Justin Longmuir

[gouki88]

Buckley by signing the contract agreed to having MM stay on - no FIGJAM about it.
So MM therefore is clearly at fault, for the dynasty not being achieved.

Lol. Whatever man, you're clearly not open to any actual discussion. Every post is just trying to blame Mick entirely, even though everyone involved dropped the ball

 

[loki04]

His teams haven't been truly competitive for some time, and his gameplan doesn't seem to gel as well with how the league is moving. It might be a list thing, who knows. He could be a 2nd coming of Mick for us if he still has the drive

Well they did win 3 straight flags, there was always going to be a dramatic drop much like lions after 04.

You get starved of low end picks when constantly top 2, they got dicked on Buddy FA too.

He went for the quick fix of trading in which imo was a mistake and how essendon and norf floundered mid table through much of the 00s.

Imo you need to bake the cake with drafting before you ice it with trades.

Even the Hawks under clarko originally (01 to 07) did it that way, i think they looked at their trades and our trades for 2010 and assumed you could short circuit the dip process.

Problem is its not just the talent but player grow together and bond from young they also develop more feelings for first club going there at 18 rather then buisness decision at 26.

 

[loki04]

I meant if Mick was in the DC role they would have clashed heads. That may well be the case, but I think it would've been a fractured team (guys loyal to Mick like Heater & Daisy) and those loyal to Bucks.

Yeah i dont think the DC role was ever going to work unfortunately.

 

[Markfs]

Sarcasm or a rare genuine post?

Genuinely interested to know!

does it matter? i read some posts and didnt know if i had stumbled into an afl forum for teens but sometimes it's good to be silly after a bad loss. There's a good feeling in posting something stupid... i'm sure others know this..

to answer your question, the loss seems to be more about a lack of players than buckley's strategies. However......The sight of lyndyn dunn in his 2nd week back made me think "what were they thinking". I would have preferred to have played jarryd roughhead if he had kept up his fitness down at the saints. We ave a soft underbelly because of a lack of talls and who can you blame for that?

 

[Markfs]

i just scanned back and saw a few posts referring to malthouse....LOL!!!!!!! omg i hope some people take care of themselves this week.

 

[loki04]

does it matter? i read some posts and didnt know if i had stumbled into an afl forum for teens but sometimes it's good to be silly after a bad loss. There's a good feeling in posting something stupid... i'm sure others know this..

to answer your question, the loss seems to be more about a lack of players than buckley's strategies. However......The sight of lyndyn dunn in his 2nd week back made me think "what were they thinking". I would have preferred to have played jarryd roughhead if he had kept up his fitness down at the saints. We ave a soft underbelly because of a lack of talls and who can you blame for that?

So you are of the belief the system and general team talent is fine and only recent injury is preventing a flag year?

So why have we played such poor footy nearly all year?
Also if you watch most of last years HnA games it was very similar story to this year.
Only difference was we "hung on" for a few more close wins.

It matters because the sarcasm usually gets directed at those who are percieved to be negative in posting about how they percieve the club and direction the last few years.

Was wondering if you had a change of heart suddenly. Guess ya haven't carry on.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Aiming to low with pick imo will need top6 to get a quality kpf.

I’ll take your word for that. With the lack of exposure these kids will have to elite junior football this year, making the right call at draft time will be harder but potentially more rewarding than ever.

 

[loki04]

I’ll take your word for that. With the lack of exposure these kids will have to elite junior football this year, making the right call at draft time will be harder but potentially more rewarding than ever.

Best juniors in SA, WA, NT, QLD still playing state leagues.

 

[soreplums]

MM was on the verge of being sacked until he signed a contract under the succession plan. The succession plan gave him a flag, he knew at the time of signing he was going to be the Director of Coaching to mentor Buckley - a sensible plan for an inexperienced coach. And MM walked out so the Clubs plans were scuttled.
As to Longmuir, he left to be a head coach, in his home state, at his old club - very strong reasons to leave. And I’m sure we did everything possible to talk him into staying.

North had offered Buckley a five year deal. He would of accepted if MM didn’t agree to the deal

 

[No SPIN]

North had offered Buckley a five year deal. He would of accepted if MM didn’t agree to the deal

So are you saying MM was FORCED to sign so Buckley would stay ?

 

[jackcass]

Everybody has raved about Longmuir and his tactical nous and how in his roles he has been able to develop players. I have not read anywhere of anybody praising Harvey for his tactical nous or development of players in his previous assistant coach role or in his 9 years at the Pies. Maybe that is why he is still there?

As with all these discussions on coaches, do we actually know any of this or is it just a convenient narrative/justification given the teams current form?

 

[jackcass]

Also Hocking not been allowed back was a Terrible Move

No VFL, no need for a VFL coach.

 

[jackcass]

a full time coach at one of the biggest clubs in the country should not need a baby sitter. Its obvious MM wasnt happy about the director of coaching role, why would he leave otherwise?

Then why sign a contract that specified exactly that? Eddie threw him a life line after the board (apparently) wanted him gone, he jumped at it. Had the choice, could have just waited to be sacked.

 

[jackcass]

I meant if Mick was in the DC role they would have clashed heads. That may well be the case, but I think it would've been a fractured team (guys loyal to Mick like Heater & Daisy) and those loyal to Bucks.

From the outside looking in, MM sowed a lot of that angst with his treatment of Bucks through those transition years. He'd likely still be in a very well paid DC position if he'd embraced it fully from the get-go and taken his new role to mentor Bucks seriously instead of as an impediment. It became evident through the latter stages of 2011 that there were serious issues with MM's adherence to the succession plan and that angst more likely cost us the 2011 flag than anything else. The unrest he caused among the playing group combined with injury issues to key players meant that a dynasty beyond 2011 was never going to happen. Bucks may not be perfect and he certainly has had his struggles, but he came away from the succession plan smelling of roses.

 

[JLC]

No coincidence, it's fact.

I remember many a times last season having discussions with a mate post game and he would always bang on about how the defence is down to Longmuir.

You can see with what Longmuir has done at Fremantle in a short space of time, that he knows what he is doing. They are hard to play against.

And you can see that as soon as the club let go of our other coaches Hocking and //Boyd//Gotch? That our performances went down hill.

Buckley needs help.

I think he has developed into a good people person and face of the club. But tactically he needs help.

No shame in that. Klopp is a great manager for Liverpool but always acknowledges the help of his assistants as being crucial to the overall success



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[TheGreatGrundy]

SO.... Sam Mitchell coach and Clarke as his Mentor?

Imagine the cost of such an arrangement! At a time when lists and assistant coaches are being trimmed, we can't afford the double expense of coaches and mentors. The coach is either ready or he is not.

 

[Roverjg]

As with all these discussions on coaches, do we actually know any of this or is it just a convenient narrative/justification given the teams current form?

bc.net.au/news/2019-09-30/fremantle-dockers-appoint-justin-longmuir-as-new-afl-head-coach/11552242

Eagles assistant defects to Magpies

Justin Longmuir will serve under Nathan Buckley at Collingwood next season.

thewest.com.au

Fremantle's decision to put Justin Longmuir in charge makes sense — now for the hard part

Appointing coaches just because they have played for that club is not always the best strategy, but Justin Longmuir ticks all the boxes for Fremantle. Now he just needs to tick a few more, writes Clint Thomas.

www.abc.net.au

Assistant Longmuir gets senior role in Eagles' coaching shake-up

West Coast assistant earns promotion, new forwards coach named

www.afl.com.au

 

[jackcass]

bc.net.au/news/2019-09-30/fremantle-dockers-appoint-justin-longmuir-as-new-afl-head-coach/11552242

Eagles assistant defects to Magpies

Justin Longmuir will serve under Nathan Buckley at Collingwood next season.

thewest.com.au

Fremantle's decision to put Justin Longmuir in charge makes sense — now for the hard part

Appointing coaches just because they have played for that club is not always the best strategy, but Justin Longmuir ticks all the boxes for Fremantle. Now he just needs to tick a few more, writes Clint Thomas.

www.abc.net.au

Assistant Longmuir gets senior role in Eagles' coaching shake-up

West Coast assistant earns promotion, new forwards coach named

www.afl.com.au

Yeah, I was referring to Harvey. I have heard several comments over his time at Collingwood suggesting that he is very good tactically. Does our ignorance of the internal machinations or the lack of more formal testimonials diminish that?

 

[Roverjg]

Yeah, I was referring to Harvey. I have heard several comments over his time at Collingwood suggesting that he is very good tactically. Does our ignorance of the internal machinations or the lack of more formal testimonials diminish that?

No it doesn't. Football in many ways is a perception based industry. All the successful new coaches in recent years have usually been AC at several clubs and there is a link (whether true or not) to improved performance. In the lines that Longmuir oversaw from mids, forwards etc there was improvement. His name was pushed forward as a coach. Harvey has been at the Pies for 9 years. The lines he has been in charge of have performed fair to poor at that time. So rightly or wrongly he is being judged on those outcomes. In 2009-10 he was midfield coach at Carlton. 2011 he was midfield AC at St.K 2012-13 he was midfield coach at the Pies. 14/15 he was senior AC. 2016/17 he was backline coach. Longmuir was appointed backline coach for 2018/19. 2018-20 Harvey is midfield and transition coach. I don't hear anybody pushing Harvey's case forward despite him applying for the vacant coaching roles over recent times

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[jackcass]

No it doesn't. Football in many ways is a perception based industry. All the successful new coaches in recent years have usually been AC at several clubs and there is a link (whether true or not) to improved performance. In the lines that Longmuir oversaw from mids, forwards etc there was improvement. His name was pushed forward as a coach. Harvey has been at the Pies for 9 years. The lines he has been in charge of have performed fair to poor at that time. So rightly or wrongly he is being judged on those outcomes. In 2009-10 he was midfield coach at Carlton. 2011 he was midfield AC at St.K 2012-13 he was midfield coach at the Pies. 14/15 he was senior AC. 2016/17 he was backline coach. Longmuir was appointed backline coach for 2018/19. 2018-20 Harvey is midfield and transition coach. I don't hear anybody pushing Harvey's case forward despite him applying for the vacant coaching roles over recent times

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Assistant coaches generally get invited to interview for those vacant senior positions. That he gets those invites I think says more about how he’s perceived within the industry than the perceptions of a few posters who have no actual idea. He may or may not be a good coach. I don’t know. But when you hear people who work with him say things like he’s very good tactically then I do give that weight.

 

[Black_White]

Putting his stamp on the Dockers.
Two players walking out after being told no 2021 contract.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Putting his stamp on the Dockers.
Two players walking out after being told no 2021 contract.

Meanwhile...I wouldn't be suprised if Pies gave Reid, Thomas, Mayne or Varcoe another chance

 

[jmac70]

Justin Longmuir, is it a coincidence that this man came to us in 2018 and we came from a bottom 6 team to just losing a granny by under a goal and then bringing us to a prelim the next year, and now that his gone our structure is non existent, buckley has turned back to his pre 2017 gameplan.
For the love of god bucks just leave and take eddie with ya

Maybe Freo should replace Longmuir with Bucks.

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

Maybe Freo should replace Longmuir with Bucks.

And Longmuir as his backline assistant coach.

 

[BigVic]

If Bucks becomes Freo coach, I'll wish him well