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I don't think we'll be heading down the White path, but who knows.
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Not personally a fan legend166
I don't think we'll be heading down the White path, but who knows.
i dont think carlton would do that trade. ideally i see lucas replaceing scotland and simpson in years to come on the wing with his similar style. We need a big body more than an inside mid. i think with another preseason robbo could fill that role, along with the improvements of ellard, curnow, armfield and maybe touhy.
Would rather keep lucas than trade him for stevens in a direct swap. i think stevens may ask for a trade considering he cant break into it. so maybe the pick we get for bower most likly 2nd round could do it?
Would rather keep lucas than trade him for stevens in a direct swap. i think stevens may ask for a trade considering he cant break into it. so maybe the pick we get for bower most likly 2nd round could do it?
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For you guys he would - but not for us
We are short on KPD's and Brown is our man when Glass retires or there is any injury. He signed a 2013 extension - and is a big part of our team going forward
Lucas and Stevens are in similar situations, in that they are probably just outside their teams best 22 - due to a fair bit of talent in their chosen position.
Talent wise it looks a pretty fair swap to me.
So you think a pick in the mid 30's would be fair for Stevens?
How about we give a 2nd rounder for Lucas - that still fair?
Dunno.....has Koby improved his kicking and decision making?
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Has Lucas improved his durability?
I very much doubt that Carlton would go for that trade (Lucas for Koby). Simply put, Carlton had the chance to recruit Koby or Lucas in 2009 and decided to go with Lucas. He has shown enough signs to suggest he will be a damn good player, and Steven's hasn't shown enough to suggest he would be better.
IF Lucas is determined to leave for WA then it might be an option, but Carlton won't do the trade for the sake of trading. As mentioned above, Lucas has had a down year due to injuries, and a need to change his running style which changes the way he plays, but he would be bookmarked as a ready made replacement for Scotland in a year or two (and no, I am not saying he wont play AFL football until Scotland retires, but once he does a permanent spot in the 22 will open up for him)
IF Lucas is determined to leave for WA then it might be an option, but Carlton won't do the trade for the sake of trading. As mentioned above, Lucas has had a down year due to injuries, and a need to change his running style which changes the way he plays, but he would be bookmarked as a ready made replacement for Scotland in a year or two (and no, I am not saying he wont play AFL football until Scotland retires, but once he does a permanent spot in the 22 will open up for him)
Has Koby improved his durability!!!!
Agree don't see Lucas being traded for Stevens, Lucas had a very positive first up season and unless a very good deal is on the table, certain that the Blues will be keen to hold him and would see him as a regular next year.
I would suspect there is more chance of Bower going to one of the WA clubs, possible that Stevens may be involved in this, really depends on how the Blues rate him, as Stevens looks like he may find it difficult to find a spot at West Coast.
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Draft position is irrelevant - that's like saying we wouldn't trade Brad Sheppard for Nathan Fyfe because we had the opportunity to draft him
In terms of what they have shown - both delivered something very similar in 2010 - certainly respective of the roles they play.
Lucas a few more touches reflecting the outside running, Stevens more tackles reflecting the inside grunt.
This year Lucas has been rocked with injuries, Stevens has been starring at WAFL level but struggled to break into a top 4 team.
If you think Lucas has shown more - good luck to you.
I agree the deal is unlikely to be done - and your focus maybe a key tall or retaining the run for when Simpsons, Scotland et al retire - but the talent is roughly equivalent.
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Well he played 21 games of football this year - how about Lucas?
And seriously Bower for Stevens?
Would you accept Brett Jones for Lucas?
wow, what a surprise the Carlton supporters have taken it personally. That's my opinion. Lucas has shown jack shit. He shows no trait that is outstanding. Not everyone turns out to be a star, just the facts.
As for comparing him to Melksham, please... Melksham has shown an infinite amount more than Lucas.
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Comparing Brett Jones to Bower has made it difficult to give your opinions much credibility
You are making out Stevens is a gun player, Bower like Stevens is a pick 20-25 in their draft years, Bower has proven he is a good player, if he can get his body sound he has much to offer at Carlton or any other club for the next five years, Stevens has yet to prove much at all at senior level .
Lucas was showing quite a lot in his first year before his injury and if my memory serves me well, quite a bit more than Melksham, until his injury.
Lucas's first half of this year was terrible even at VFL level, but he slowly got back to the form he showed the year prior.
His injury has basically knocked his movement out of whack.
Let's judge him on a full, injury free season, to be fair.
Quality player.
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What an ignorant comment. He had massive hamstring issues through the second half of 2010, and pretty much had no preseason under his belt. Then copped a couple of injuries with the Bullants, and this pretty much wrecked his 2011 season.
I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's better than that description.
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Comparing Brett Jones to Bower has made it difficult to give your opinions much credibility
Agreed - one is a proven premiership defender, the other is nearly 24 and has struggled to show he is any more than an undersized battler.
I have no issues with giving him time. He may turn into a serviceable player, but I don't see star in him.
I could be wrong though.
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Bower is Bret Thornton Mk II - good ordinary player, undersized for the role he tries to pla - nothing more.
As opposed to Lucas? They've shown the same amount - in different roles. Stevens has also shown he can play a season of football.
And given that draft position is so crucial - let's trade Brad Sheppard for Chris Yarran - they both went roughly pick 6/7 in their draft years - that's even right?
I'm happy to put star value on one of our players with an early call, yet I can't do it with Lucas, just yet.
I could be wrong though.
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Just slow down and think.......you proposed an analagous trade, for a washed up WAFL player !!!!
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As opposed to a low grade undersized battler who has shown nought more than mediocre over 6 years.
The point was to highlight how ridiculous the first trade was by providing an equally ridiculous alternative
Bower clears his injury concerns: You're wrong.
Bower's issues continue: You're right.
Which you clearly failed. This pissing contest is terrible....the old adage, don't argue...........
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Clearly...
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Disagree - he's a decent enough defensive 3rd tall - but he's not ever going to hold down key position.
He's in between sizes and athleticism to really be strategic as a key defender or the creative rebounding 3rd tall IMO.