Kane Lucas

[Claypigeon]

Imagine the hate if Heppell bumped Lucas to the ground too easily and then found Carlisle on the fifty with a good long kick. Wait, that was Lucas knocking over Heppell and winning the ball in the midfield to find Waite.

Sack Brock who dropped a mark in our half by spending it before he had it. Ball rebounded like Sugar's miss. Silly to focus on Lucas who wasn't our worst.

Think you're missing the point, the main criticism is his softness at the contest due to the perception he is easily intimidated into poor decision making. .. He has improved a little in this area but its still frustrating to watch him shirk contests. .. I can likely find a half dozen instances of this for every one of those plays like on Heppel who isn't a scary prospect to take on. ..

Brock's fumble was frustrating but out of character, as he usually puts his body on the line more than most with good judgement. ..

And please don't confuse the matter by bringing up Armfield who always had G&D but just needed to improve his skills. ..

 

[BlueBelle]

Malthouse has shown a liking for playing players in positions that the don't like, or are unused to playing. Obvious examples would be: Kreuzer as permanent forward, Simpson back, Laidler forward, Walker back, etc, etc... The end product of this approach is that the players learn to work on weaknesses in their game. It also sends a message of 'play your role' and 'team first approach.'

What position could Mick play Lucas in that would teach him a few things that are underdeveloped or weaknesses in his game?

Tagger? Pressure and tackling skills.

 

[pepalenko]

Tagger? Pressure and tackling skills.

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[Monkey King]

That miss from 5m out was unacceptable, but none more so than some of the carry on about him here.

 

[Silvagnis]

Think you're missing the point, the main criticism is his softness at the contest due to the perception he is easily intimidated into poor decision making. .. He has improved a little in this area but its still frustrating to watch him shirk contests. .. I can likely find a half dozen instances of this for every one of those plays like on Heppel who isn't a scary prospect to take on. ..

Brock's fumble was frustrating but out of character, as he usually puts his body on the line more than most with good judgement. ..

And please don't confuse the matter by bringing up Armfield who always had G&D but just needed to improve his skills. ..

I realise where Lucas needs to improve, but Armfield is a good example of someone who has developed and improved after another two seasons. I've seen Lucas win the ball in close and find the target by hand after evading tacklers. One draft junkie on BF posted that he was an agility freak at junior level. The views I've seen that he's no good or wasn't a first round pick are wrong.

Lucas doesn't deserve the firing squad after Brock fumbled and Armfield missed too.

 

[BlueBelle]

I realise where Lucas needs to improve, but Armfield is a good example of someone who has developed and improved after another two seasons. I've seen Lucas win the ball in close and find the target by hand after evading tacklers. One draft junkie on BF posted that he was an agility freak at junior level. The views I've seen that he's no good or wasn't a first round pick are wrong.

Lucas doesn't deserve the firing squad after Brock fumbled and Armfield missed too.

It's not just about this week though. That's what you have failed to acknowledge. You said it yourself, you realise where he needs to improve so go back to the twos and improve. Just like Hampson is doing.

 

[T2B_]

He'll be fine, he's only played 30 something games FFS, with a horror run of injuries.

A good run injury-wise and another 30-50 games and we'll all be singing his praises, I'm fairly confident in that.

That miss at goal was deplorable, but considering half our team is capable of that on any given week, I don't think he should be singled out too much. We know he's much better than that at goal usually.

 

[GoBlues!]

Lucas doesn't deserve the firing squad after Brock fumbled and Armfield missed too.

Judd's miss was also costly, but I guess at that stage of the game when we were 31 points up it may not have seemed as important as Lucas' miss. All misses, fumbles, poor tackles and decisions are costly.

Yes I know Lucas was only 5m out and shouldn't have missed but I wonder if the situation was reversed whether we would be roasting Juddy - the highest paid player at the club, probably not.

 

[mike ockerts]

He'll be fine, he's only played 30 something games FFS, with a horror run of injuries.

A good run injury-wise and another 30-50 games and we'll all be singing his praises, I'm fairly confident in that.

That miss at goal was deplorable, but considering half our team is capable of that on any given week, I don't think he should be singled out too much. We know he's much better than that at goal usually.

I'm not so sure of that, I think he is an ok finisher, but certainly nothing to write home about, maybe it will come with this experience and games played that many around here bang on about. I guess we'll see, and if turns out I'm wrong I'll eat my humble pie, and would be more than happy to.

 

[mike ockerts]

Judd's miss was also costly, but I guess at that stage of the game when we were 31 points up it may not have seemed as important as Lucas' miss. All misses, fumbles, poor tackles and decisions are costly.

Yes I know Lucas was only 5m out and shouldn't have missed but I wonder if the situation was reversed whether we would be roasting Juddy - the highest paid player at the club, probably not.

Pigs arse I wouldn't, if Chris judd missed from there I'd flame him harder because he is a seasoned veteran.

 

[Silvagnis]

It's not just about this week though. That's what you have failed to acknowledge. You said it yourself, you realise where he needs to improve so go back to the twos and improve. Just like Hampson is doing.

You fail to acknowledge that I don't agree.

 

[OldBlueFan]

I'm all for giving players a fair go but think Lucas has had this to date this year.

Why should he remain in the side in your opinion and why don't you think he needs to learn from his mistakes and be sent back to the twos to do so?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts without sarcasm btw.

For the same reason that White wasn't? Look at his next 2 performances after the zero disposal game against Brisbane as an example.

This board is funny. Every time the team has a loss, it's time to look for scapegoats.

Players do have off days, and young/inexperienced players have more than others.

 

[goreds]

For those that didn't see this mornings football show, the Lucas miss was singled out as the turning point of the match by people who should know...

Having said that, Lucas should play this week against the Hawks for two reasons...

He has the chance to put his ability on the line against one of the two hardest sides in the competition. If he doesn't stand up then he will not play against the Swans, simple...!

 

[GoBlues!]

For those that didn't see this mornings football show, the Lucas miss was singled out as the turning point of the match by people who should know...

Having said that, Lucas should play this week against the Hawks for two reasons...

He has the chance to put his ability on the line against one of the two hardest sides in the competition. If he doesn't stand up then he will not play against the Swans, simple...!

So the whole match hinged on Lucas' miss.

Are we saying that other incidents like Judd's miss, Armfield's miss, Brock's fumble, Garlett's goal not paid, White's weak tackle on Carlisle who goaled, Yarran's effort....wouldn't have had any influence on the outcome of the match?

 

[Omega Blue]

I am really enjoying Lucas's development, I can remember how many times this season I've seen the walker to lucas link up from defence to the wing, I don't believe he needs to get the the hard ball and be an all rounded midfielder just yet, lets let him develop without shafting him to the twos because the supporter base needs a scape goat.

On performances this year the only midfielders above him from his draft year are Dustin Martin, Nathan Fyfe.
and he is on par with Ryan Bastinac and Harry Cunnington
Better than players like Scully, Jetta (who is 2yrs older),Trengove, and Melksham
And the biggest stat of all all the above players have played at least 40 more games than him.

 

[mediumsizered]

For those that didn't see this mornings football show, the Lucas miss was singled out as the turning point of the match by people who should know...

Having said that, Lucas should play this week against the Hawks for two reasons...

He has the chance to put his ability on the line against one of the two hardest sides in the competition. If he doesn't stand up then he will not play against the Swans, simple...!

Yet after leading by 14 points at 3 quarter time & kicking the 1st goal of the last quarter to lead by 20 points, it all boils down to one missed shot for goal midway through the 3rd quarter. Gee, I couldn't even imagine Jack Dyer making such a ridiculous call on World of Sport. Suffice to say the quality of media commentators covering the game nowadays is well below that of yesteryear.

 

[Omega Blue]

problem is that sports "experts" are all ex players or personalities, i'd say 90% of players wouldn't have any idea on what made them good at footy, and most of the personalities are only there because the media assumes we want to see these people on telly.
I'd much rather get a game analysis from a fat nerd who doesn't leave the couch from Monday to sunday because the are obsessed with footy and understand the game better than some Muppet who happened to make a career out of footy because he could bounce and kick the ball in his 20s

 

[Silvagnis]

For those that didn't see this mornings football show, the Lucas miss was singled out as the turning point of the match by people who should know...

Why didn't this expert single out other errors?

Why didn't Simpson hold his ground against Goddard who gave a Joe the goose goal to Kommer before the last change?

Talk about picking and choosing.

 

[gbatman]

He's very frustrating. Can find the ball, run and can get it out in space but his disposal is poor, he's afraid of high contact, won't put his head over it and his competing in contests is weak. Tackling is no good. Could be a good player if he wasn't afraid of a bit of contact. He's got a bit to change to take it to the next level.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Have seen massive steps fwd for sugar this year
looks more at ease and likely to back himself instead of being scared of making mistakes
Problem he has is he made a BIG mistake with Mick now the boss
Mick has in the past stamped somebody's papers for such a thing
Hope it is not the mistake that does his future
And NO there were plenty of reasons why we let them in the game and then lost it
Missing a goal is one thing. Allowing them to win it so often and respond so often to get back in the game was not due to a sugar miss

 

[JustaBattler]

Every player makes mistakes even in fron tof goal - Yarran, Garlett McLean have all missed goals from pretty much in front on teh run and apparently in space. Otehrs miss from 30 meters out with a set shot. All this stuff can be forgiven - because truth is a goal missed being given as cause of loss is 'Harry Hindsight"...Jeffy shopudl have just stopped when he marked the ball in the square - same as Kreuzer should have a couple of weeks ago...sillies happen

HOWEVER - Lucas HAS to learn to tackle - there is NO EXCUSE for not being an effective tackle in my books. Sadly he isn't alone with custard arms ....If Lucas fixes this he gets to accumulate chips and be let off for the occasional miss at goal which is part fo the game - if he doesn't then the lack of respect will build.

Carlton has bigger problems than Lucas - but that is another story.

 

[Dramoth]

The old irrelevant Armfield reference. Well played.

Sugar's decision making might well improve. Hopefully his disposal, toughness and tackling are ironed out along with it. Far too many deficiencies at the moment.

Well considering that RK hates Armfield with a passion and wants to see him delisted, for him to come out and say that Army has improved with development and games is a deadset complement.

But getting back to the topic at hand. The only reason I can honestly see Kane getting dropped to the seconds would be to work on his tackling at a lower level against the second stringers. His decision making will improve with game time. He has had, as RK pointed out, 27 games in 4 years after a very bright first season. He needs the games at the highest level to work on his decision making at that level. If we dropped him to the VFL to work on that, he would be a level above the guys he is playing with.

 

[Dramoth]

Lucas should be entering the 50 - 100 game bracket; there is a reason he isn't. This is his 4th year on the list.

Yes... yes there is a really good reason why he isnt entering the 50-100 game bracket now... it's because he spent roughly 2 years injured after suffering a bad hamstring tear in his first season... and then doing it again later on in the year. It wasnt because he doesnt have the talent to make it... he was poorly managed on the injury recovery front.

 

[Silvagnis]

Yet after leading by 14 points at 3 quarter time & kicking the 1st goal of the last quarter to lead by 20 points, it all boils down to one missed shot for goal midway through the 3rd quarter. Gee, I couldn't even imagine Jack Dyer making such a ridiculous call on World of Sport. Suffice to say the quality of media commentators covering the game nowadays is well below that of yesteryear.

Want to know why Henderson chipped a nine iron to Mclean v Heppell and Melksham was allowed to run on to kick a goal. All because Kane had missed right before that. Sakc Lucas.

 

[raymagoo]

Kane Lucas.

I hate giving one of our players a Roast, but frustration levels have reached boiling point with "Sugar".

I don't get what he brings to the table besides from being a good runner with above average pace?

He is soft and never goes in to win the hard ball. He rarely shepherds, preferring to run on to receive the handball. In one-on-one contests he often goes in half-hearted although he did take one contested mark last night. He gets 90% of his possessions as a cheap outlet running round the outside of packs. This would be acceptable if he was a traditional outside player.

However, Lucas' disposal is below average. He can accurately hit his man with a 15-25m short kick, but other than that he's a spray gun. To play as outside as he does, he needs to have Dal Santo or Shannon Hurn-like disposal.

Instead, we have a player who doesn't put his body on the line, repeatedly shanks the ball and accumulates 20+ useless possessions each week.

Thoughts? I really can't see why he's getting game.

Totally agree! Would prefer others in the team. Not enough tricks.