Coach Justin Longmuir - Head Coach

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Coming off our best 4 years in the clubs history...

We then went down and were tracking upwards under Lyon, since JL took over we have stagnated
Stagnated? or delivering the same results as Lyon but also attracting good coaches, no off field drama, harmony among the playing group, actually doing media and turning them onside with our club....
 
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Lyon had a 4 win season and stayed on for another 3 years.

Seesh - some short memories around here.
Cherry picking much?

And since then his teams improved and in two seasons JL has made a one win improvement and a lower percentage. That is what we are talking about. Sheesh - some selective memories around here.
 

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Stagnated, or delivering the same results as Lyon but also attracting good coaches, no off field drama, harmony among the playing group, actually doing media and turning them onside with our club....
as haselby said the other night, all reports to him are it's a happy place down at Freo atm at all levels and it hasn't been like that for many years.
 

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as haselby said the other night, all reports to him are it's a happy place down at Freo atm at all levels and it hasn't been like that for many years.

That is good news. Now we need to see it on the ladder. Good platform though.
 

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Coming off our best 4 years in the clubs history...

We then went down and were tracking upwards under Lyon, since JL took over we have stagnated
Cherry picking much?

And since then his teams improved and in two seasons JL has made a one win improvement and a lower percentage. That is what we are talking about. Sheesh - some selective memories around here.
Saying that Ross' teams were "improving" or "tracking upwards" is just as selective tbh. We had one big year of improvement from 4 wins to 8 wins, then 3 years of 8, 8, and 9. Hardly inspiring.
 

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Cherry picking much?

And since then his teams improved and in two seasons JL has made a one win improvement and a lower percentage. That is what we are talking about. Sheesh - some selective memories around here.
2017 - 12th 8 wins
2018 - 12th 8 wins
2019 - 13th 9 wins

who had the 1 win improvement?

Cherry picking much?
 

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I'm not saying he should be held accountable, more that it's in his benefit.
3 years of players playing in a different system is to his benefit? The only benefit is that younger players put some muscle on and some game experience but any new coach gets that..
 

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I agree, but I'm realistic.

We've recently lost Neale, Hill, Langdon, Hogan and Cerra to other clubs.

McCarthy, Kersten, Matera, Conca are all gone from the first 'rebuild' and Hamling looks cooked.

That's a truck load of talent JLo has to replace.

It's remarkable we're not bottom 4.
Serious? Several of that first batch of names are pre Longmuir, and most of the second batch leaving are nett positive.

And what's with the "Hamling looks cooked" comment? There may be competition for a KPD role but Hamling will be at the front of the queue by some margin.
 

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It's a great move ...stability is extremely important.

Lots to build around and I think we just need to hope the players continue to develop.
Pretty nice moves in the off field support areas are giving me more than hope that the players develop.
 

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Coming off our best 4 years in the clubs history...

We then went down and were tracking upwards under Lyon, since JL took over we have stagnated
I don't see stagnation even though results kind of support that. We have lacked depth in our list and in our support staff. I see significant change there. Building foundations isn't stagnation.
 
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Serious? Several of that first batch of names are pre Longmuir, and most of the second batch leaving are nett positive.

And what's with the "Hamling looks cooked" comment? There may be competition for a KPD role but Hamling will be at the front of the queue by some margin.
I'm certainly not knocking the guy, but he has played 1 game in 2 years.

I'd love him to come back and demand a spot ahead of Cox and Pearce. He's got the talent, but he's coming from a long way back.
 

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3 years of players playing in a different system is to his benefit? The only benefit is that younger players put some muscle on and some game experience but any new coach gets that..

the majority of the list needed to be turned over, only 12 players from 2017 are still here. Forget politics about who's head coach, it's silly to think we were going to be competitive and playing finals in 2018/19, it takes time to go through a legitimate rebuild. but I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that now when you look at the list, which is 5 years in now. I sincerely like Longmuir, but don't understand the desire to give him a low bar for expectations, which I don't even think will be agreeable to anyone when/if the reality of a poor first half of a season eventuates.
 

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Lots of interesting thoughts being expressed in here.
I'm quite happy to see JL get the extension, as has been said, a new coach worth his salt usually needs a period of time to bed in the changes and for list turnovers to occur. I've always believed it to be unreasonable to turf a coach after such a short term, unless Mark Neeld walks through the door. At least 5 years if I had to pick a number.

Sure, Lyon got us going fairly quick by comparison when he arrived but our list was pretty mature to a point and his tactics worked very well.

This time we've done a proper draft cycle and need that maturing to happen before we can hope to contend. Obviously, we've drafted quite well so expectations build from that too but I think JL is proving to be capable in many coaching facets.

Relating to our off field leadership, I think back to the Rosich/Lyon hey day (sooooooo long ago :p) and recall the wonders they did in pumping up our "presence" in the AFL landscape and I do remember people spruiking that around here and myself as well. I think both of those individuals brashness and arrogance helped in that and in the end, the club benefited from that.
In saying that, I do think we have people in place that are currently doing a stellar job (Bell, Garlick (though, not here long enough yet to rate impact), Wells are the public faces). I feel like this group is a more sophisticated lot and, also as said before, I find it hard to fault the decision making too.

I think we've generally been a sizable club for the last 15 yrs or so but are just now wielding that capability more effectively in recent times.
 

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Are we forgetting that if things turn to sh*t, and we need to let him go, we only have to pay out 6 months? Not the whole contract.

the extension now shows faith in the direction, and removes the perceived pressure from external for a while. Gives the players confidence to re-sign and extend as well.

It’s an important step, showing the confidence to extend early, but is not the handcuff many seem to think it is
I thought that was only for AFL assisted teams?
 

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The idea that a 2 year contract extension relieves pressure is a bit misguided. JL has one job, and it's to win a flag. That job doesn't change because we've said he can have a go for two more years after this one. He's also not kicking back in his lazyboy breathing a big sigh of relief, the weight of expectation from a success-starved supporter base will be plenty.

We have been talking constantly about sustained success, and the clubs with sustained success have all backed in their coaches for the whole journey. The 5 year plan being released already meant the club was going to stick with JL - if you reckon we're a better shot of making top 4 with a brand new coach than we are with the incumbent then you're dreaming.
I will say to this that because JL has a memorable playing history with us, he has more grace in my book. It helps to see that he can coach too heh heh
 

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2017 - 12th 8 wins
2018 - 12th 8 wins
2019 - 13th 9 wins

who had the 1 win improvement?

Cherry picking much?

Based on your stats he had a 4 win improvement and then the same and a one win. Are you saying JL didn't have a one win improvement? I don't understand your point. Some posters are talking about the improvement at the club under JL. You mentioned it being on and off field. I simply stated going by wins and percentage we have been pretty much stagnant. Those are the stats.
 

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I don't see stagnation even though results kind of support that. We have lacked depth in our list and I'm our support staff. I see significant change there. Building foundations isn't stagnation.

This is a better argument than we are just 'improving under JL'. I think part of this is the perception driven by good social media, they have improved drastically. I hope our assistants are better, but am not sure we can know. They don't have a massive amount of experience, but the feeling around the club is positive so that is a bonus.
 

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This is a better argument than we are just 'improving under JL'. I think part of this is the perception driven by good social media, they have improved drastically. I hope our assistants are better, but am not sure we can know. They don't have a massive amount of experience, but the feeling around the club is positive so that is a bonus.
I know what you're saying about being unable to know the quality of our new assistants, training watchers may have some idea but we never see the behind the doors stuff, really.

I like to think that the new guys like Carr, Corey, Boyd played long illustrious carriers because they were good at understanding the coaches game plan and taking it on. Add on that they're all highly regarded personalities and that should translate to good communication and translation of those skills to the players.............I hope.
 

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Surely only injuries keep us out of finals?

JLo's got the cattle, and I think he coached us well enough to make finals last year - we missed out due to losing a few very winnable games, and channeling Stevie Wonder in front of the sticks. Fix just one of those and we're in.

Oir fixture list is ok - I'll be disappointed if we don't double up on the Eagles, and at least split with Carlton.

We stay healthy and I'm feeling bullish, and not in my usual unrealistic Freo offseason way.

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There will be 2 factors that will determine whether Freo will make finals or not..... Injuries are one. The other is the fixture of the games, especially close games vs teams trying to make finals.

Interesting that Freo extended Justin Longmuir deal until 2024 and did it before his final season of his contract.

I am for one that wants stability. But it seems the Freo Board have confidence in Justin Longmuir.

I am not fully convinced. Personally I would of waited until halfway into the season or late in the season to renew.
 

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Club has gone early on this, hope it doesn't bite us
that's what I am worried about.
But he's getting sacked next year if we don't make finals! :rolleyes::tearsofjoy:
if Freo are 3-7 after round 10 or even 0-5 after 5 rounds with the fixture we have got, questions will be asked
 

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People saying Lyon stagnated are ignoring the massive list turnover that was occurring in those years, the development of players was on the up and has aided Longmuir but he still can't get more wins on the board


Longmuir took over 4 years into a rebuild, Lyon "stagnated" while turning over the list in years 2 and 3
 

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Hes now got 3 years to execute his plan, which should mean by year 2024 we are top 4. If we win more than we lose next year, that’d be great, but it’s more about game development & continued improvement in our stoppage work, inside 50 entries & accuracy on goal.
There will be inconsistencies with our performances over the next 2 years as we integrate even more young players, but those young players are important to any finals success.
With the age demographic of our list I’d want to finish 6-10 next season, 4-7 2023 & top 4 2024. I dont think that’s unreasonable & any negative decisions on his future should be made during 2024.
For me anything better than that in the next 2 years will be a pleasant surprise.
Hang on, hasn't he club said three top 4 finishes and a flag by 2025? Inconsistent performances over the next two years and only worrying about game development might be a realist/pessimist assessment, but it's not the club's assessment
I had to read both of these posts again.

1st off, Bring back Drum wrote that Freo should be top 4 by 2024.

On the other hand Square Peg said the Freo Board wants 3 top 4 finishes and a flag by 2025.

Both of those aims would be hard to do but possible.

I can see Freo making 3 prelims between 2022-25. We would be lucky and fortunate to make one.

But to be realistic, I think going by history of certain teams in the past for examples.

I look at west coasts 2002-06 era how they built it up.

2002-04 made 3 Elim finals. 2003 was a wasted chance to them as they could of made top 6 or even top 4. That meant they should of won a final from 2002-4. The made a grand final in 2005 and won the flag in 2006. They also traded in players with finals wins from other clubs too.

Richmond's build up to the 2017 flag was interesting too. 2013-15, they made 3 Elim finals. You could make a case they should of won at least one of them vs Carlton in 2013 or Kangaroos in 2015.

tigers then missed out on finals in 2016 and won the flag in 2017.

Heres my opinion on what I think might happen. I think Freo will either finish 9th or 10th in 2022 or pinch 8th and get beaten in an Elim final.

make Elim finals in 2023-4 and get a finals win or 2 in that 2 year period. Then make top 4 in 2025-26 then drop.


i have always predicted Justin Longmuir will last around 5-7 years and will give us a 3-4 year finals run
 

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