Just a question about the "save essendon" team

[redz]

Was Angelo Di Stefano leading or was one of the senior members leading this group? For one, I know he has been a longtime Sheedy advocate, and is spewing at the way he was treated. Has this been put do bed now, or will our club be going through some tough times with Angelo hitting the media??

 

[Bomber32]

The whole issue was done and dusted last Tuesday night. Hopefully the Save Essendon group have the good sense to just nick off and never be heard from again.

 

[DarthAnnihl8or]

I actually received an email from them last night. They are making lots of excuses for why they were beaten. Unfortunately I don't think that we have heard the last of them.

 

[ant555]

I actually received an email from them last night. They are making lots of excuses for why they were beaten. Unfortunately I don't think that we have heard the last of them.

Lots of excuse's , yeah right.
The reason's where
They where not prepared
Offered no alternatives as far as the resolutions go.
Had no real idea of the legal points.
Did not know the difference between the EGM rules and General buisness rules at an AGM.
Had no idea how the proxy voting works in relation to motions at an EGM compared to proxy votes for general elections at an AGM.
Offered hear say evidence to back their viewpoint.
Didnt really show much of an understanding about how the board worked in relation to Peter Jackson's role.
Of course i dont expect it is the end of them simply becasue when it gets to general buisness at the AGM they will stand up again and this time they will have free reign to ramble on about whatever they want.

 

[DarthAnnihl8or]

Here's a copy of the email for those interested in having a read.

Breaking news from the
Claytons Meeting at Moonee Valley.

Did you know that the only proxy votes that mattered were those addressed to either the Secretary, Mr "Mr. 9%" Jackson and Chairman Ray "I lied and I’ve sacked thousands" Horsburgh?

See Caroline Wilson's article in The Age last week, copy on our website, where “Mr 9%” Jackson admits that he had the majority of the 6000 votes cast. Yes the votes were running very well for him and Ray "I lied and I’ve sacked thousands" Horsburgh.

Isn't it good to know the election result days before the polling day?

It must be so comforting to know results can’t go against you. All votes taken by members to the Special Meeting were declared invalid and were not allowed or counted.

Many members were disenfranchised and felt they were in a no win situation. The whisper was that, because there was no “ballot box,” votes they sent to the club were being tampered with. So, many members took their proxy votes to the meeting expecting to be able to lodge them. We can think of no valid reason other than the obvious for why the club took this course.

In federal and state elections they can count 60,000 votes in two hours. So how long would it take to count 800 votes at a Special Meeting?

But silly people miss the point. You can vote but the vote just won’t be counted.
The Board have to see all the proxy votes in advance. I wonder why?

But you are all being silly again.
At the meeting Bruce Walmsley, the Returning Officer, said the Proxy Votes are not Proxy Votes they are in fact open letters of communication between the member and the club. Because they are open letters, they can be opened and read by one and all, including staff. Thus, Directors and staff not only know how the count is progressing but they also know exactly who voted for what resolution. Where is the democratic principle of “the secret ballot?”

You could have fooled all of us silly people who thought they were Proxy Votes because "Proxy Vote" not "Open Letter " was printed on the form several times. Isn’t it a reasonable expectation that any document labeled Proxy Vote would be treated as a Vote, not an Open Letter?

We wrote to Mr Walmsley ("It’s a letter not a proxy vote") some weeks back asking for the right to scrutinize the counting of the Proxy Votes. We did not receive a reply! The silence was deafening.

We understand that the Returning Officer is only confident to speak at meetings when there is no chance for a reply. But how do you have a sensible conversation with someone who denies the existence of Proxy Votes when the Proxy Vote have been sent to you in the mail?

The Chair at the Special Meeting Daryl Jackson admitted that he didn't run the meeting fairly as pointed out by Bryan Bailey. However, Daryl did, after the meeting concluded offer an apology to Bryan Bailey.
Supposedly this was offered to keep faith with all the members who heard a one sided view.

We do sympathize with Daryl Jackson. He was chosen by the Board to chair this meeting, because we know he was the only dissenting Director in the Sheedy sacking. This meant he was the only Director who commanded sufficient respect from both sides to maintain order. As a Director he is obliged to support the consensus (or majority) decisions of the Board. However, he also seems to understand some of the grievances put by the Save Essendon group.

So what did we learn?

Only votes that go to the Chairman "I lied and I’ve sacked thousands" Horsburgh or Secretary “Mr 9%” Jackson are included in the count.

Any member who takes a proxy to the meeting will be banned from registering it if the club dictates. The Board made this their policy. Thus they disenfranchised many members by arbitrarily ignoring clause 51 of the Club Constitution and provisions of the Corporations Act.

Can anyone can walk in to a meeting conducted by this club and vote twice?

Proxy votes are only seen by those who count them. Proxy votes cease to exist once they have been counted and are destroyed, never see the light of day again.

No proxy vote can ever be checked or verified as being for or against once it has been counted by the incumbent and is added to the count. We have no way of ever knowing these proxies ever existed.

Members and Directors can ignore clause 91 of the constitution by being present at a meeting where they “have a material personal interest in the matter that is being considered.”

It is known that that some clubs and political organizations offer “free” membership to people who promise loyalty and guarantee proxy votes. Branch stacking? Does this Board buy proxy members? Has the system been stacked or rorted?

And members are asked to trust these people.

Please let us know what you think. Your suggestions are most welcome.

Have your say by email at
input@saveessendon.com

Or by post at

Saveessendon Group.
PO Box 127 Glen Iris Vic 3146

 

[jules101]

input@saveessendon.com

Lets bombard them with emails about what we think of them

 

[DarthAnnihl8or]

input@saveessendon.com

Lets bombard them with emails about what we think of them

hehehehe

 

[Lance Uppercut]

input@saveessendon.com

Lets bombard them with emails about what we think of them

done.

Ass-hats

 

[jules101]

done.

Ass-hats

me too..

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Here's what I wrote:

Dear SEG,

As a passionate Essendon supporter and member, I would like to express my disappointment with your group. I believe you are ill-informed, ill-advised, and ill-equipped to present any credible alternative. I feel you have destabilised our great club, at a crucial moment in our history.

I would also like to express my disappointment at the costs you incurred our club, with your underwhelming 100 signature-forced EGM. I feel you have brought the democratic element of our consitution into disrepute.

All of us have struggled in our own way with the ending of the Sheedy era. It is a difficult time. However, the majority of Essendon members and supporters have come to the conclusion that it is time to move forwards, in a united fashion, as illustrated by your overwhelming defeat at the EGM.

I respect your passion and energy for our club, but I would ask that you channel your energies in the appropriate way. I do not believe you have the skills, knowledge, or personnel to provide a credible alternative to the current board. Let's try and improve our club, by all means, but let's not become a Richmond-like rabble in the process.

Your sincerely,

I think that as many emails as possible need to be sent to these polesmokers, but I think that abuse is not the way to go.

Let's make our voices heard!

 

[Merv]

I wouldn't waste on second of my time replying to those unprofessional amateurs

Gotta love this line

It is known that that some clubs and political organizations offer “free” membership to people who promise loyalty and guarantee proxy votes. Branch stacking? Does this Board buy proxy members? Has the system been stacked or rorted?

While i don't agree with their resolution i do acknowledge them having a right to voice their disapproval, i do resent them not doing it in the appropriate manner and causing our club 60K for something that a complete and utter waste of time as those amateur hour tossers were defeated before they even started.

Now get a group together like the Footy First StKilda challenge and have some idea of how things work and put together a professional ticket and challenge at the AGM, you might get a fair bit of support.

 

[jules101]

Dear Save Essendon Group,

Although I think your hearts may be in the right place I think you are completely wrong. I have no idea what you seek to achieve. How does kicking the chairman off the board with no other candidate to elect instead save the club? It is pure stupidity. How does making the club spend $60,000 on an EGM when the issue could have waited to the AGM make sense? A board is elected to make decisions, if you do not agree with every decision then fine vote them off at the appropriate time but you do not see shareholders of major companies calling EGM's with every decision they disagree with. It is pure madness. You are just causing disunity at the club. Please if any of you were at the Chrichton Medal listen to what the PLAYERS said and get behind the coach and just lay this matter to rest.

 

[rines]

To whom it may concern,
I have a simple question to put to you;
What exactly are we saving essendon from? Did I miss that part? Saving it from being Carlton by not finishing in the bottom four every year? Saving it from being Richmond by having constant infighting at board level with pointless EGM's and fractions? Save it from being St Kilda who wasted a whole season dealing with a change of coach rather than winning games?

Whether you were a Sheedy fan or not. Whether you wanted to renew his contract or not. The fact is the thing that has makes us ESSENDON is not our coach, our players or our board. It is the fact that we, as a club, have been steady, foresighted, progressive and UNITED. We have ridden the bumps with a smile on our face and hope in our hearts. We have celebrated the good times together and acknowledge that everyone plays their part in success.


I will hope you will put your obvious pain and disappointment aside to see that there was an EFC before Sheedy and there will be an EFC long after we are gone; that is what makes it so special! Our children and hopefully theirs after that, will be able to watch a group of young men in black shirts with a red sash chase a football around the park, still hoping to find glory in September. I hope that you will think of the greater good and desist in your efforts to divide our beloved club.

I will leave you with two thoughts that come to mind;
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions"
"United we will win, divided we will fall"

Yours sincerely,

 

[rines]

I wouldn't waste on second of my time replying to those unprofessional amateurs

Gotta love this line



While i don't agree with their resolution i do acknowledge them having a right to voice their disapproval, i do resent them not doing it in the appropriate manner and causing our club 60K for something that a complete and utter waste of time as those amateur hour tossers were defeated before they even started.

Now get a group together like the Footy First StKilda challenge and have some idea of how things work and put together a professional ticket and challenge at the AGM, you might get a fair bit of support.

Do you really think they will get a fair bit of support? I actually think most supporters were shocked, a little sad but ultimately acknowledge that at some point we had to move on. Things change. As to the lying to the media, I would have been angrier if he didn't!! Could you imagine if one of the greats of our club woke up to find out he'd been sacked in the paper??? Totally unacceptable. They waited to talk to KS and then held a press conference in a professional manner, as I would demand from the EFC!! If a company is making cut backs, would you want them to announce who is getting sacked to the plant first or tell them nothing is wrong etc till they could talk to individuals involved? to me it is the same situation...

As a thought do you think we need a new board? (Know you didn't agree with resolution etc) Just interested to see what the vibe is out there...

 

[Bomber Bill]

To whom it may concern,
I have a simple question to put to you;
What exactly are we saving essendon from? Did I miss that part? Saving it from being Carlton by not finishing in the bottom four every year? Saving it from being Richmond by having constant infighting at board level with pointless EGM's and fractions? Save it from being St Kilda who wasted a whole season dealing with a change of coach rather than winning games?

Whether you were a Sheedy fan or not. Whether you wanted to renew his contract or not. The fact is the thing that has makes us ESSENDON is not our coach, our players or our board. It is the fact that we, as a club, have been steady, foresighted, progressive and UNITED. We have ridden the bumps with a smile on our face and hope in our hearts. We have celebrated the good times together and acknowledge that everyone plays their part in success.


I will hope you will put your obvious pain and disappointment aside to see that there was an EFC before Sheedy and there will be an EFC long after we are gone; that is what makes it so special! Our children and hopefully theirs after that, will be able to watch a group of young men in black shirts with a red sash chase a football around the park, still hoping to find glory in September. I hope that you will think of the greater good and desist in your efforts to divide our beloved club.

I will leave you with two thoughts that come to mind;
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions"
"United we will win, divided we will fall"

Yours sincerely,

Gold.

 

[Merv]

Do you really think they will get a fair bit of support? I actually think most supporters were shocked, a little sad but ultimately acknowledge that at some point we had to move on. Things change. As to the lying to the media, I would have been angrier if he didn't!! Could you imagine if one of the greats of our club woke up to find out he'd been sacked in the paper??? Totally unacceptable. They waited to talk to KS and then held a press conference in a professional manner, as I would demand from the EFC!! If a company is making cut backs, would you want them to announce who is getting sacked to the plant first or tell them nothing is wrong etc till they could talk to individuals involved? to me it is the same situation...

As a thought do you think we need a new board? (Know you didn't agree with resolution etc) Just interested to see what the vibe is out there...

Maybe my thread was a bit misleading in the way i worded it.

I was trying, prolly badly, to get accross how could a bunch of amateurs with no clue what they were doing hope to have any impact agaisnt a board that has offered us profits and stability.

In contrast the Footy First ticket acted in a professional manner and IF you supported their ticket, you could do so with some confidence, in contrast to supporting a bunch of faceless clowns that essentially stood for very little and virtually had no voice other than Patrick Smith.

As for whether i agree with the current board or it's members, i'm far from convinced with them but i will continue to support them as the EFC has provided me with many premierships and years of enjoyment without hardly an off field ripple.
I couldn't say the same about a lot of other clubs.

IF the times comes when i feel i can no longer tolerate the board, which i doubt will happen, due to their decisions i would hope to have a professional superior alternative provided before i would consider giving them my support.

Not a bunch of amatuer hour clowns crying in their beers because we didn't renew Sheedy's contract and our President lied to the media.......booo, friggen, hoo.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Not a bunch of amatuer hour clowns crying in their beers because we didn't renew Sheedy's contract and our President lied to the media.......booo, friggen, hoo.

that's the one that gets me. They are calling Horsborough a liar because he wasn't straight with the media!! Can you imagine these clowns taking over the reigns??!!

"oh yes, we must be completely honest with the media at all times, even when it's not in our interests" Yeah...just like Eddie

 

[Merv]

that's the one that gets me. They are calling Horsborough a liar because he wasn't straight with the media!! Can you imagine these clowns taking over the reigns??!!

"oh yes, we must be completely honest with the media at all times, even when it's not in our interests" Yeah...just like Eddie

Exactly Lance.

And the most ironic part of the whole thing is the person they were trying to "save" was the biggest liar to the media in our club.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Exactly Lance.

And the most ironic part of the whole thing is the person they were trying to "save" was the biggest liar to the media in our club.

lol so true!!

 

[rines]

Yeah that makes sense now Merv. That is pretty much how I feel. Like if they feel the club is doing things they don't agree with, launch a proper alternative ticket at the appropriate time, ie AGM and NOT through the media...! I guess I am just really worried that if this drags on, with no footy to keep the journo's busy this thing could just get messy. Just look at clubs like Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton and St Kilda.. I don't think it is just chance they are the bottom clubs. For my mind you can not have on field success with off field drama.

 

[ant555]

Yeah that makes sense now Merv. That is pretty much how I feel. Like if they feel the club is doing things they don't agree with, launch a proper alternative ticket at the appropriate time, ie AGM and NOT through the media...! I guess I am just really worried that if this drags on, with no footy to keep the journo's busy this thing could just get messy. Just look at clubs like Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton and St Kilda.. I don't think it is just chance they are the bottom clubs. For my mind you can not have on field success with off field drama.

It wont go on too long. All that is left for them is to put forward some people to stand at the next elections. The media now know they are a joke.
Unless some sort of miracle happens they will be unable to organise a ticket anyway.

 

[DaSawx]

Did they really need to use the same stupid "nicknames" over and over thoughout the e-mail? I thought these people were somewhat mature....

 

[rines]

I'm sure the media do know they are a joke. BUT do you think that will stop them writing crappy articles to fill up space when there is no trade week or draft to talk about. AGM aligns nicely with absolutely bloody nothing going on.. And we all know a certain journo who loves to dump on EFC... Anyway you're right, enough said. I guess it is just hard enough having to deal with a new coach (first time in my life) let alone worry about EFC being back page news for all the wrong reasons...

 

[7zark7]

I think that the main Knobjockey from the EGM should stop carrying on with his $7500 pa in memberships and start paying the club back the $65k that he cost us.

Mate we don't want members like you.

 

[slugger]

I think that the main Knobjockey from the EGM should stop carrying on with his $7500 pa in memberships and start paying the club back the $65k that he cost us.

Mate we don't want members like you.

When he got up and said that, there was a comment from the right side of the hall....write him a cheque and tell him to f*** off!

I just feel that these people don't represent my club. They seemed to be stroppy that the board even thought they had a RIGHT to terminate Sheedy's tenure. They offered only ridiculous alternatives.

I want the names of those 108 people to make sure NONE OF THEM ever are successful in standing for the board. They're vile.