. Then get over it.

I do – you don’t.

 

[Old Den]

The simple solution and the common sense answer to colour clashes(that name will do for me - surely everyone knows what it means) is to have a standard white jumper designed by the AFL

And when the AFL says""wear it" - you do - just like the Lions were told to wear their white jumper v The Bulldogs last Saturday despite the fact a lot of Brisbane members and supporters don't like it

The Carlton and Collingwood strips are too similar in colour,despite the white shorts - just like they have been for over a hundred years

 

[Mr Lizard]

I wear glasses and I am colour bind yet live or on TV I can tell the difference between Collingwood and Carlton every time. The jumper clash issue is the most trumped up tit for tat issue in the game. I’m not really opposed to Collingwood wearing the other strip but it really isn’t necessary.

In every one of these clash jumper threads, you weigh in saying there is no clash, there is no problem, it's just a trumped up issue, that it's all about merchandising, that there is no real need for clash strips.


I disagree. I'm not colour blind, I don't wear glasses, and I had trouble with it. There is a clash between Carlton's and Collingwood's uniforms.


Are you telling me I didn't have trouble with the strips yesterday?

 

[edgehead47]

I am sick of people blabbing on about tradition, how does a jumper affect the emotion of a game? Its ludicrious. If you need colours and designs to get you up for a game than you just shouldn't bother supporting the team. In modern professional sport, all around the world, be it basketball or soccer or ice hockey or whatever, teams have more than one jumper. Every team should adopt a completly different jumper for away games where needed, its common sense.

Carlton, Freo, the Bulldogs & Eagles have great alternative jumpers, although I think we wear ours too much and I can't comprehend why Hawthorn need to wear a white jumper every second week, they have no reason for an alternative jumper at the moment. This may be due to 'revenue raising' as someone said, but I hear it is because the AFL stipulates a 2 year contract for a jumper to be worn, hence why Brisbane continue to wear that hideous piss stained piece of work.

 

[Subprime]

I'd be happy for Collingwood to wear the black stripes on the white background for home games against Carlton and Essendon and any other games where it helps resolve a "traditional" clash.

 

[billy_31]

I'd be happy for Collingwood to wear the black stripes on the white background for home games against Carlton and Essendon and any other games where it helps resolve a "traditional" clash.

I don't understand why they didnt ask Collingwood to wear white shorts like North Melbourne did the other week against Geelong yet still wear their home jumper.

For the record i believe that if we cud tell who was who for 100 years then no body shud have to wear an alternate jumper. Fine, i get the money and revenue issue, but still the AFL are a bunch if idoits.

 

[MarkT]

In every one of these clash jumper threads, you weigh in saying there is no clash, there is no problem, it's just a trumped up issue, that it's all about merchandising, that there is no real need for clash strips.

Yeh, in every one of them I’ve talked facts. But to be picky, those comments are only in Collingwood clash threads. Everyone else can wear whatever they want as long as it isn’t black and white stripes.

I disagree. I'm not colour blind, I don't wear glasses, and I had trouble with it. There is a clash between Carlton's and Collingwood's uniforms.

Define trouble.

Are you telling me I didn't have trouble with the strips yesterday?

Yes I am. To quote yourself:
“Now, I'm not blind, not stupid, can recognise the majority of AFL players on the ground by how they move, and was able to work it out without too much drama.”

I am telling you I don’t care about your small piece of meaningless minor dissatisfaction however motivated. I find it astounding that anyone can really have a problem telling the difference between a Carlton and a Collingwood player and you yourself admitted it wasn’t really a problem for you. You are just grandstanding now – or maybe you are just standing up for he blind and stupid?

 

[Old Den]

I don't understand why they didnt ask Collingwood to wear white shorts like North Melbourne did the other week against Geelong yet still wear their home jumper.

For the record i believe that if we cud tell who was who for 100 years then no body shud have to wear an alternate jumper. Fine, i get the money and revenue issue, but still the AFL are a bunch if idoits.

It certainly would help if Collingwood always wore the white shorts v Carlton - but then the precious tradition of the away team wearing the white shorts raises its head

But that is only one match up - there is still the other striped jumpers plus all the other instances where the AFL is declaring a change of jumper is needed

 

[juddy_Like]

Coll v Carl:
Coll white strip (like you guys have for 100 years). Carl dark strip (like you guys have for 100 years).


Kang (H) v Coll (A):
Kang royal blue and white strips, blue shorts.
Coll black with 2 white strips, black shorts.



Problem solved???? God this issue is pathetic and done to death. How about we talk about what a great game it was yesterday???