Kane Lucas

[BlueDW]

Interesting. Why not?

Foley is our 4th best mid behind lids, martin and cotchin (lets just pretend lids is a mid). If he were at carlton he would be your 4th best too (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs)... probably on par with Simpson.

He has outstanding leadership qualities, represented Victoria, played against Ireland in the international rules... plus in this shallow draft your pick 22 doesnt have its usual value.

I have no doubt Lucas will be a solid player... but i wouldnt trade a proven player for him and an unknown.[/QUOTE]

Surely youre not serious???

 

[westbrom]

Never really rated him, got a lot of hype in his draft year for a couple of high possession games but butchered most of his disposals, he's a soft outside type, and lacks footy smarts and his footskills are a bit iffy, i'd stay away from him.

73.5% disposal efficiency last year and 85.7 efficiency this year.
Do you watch games?
Hopefully he stays, he will end up in our best team within the next year or two. A young KPP is not going to have as much trouble breaking into the Carlton team as a young midfielder because of the depth of talent Carlton has in the middle compared to the KP roles, but he will make it.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

How's that exactly?
Coniglio isn't a proven quality player yet, but you'd likely lose your load over him.
Lucas was largely rated a 6-8 in a solid draft year, but injuries have hurt him in the last year and a half.

So a first rounder and Lucas for your fourth rated mid in Foley?
Don't think so

No, he was rated at exactly 12 in a solid draft year.

 

[Jade]

Going back to the OP, I'd be willing to part with one of our key talls to get a deal done.

Hurley, Ryder and Craemri would be off the table, and Pears would require significant compensation (more than Lucas himself).

Hooker, Hille, Myers, Gumbleton, perhaps Bellchambers - you could have a discussion relating to one of those.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Going back to the OP, I'd be willing to part with one of our key talls to get a deal done.

Hurley, Ryder and Craemri would be off the table, and Pears would require significant compensation (more than Lucas himself).

Hooker, Hille, Myers, Gumbleton, perhaps Bellchambers - you could have a discussion relating to one of those.

I wouldn't be selling the farm to get another mid who can't kick.

 

[krusher]

Going back to the OP, I'd be willing to part with one of our key talls to get a deal done.

Hurley, Ryder and Craemri would be off the table, and Pears would require significant compensation (more than Lucas himself).

Hooker, Hille, Myers, Gumbleton, perhaps Bellchambers - you could have a discussion relating to one of those.

why would we want hille or bellchambers with our ruck stocks ?

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

To the Carlton supporters underrating Foley, keep in mind we have persisted with him through his injuries and he is finally getting games now, we know how good he can be when he is 100% and next season we will get to see it come to fruition.

Do you honestly think we'll do a straight swap for an unproven, injury-riddled youngster? We are not that rabble anymore, we are a club that is pulling it's weight during trade week and getting the job done.

Kane Lucas and Richmond may not be a great fit, but best we could do would be a straight swap for another player, (not for Foley) our picks are untouchable.

 

[Jade]

why would we want hille or bellchambers with our ruck stocks ?

Didn't say you would; was answering the OP in terms of what would you be willing to give up for him.

 

[ize_]

Absolutely no way...

 

[Monkey King]

Not sure what all the angst for Lucas is about. The guy moves well and has nice pace, neat disposal most of the time, seems to have a decent footy brain and reads the game pretty well, has good height and is a very good overhead mark, leading the Blues for intercepting opposition marks before injury last year. Didn't break balls in his first year, but showed some really nice signs that he's more than up to and has pretty much been battling a couple of injuries since then, now recovered.

 

[BlueDW]

I wouldn't be selling the farm to get another mid who can't kick.

Is Gumbleton still considered "the farm"? My guess is he is not worth a 3rd round pick anymore, not his faut mind you, but the poor bugga is made of glass!

 

[HARKER]

Actually I got nothing but pleasure out of watching Campo, murphy and Allan spud it up at the Bombers.

That may have well been the case, but Lucas is only 20 and his lope reminds me a little of Campo.
Has as much chance as Scully to get to 200 games with only injury really holding either player back.

 

[Doro]

That may have well been the case, but Lucas is only 20 and his lope reminds me a little of Campo.
Has as much chance as Scully to get to 200 games with only injury really holding either player back.

Yeah agreed man, hope he stays, think he adds a lot to our side.

 

[Silvagnis]

And any team with Marcus Davies in it isn't living up to it.

If that's your view on Davies and Lucas in your earlier post, then you really know our players.

Davies gave away one bad free, but I'd take a player who show that he gives a shit ahead of Essendon's limp biscuits who were smashed by Carlton. Hurley wore a moon boot to the Brownlow, yet he put in a gutsier performance than Ryder who is supposed to be a star.

Kane Lucas and Richmond may not be a great fit, but best we could do would be a straight swap for another player, (not for Foley) our picks are untouchable.

If Emma Quayle's view that Gunston is worth pick 15 is correct, then why would pick 14 get you a better player than Lucas?

Lucas has shown more than the injury riddled Griffiths who you mentioned in your thread on the mainboard.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

If that's your view on Davies and Lucas in your earlier post, then you really know our players.

Davies gave away one bad free, but I'd take a player who show that he gives a shit ahead of Essendon's limp biscuits who were smashed by Carlton. Hurley wore a moon boot to the Brownlow, yet he put in a gutsier performance than Ryder who is supposed to be a star.

Yeah good call. Heppell and Hurley for Davies?

Jog on champ.

 

[Sin City]

I wouldn't be selling the farm to get another mid who can't kick.

And any team with Marcus Davies in it isn't living up to it.

Ben, stop talking crap. Lucas is a skilful player and his running and delivery would be an asset to any team. Davies is a very tough young player who has forced his way into the team for two finals series in his first two years. No need for this rubbish.

 

[Blues_Man]

I wouldn't be selling the farm to get another mid who can't kick.

No ..because you are inundated with them

 

[Keystone agony]

The way i see it after 2 years from Lucas is that he has certainly gone backwards from being rate pick 6-8 (picked at 12). In a non compromised draft he would now be worth ~pick 25 IMO.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Ben, stop talking crap. Lucas is a skilful player and his running and delivery would be an asset to any team. Davies is a very tough young player who has forced his way into the team for two finals series in his first two years. No need for this rubbish.

Lucas strikes me as an accumulator rather than silk. Nothing wrong with that, but just not what we need. I'm not saying he's a bad kick or anything, but as I said before, he's not so good that he's worth selling the farm for. Would I take him? Absolutely. Would I offer something that Carlton would accept? Unlikely. If I were after a Carlton mid (the elite Judd and Murphy aside), Kade Simpson would be the one. Very outside, but a deadly left foot, and capable of putting it down a forward's throat.

To use a more extreme example, Tom Bellchambers is a good prospect, and you'd certainly take him at Carlton, but you wouldn't pay what Essendon would be after simply because you don't need a ruckman. While we certainly need a midfielder, we don't need an accumulator. We need a finisher.

As for Davies, I wish there was a function where reasonable posters like yourself could read a serious conversation, and trolls like TheGeneral could read something different.

 

[jonoman89]

Hooker, Hille, Myers, Gumbleton, perhaps Bellchambers - you could have a discussion relating to one of those.

I rate Hooker. But it'd require more than a straight swap. Probably a pick upgrade as well.

I'd certainly rather Hooker than Daniel bloody Connors

We have no need for Hille, Bellchambers or Myers. Probably not Gumby either considering he can never get on the park.

 

[HARKER]

The way i see it after 2 years from Lucas is that he has certainly gone backwards from being rate pick 6-8 (picked at 12). In a non compromised draft he would now be worth ~pick 25 IMO.

Fair enough from where you sit.
Lucas's injury woes, commencing from late last year were a lot worse than I was aware of, until recently.
Anyway, not here to prop up Lucas but he's not the player I would be willing to trade out, on the strength of his 2011 year.
He's much better than that.

 

[jonoman89]

Early in the year Lucas looked completely lost. He had no confidence in his body.

Amazing turn around in the 2nd half of the season. Was killing it in the VFL and performed very well at senior level.

If he keeps fit he could be a deadly weapon on the wing.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Fair enough from where you sit.
Lucas's injury woes, commencing from late last year were a lot worse than I was aware of, until recently.
Anyway, not here to prop up Lucas but he's not the player I would be willing to trade out, on the strength of his 2011 year.
He's much better than that.

That's the point that's being missed - the reason he's not playing as many games as Melksham, Gysberts, Bastinac, Fyfe, Pittard etc. from around him in the draft is injuries, not lack of opportunity.

This is a classic BF rumour: 2nd year player not playing --> must be disgruntled --> trade!!!1one1!

 

[Sin City]

Lucas strikes me as an accumulator rather than silk. Nothing wrong with that, but just not what we need. I'm not saying he's a bad kick or anything, but as I said before, he's not so good that he's worth selling the farm for. Would I take him? Absolutely. Would I offer something that Carlton would accept? Unlikely. If I were after a Carlton mid (the elite Judd and Murphy aside), Kade Simpson would be the one. Very outside, but a deadly left foot, and capable of putting it down a forward's throat.

To use a more extreme example, Tom Bellchambers is a good prospect, and you'd certainly take him at Carlton, but you wouldn't pay what Essendon would be after simply because you don't need a ruckman. While we certainly need a midfielder, we don't need an accumulator. We need a finisher.

I think you need to actually watch him play then. Watch his goal assists in his last game this season and his accurate long passes into the forward line. Obviously Simpson is a much better player, but Lucas is a fair bit better kick. Lucas is exactly the sort of midfielder Essendon needs.

Apart from a nervous first half in his debut I challenge you to find any examples of him at AFL level displaying anything less than above average disposal.

 

[HARKER]

That's the point that's being missed - the reason he's not playing as many games as Melksham, Gysberts, Bastinac, Fyfe, Pittard etc. from around him in the draft is injuries, not lack of opportunity.

This is a classic BF rumour: 2nd year player not playing --> must be disgruntled --> trade!!!1one1!

Watching him in 2010, I thought we may have a young Jimmy Bartel on our hands.
Come 2011, I thought I was watching Ronald McDonald playing in the VFL.
The contrast in player was bewildering and it wasn't just the legacy of the hamstring but also a knee issue he was trying to deal with.

Saw him playing an absolute howler of a game and I was sure he was in tears as a runner came out to console him.
Nothing that another second year player in Shuey, wouldn't know about.