Kane Tenace

[Cattery]

I dont agree with hard men risking being suspended just to throw a guy off who isnt adding some sort of value to a side...just too costly in todays footy to do that.

But wouldn't you agree there's any number of players in our side [ most of the team actually ] that would be targets before Tenace if it was a simple case of throwing a guy off his game because of his value?

Simply coincidence that it was him in my book, but if it was a plan the fact that they thought he could be intimidated would seem the most logical reason for it.

 

[turtlemanistic]

You made it a personal attack...was it directed at anyone in particular?...if you felt it was relevant to yourself thats your problem. Personal attacks are directed at someone's 'person'...mine was a general remark to any poster who doesnt read a game of footy with a bit of footy nous. I didnt quote anyone stop making yourself into a victim...if you are too sensitive to it all too bad. This is a footy site..do you want me to elaborate about what footy is about as a game too?

What you said about Tenace is just generic...I dont want to abuse you because you will try make out its personal and below the belt. You havent made one decent point about what Tenace brings to the team...everyone keeps going...speed, he can run, what else?

How about you just look where he gets the footy. Why other sides are so hell bent on trying to stop him doing it...and have a bit of a think joining the dots.

He does need to improve his kicking, decision making and one on one's in marking contests but alot of that comes if you have the rudiments there and just get some regular footy training and match time.

I was just quoting you so people could understand where I was coming from, but meh, back to the topic.

Kane Tenace has been an AFL footballer for 3.5 years and has played 53 games. Now if he was either a key position player or a ruckman, where time is needed to develop into a good player, once again it wouldn't be as big an issue. But after he has been in the system for so long yet still needs improving in what could be argued as the key skills for an AFL footballer, that is simply not good enough. He has HAD regular match time and training, yet he still can't kick!

 

[BigBadCam]

we should give him a spot in our grand final winning side. like the eagles players last year, his reputation as a player will get a massive boost. we would then be able to get something decent for him in a trade.

 

[catempire]

A question for the Tenace critics:

Why does is he continually selected in the senior 22?

 

[turtlemanistic]

A question for the Tenace critics:

Why does is he continually selected in the senior 22?

Because ideally he'd provide something different. Ideally he'd have pace to burn and skills to use that are different from our regular midfielders - he just doesn't seem to use them (if he has them) - and if he hasn't used them after 53 games, why would he start now?

 

[catempire]

Because ideally he'd provide something different. Ideally he'd have pace to burn and skills to use that are different from our regular midfielders - he just doesn't seem to use them (if he has them) - and if he hasn't used them after 53 games, why would he start now?

If that's the case, it seems a bit strange that he keeps getting picked though, don't you think?

 

[turtlemanistic]

If that's the case, it seems a bit strange that he keeps getting picked though, don't you think?

Well, yes. Hence the debate. If he wasn't in the team this thread wouldn't be in existence...

 

[And_ROOS]

I just dont think Tenace has held his spot as of late and DJ or Hunt will be brought in to take Davis, just my opinion though.

And for the record im a mark for Hunt and the string!

 

[catempire]

Well, yes. Hence the debate. If he wasn't in the team this thread wouldn't be in existence...

I think you've missed the point.

Perhaps the critics are missing something if he keeps getting picked despite all of these flaws he supposedly has.

 

[crosby123]

I think you've missed the point.

Perhaps the critics are missing something if he keeps getting picked despite all of these flaws he supposedly has.

He was passable up to last match, and his form in the 2s seemed to indicate he was good enough to step up. I've modified my opinion slightly from "Drop!", having recognised that he probably wasn't used all too well by Bomber. Even so, he had an awful day, and in a team as good as ours is currently, a single awful day can get you dropped (just ask Prismall).

 

[Cattery]

A question for the Tenace critics:

Why does is he continually selected in the senior 22?

Wouldn't call myself a "Tenace critic" so to speak but I'll have a bash at your question.
To start with he's not "continually" selected, if memory serves he's been dropped at least twice this year, the last time just a few weeks back and if not for the injury to Rooke would most likely not have played this week either, so he's not what you'd call a regular.

Really just one of a number of players battling for the last one or two spots in the team and at this stage seems to be preferred ahead of the likes of Hunt, Byrnes, Prismall etc.etc. for whatever reason.

Let me ask you then, do you believe he's in our best twenty two and if so exactly what attributes does he bring to the table that make him so?

Even WE Are Geelong, who seems to be going in to bat for him says that his "kicking, decision making and one on one's in marking contests" are not really up to scratch, which is hardly a glowing recommendation given that those are pretty fundamental aspects of any players make up.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Wouldn't call myself a "Tenace critic" so to speak but I'll have a bash at your question.
To start with he's not "continually" selected, if memory serves he's been dropped at least twice this year, the last time just a few weeks back and if not for the injury to Rooke would most likely not have played this week either, so he's not what you'd call a regular.

Really just one of a number of players battling for the last one or two spots in the team and at this stage seems to be preferred ahead of the likes of Hunt, Byrnes, Prismall etc.etc. for whatever reason.

Let me ask you then, do you believe he's in our best twenty two and if so exactly what attributes does he bring to the table that make him so?

Even WE Are Geelong, who seems to be going in to bat for him says that his "kicking, decision making and one on one's in marking contests" are not really up to scratch, which is hardly a glowing recommendation given that those are pretty fundamental aspects of any players make up.

I went to a scratch match early on in the pre season and Tenace was running around in the ones and ripping it up. Towards the end of the first part of that match (not sure what the quarter break up was)...he did an ankle I think. Went into rehab and this effected his ability to be available for the start of the season proper.

The fact Tenace was playing in the ones side so early and looking really good at the time... made me sit back and wonder what his role would be for the rest of the season...so I have been watching with keen interest ever since.

Tenace similar to SJ came back into the side at the beginning of our string of victories. Was dropped due to an embarrassment of riches for a guy who you couldnt keep out in Rooke and subsequently was re selected at the first opportunity.

My point to all this is that Tenace early on in the pre season was ear marked for regular senior selection. Once properly fit bar one match that has been the case. The other guys you mentioned havent played seniors for quite some time now. Geelong is a very strong list currently with most guys fit...this type of thing happens at West Coast all the time. Its our turn to get used to it too.

I didnt ever say he wasnt up to scratch...I said he had the potential to execute all these facets of his game properly but for a number of reasons wasnt doing that presently...hence he needed to work on it. My point with regards to this is other posters trying to suggest he cant play...I suggest there is a difference between potential and the lack of it. Tenace has the potential.

This part's always going to be an opinion but guys risking weeks at the tribunal to put a guy off who is just battling to make the 22 every week doesnt sound right to me...Tenace got lined up more than once on Friday night again and I could see that this time just watching on TV. At the game I see him get stitched up quite regularly and guys doing risky things well off the ball sometimes to accomplish this strange obsession? Come on ask yourself why and take the blinkers off.

I private messaged a basic overview of what I think Tenace brings to the Geelong side to someone on this board who knows what they are on about...he agreed with me. That's enough for me. My reason for doing this is because some guys on here are really great at saying what someone CANT do...what they really struggle with is what someone CAN do...that takes more footy nous to work that out and that's why we see far more bagging on here than actual football commentary that really means something.

I guess I am sick of the 'CANT' factory on here who churn out miles of generic posts for all to read...do your own research maybe and start trying some more insightful posting. It would make for a nice change.

 

[catempire]

Wouldn't call myself a "Tenace critic" so to speak but I'll have a bash at your question.
To start with he's not "continually" selected, if memory serves he's been dropped at least twice this year, the last time just a few weeks back and if not for the injury to Rooke would most likely not have played this week either, so he's not what you'd call a regular.

No not a regular, but despite being dropped twice, he has reappeared twice. What does the club see in him that the critics don't?

Really just one of a number of players battling for the last one or two spots in the team and at this stage seems to be preferred ahead of the likes of Hunt, Byrnes, Prismall etc.etc. for whatever reason.

Let me ask you then, do you believe he's in our best twenty two and if so exactly what attributes does he bring to the table that make him so?

Even WE Are Geelong, who seems to be going in to bat for him says that his "kicking, decision making and one on one's in marking contests" are not really up to scratch, which is hardly a glowing recommendation given that those are pretty fundamental aspects of any players make up.

I think your first paragraph here sums it up. He's not clearly in our best 22 but he is clearly in the mix for the 22nd spot (as evidenced by his continual selection when a spot in the team avails itself).

He had 92% effeciency with his disposal at the weekend. He didn't get a lot of it (12 possessions) but only had about 60% game time. He got flogged when he was played out of position and he made one terrible mistake that cost us a goal. He was credited with 2 scoring assists including one great 50m pass to Mooney on the chest. All up, no where near as bad as people are making out, particularly in relation to the criticism leveled at his disposal.

What he brings to the table at the moment is the potential to fill a role which could be valuable to the side. It is the potential to play a McLeod/Johncock/Gilbee type role creating run off half back and setting up play. He has shown glimpses of that type of play but at times his disposal has let him down and as such, he has not reached that potential.

As always with these things, I just think any assessment should balance the good and the bad. The way people carry on would have you thinking he's the worst player to every play the game when in fact, the people in the know - the club - obviously see something in him because they keep giving him chances.

 

[DanA]

Ok I just read the first 2 pages on this thread I now see where your comming from We are Geelong & Cat Empire. That was rediculous.
I simply think he needs to go back and improve in a few areas.

At the start of the year I thought Geelong should try him as a backpocket and I was a big advocate of giving him an extended run in the seniors to learn his craft. I would hope that Hunt was sent to the reserves to improve his aerobic capacity and gut running. Those are his weaknesses and it would be good to see if he could come back with an improved work rate.

Johncock, Mcloud & Gilbee are three of the best kicks in the game and were always good users of the football. I see what you are saying though. Want him to get a lot of rebound 50 & inside 50's carrying the ball. Gram is probably a better example of what Tenace is trying to become.

I think Josh Hunt should be given a chance but that is not saying that Tenace is a dud as a lot of people are suggesting.

 

[Partridge]

I went to a scratch match early on in the pre season and Tenace was running around in the ones and ripping it up. Towards the end of the first part of that match (not sure what the quarter break up was)...he did an ankle I think. Went into rehab and this effected his ability to be available for the start of the season proper.

I didnt ever say he wasnt up to scratch...I said he had the potential to execute all these facets of his game properly but for a number of reasons wasnt doing that presently...hence he needed to work on it. My point with regards to this is other posters trying to suggest he cant play...I suggest there is a difference between potential and the lack of it. Tenace has the potential.

Exactly. I was at the same practise match against Melbourne and he looked at times so classy. One reason why I've defended him more than some. I guess in expectation.

To be honest I think the problem is entirely mental. He has the ability, it's either confidence, self-belief or whatever. To be fair he's not a defender and should never have been matched up on Welsh. His second half was much better. Interestingly for once his kicking was pretty good. Just some basic errors earlier.

 

[turtlemanistic]

OK, I'm finding it difficult to restrain myself from directly countering 'We Are Geelong's arguments, but I'll give it a try

First off, I'll admit that I thought Tenace had been a bit longer around the club than he has been - I was thinking 5 or 6 years, but it's only 3.5 - consequently, I'm up for letting him go on for another 18 months.

However there are reasons behind my posts regarding Tenace. Primarily is that we drafted Kane for speed - and I would be happy if he turned out to be a lesser version of Wojac - but at the moment he just seems to be one of the myriad of players that we have around packs, except that his disposal isn't nearly as good as the rest of them.

Also, I don't know how he actually fits into the team - whether Bomber is trying to turn him into something he's not, or if he actually has a 'favoured' position - I just can't see what his role is and how he's best implemented, whereas a player like Prismall - you know where he's going to go, what he's going to do, and you can rely on him being consistent - I just don't find that with Tenace.

Finally, with regards to 'WAG's opinion of Tenace being targeted - Sorry, but I have to disagree with you - I don't think that there's any reason for Tenace to be targeted, and Fletcher's strike on him can be explained by the culprit being Fletcher - also, he did break Davey's arm...

Anywho, just a final bit, WAG, you talk about there being too many "cannot's" rather than "can's", well can you please post your thought's on Tenace then rather than just 'a private message to someone on the board who knows what they're talking about'

 

[WE Are Geelong]

OK, I'm finding it difficult to restrain myself from directly countering 'We Are Geelong's arguments, but I'll give it a try

First off, I'll admit that I thought Tenace had been a bit longer around the club than he has been - I was thinking 5 or 6 years, but it's only 3.5 - consequently, I'm up for letting him go on for another 18 months.

However there are reasons behind my posts regarding Tenace. Primarily is that we drafted Kane for speed - and I would be happy if he turned out to be a lesser version of Wojac - but at the moment he just seems to be one of the myriad of players that we have around packs, except that his disposal isn't nearly as good as the rest of them.

Also, I don't know how he actually fits into the team - whether Bomber is trying to turn him into something he's not, or if he actually has a 'favoured' position - I just can't see what his role is and how he's best implemented, whereas a player like Prismall - you know where he's going to go, what he's going to do, and you can rely on him being consistent - I just don't find that with Tenace.

Finally, with regards to 'WAG's opinion of Tenace being targeted - Sorry, but I have to disagree with you - I don't think that there's any reason for Tenace to be targeted, and Fletcher's strike on him can be explained by the culprit being Fletcher - also, he did break Davey's arm...

Anywho, just a final bit, WAG, you talk about there being too many "cannot's" rather than "can's", well can you please post your thought's on Tenace then rather than just 'a private message to someone on the board who knows what they're talking about'

No is the short answer... for one...Catempire seems to have beaten me to introducing the discussion...and second you and I disagree so dramatically on the subject it would take me far more time than I have right now to go all the way right through it with you.

Just for a hint...what does having Bartel and Tenace around a stoppage got to do with each other? You say Tenace is just another myriad of player around packs?...I am lead to believe from your commentary not much difference...I can assure you they are there for very different purposes...they might even line up in different positions around a stoppage too...ever considered that? It might even depend where the ball is being bounced also. If they all just look like ball ups to you perhaps this is the problem?

Maybe I dont need to say anymore..that sums it up.

 

[turtlemanistic]

No is the short answer... for one...Catempire seems to have beaten me to introducing the discussion...and second you and I disagree so dramatically on the subject it would take me far more time than I have right now to go all the way right through it with you.

Just for a hint...what does having Bartel and Tenace around a stoppage got to do with each other? You say Tenace is just another myriad of player around packs?...I am lead to believe from your commentary not much difference...I can assure you they are there for very different purposes...they might even line up in different positions around a stoppage too...ever considered that? It might even depend where the ball is being bounced also. If they all just look like ball ups to you perhaps this is the problem?

Maybe I dont need to say anymore..that sums it up.

Sorry but not once have you justified your opinion through 'footy terms' other than you saw him in the 1's pre-season and he looked pretty good.
So no, when I see Bartel and Tenace at a stoppage I think Bartel's going to get the ball and either clear it himself or dish it off to someone like Gablett or someone with decent disposal skills. Just give a decent REASON why Tenace should be in the first 22, not 'I thought he looked good'

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Sorry but not once have you justified your opinion through 'footy terms' other than you saw him in the 1's pre-season and he looked pretty good.
So no, when I see Bartel and Tenace at a stoppage I think Bartel's going to get the ball and either clear it himself or dish it off to someone like Gablett or someone with decent disposal skills. Just give a decent REASON why Tenace should be in the first 22, not 'I thought he looked good'

I havent got time to answer the question mate right now I just said that...and I wouldnt know where to start to be honest. We are poles apart on the subject. As a simple way to look at it...whatever you're thinking at the moment regarding Tenace just consider that I think the opposite and you write the post for me...how about that?

I never made the comment that Tenace looking good was the reason he is in the side right now...its about balance, variety and a specific purpose based on his unique skills set...maybe you should just start thinking for yourself and stop trying to get me to do it for you?

I gave you some dialogue about stoppages in the previous post and you completely ignored it...maybe start reading the posts and you might glean a little more from the discussion.

 

[turtlemanistic]

I havent got time to answer the question mate right now I just said that...and I wouldnt know where to start to be honest. We are poles apart on the subject. As a simple way to look at it...whatever you're thinking at the moment regarding Tenace just consider that I think the opposite and you write the post for me...how about that?

I never made the comment that Tenace looking good was the reason he is in the side right now...its about balance, variety and a specific purpose based on his unique skills set...maybe you should just start thinking for yourself and stop trying to get me to do it for you?

I gave you some dialogue about stoppages in the previous post and you completely ignored it...maybe start reading the posts and you might glean a little more from the discussion.

you mean the bit about players lining up in different positions around a pack - well woopdeedooda, different players have different roles. Humour me. Assume that I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about and give a reason for his existence in the team. I don't need a diatribe, or a 2000 word essay on why he's there, just anything. You can even make it condescending (as opposed to the previous posts).
I've put out my arguments/reasons - you give me yours. Fairs fair. This thread'll be around for a while to come I'd imagine, so you can even put a bit of thought into it.

 

[CatFan79]

I havent got time to answer the question mate right now I just said that...and I wouldnt know where to start to be honest. We are poles apart on the subject. As a simple way to look at it...whatever you're thinking at the moment regarding Tenace just consider that I think the opposite and you write the post for me...how about that?

I never made the comment that Tenace looking good was the reason he is in the side right now...its about balance, variety and a specific purpose based on his unique skills set...maybe you should just start thinking for yourself and stop trying to get me to do it for you?

I gave you some dialogue about stoppages in the previous post and you completely ignored it...maybe start reading the posts and you might glean a little more from the discussion.

The amount of cr@p you've just written, you could have answered the question quite easily.. You are making it quite obvious that you cannot justify your opinion. If I had your view I'd find it pretty hard too, Tenace is a dud.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

you mean the bit about players lining up in different positions around a pack - well woopdeedooda, different players have different roles. Humour me. Assume that I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about and give a reason for his existence in the team. I don't need a diatribe, or a 2000 word essay on why he's there, just anything. You can even make it condescending (as opposed to the previous posts).
I've put out my arguments/reasons - you give me yours. Fairs fair. This thread'll be around for a while to come I'd imagine, so you can even put a bit of thought into it.

Mate you are becoming an idiot. One minute its just a myriad of players around a pack...now if I suggest hey they stand in different positions and it varies regarding where the ball up is on the ground you're like...I knew that..I knew that..Just for the record I am not buying that ok. Not condescending...thats just whats been written...let other people read back and decide.

Point form...as I said dont have time.

* We are very strong with our inside mids at the moment..picking an inside mid like Prismall to play an outside role like Tenace is why we have improved this year...we dont do it anymore.

*Brereton touched on it in his article...pick players in positions that are attributed to their playing strengths and dont just pick a side that looks good on paper. ie ...Recall the last time we played the pies..Thompson suggested it was the best side picked all year yet we got creamed..why?..because it wasnt picked for the opposition or the ground we played at so we got rolled over.

*Prismall is a great young player...but Tenace pure and simple will get to far more loose football because he is quicker...and thats what we need him for. Think of sides busting a gut to break out of a stoppage...the ball spills free 20-30 metres up the ground and Tenace runs on to it... counter acting any hope of a 50/50 and the ball is heading up the other end of the ground before the opposition has time to turn around.

*Often you will see the centre clearance land near the centre half forward post..often its cleared players heads or its changed direction and players are heading towards it...Tenace on a 10 metre burst in a straight line is as fast a player as anyone in the league and if he is near it he will get it...this is what we need him for.

*The only stats that matter to me are ones that relate to scoring or stopping the opposition scoring...Tenace can relieve what would have been a 50/50 or forward thrust for them and turns it into attack quickly for us. Its a great advantage when we are already doing so well at stoppages and running through the middle of the ground this year. It creates an unnerving amount of pressure on the opposition defensively to have this extra and different aspect to our play. Sides are trying to cover Wojo also...Tenace makes thats harder. These two guys only need the ball 10-15 times a game to cause real trouble for the opposition. Even if the disposal is not so great the ball rebounds very quickly going the other way and thats dangerous.

*As mentioned...sides like the Crows and Sydney and West Coast have utilised this with super fast running half backs in the past. Tenace has not reached this standard...but this is what we are working towards and it has changed the way footy has been played as most scoring opportunities these days start from the half back line. Tenace is there to start the run off half back but to also do it in a way where the opposition are struggling to counter the speed with which it is coming back from what should have been a 50/50 situation from a stoppage. Its very tiring for the opposition and footy is all about attrition these days. We are not just outscoring sides in the last 5 minutes of matches because we are so much fitter...its because we are wearing sides out with the way we play...this is a huge key to our play.

*I suspect Tenace is having trouble disposing of the footy because he has so much going through his head in a very short period of time..one because he moves so quickly...and secondly the role is new to him. It has a more defensive aspect than just playing on a wing for instance.

Thats a reasonable start. Your thoughts? And please dont say you thought of this all before...you havent mentioned a word of it. If you say its irrelevant..please write that and I will frame your post on my wall as memories of being on the BF site and what it truly means to be here...

 

[Slick Dog Johnson]

Get him away from the opposition goal and I'll be ok with him in the team. If he is going to spend a lot of time in the D50, we are in touble.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

The amount of cr@p you've just written, you could have answered the question quite easily.. You are making it quite obvious that you cannot justify your opinion. If I had your view I'd find it pretty hard too, Tenace is a dud.

Read above post 72...now talk the talk...football wise. You counter it ok?

Tenace is a dud..highly informative..how about you include what modern footy is all about..why Geelong is trying to create run off the half back line because that has won the last two flags...etc etc...

Or perhaps you havent the first clue about the game or what wins flags today?

I think you are a dud poster, mate.

 

[CatFan79]

Mate you are becoming an idiot. One minute its just a myriad of players around a pack...now if I suggest hey they stand in different positions and it varies regarding where the ball up is on the ground you're like...I knew that..I knew that..Just for the record I am not buying that ok. Not condescending...thats just whats been written...let other people read back and decide.

Point form...as I said dont have time.

* We are very strong with our inside mids at the moment..picking an inside mid like Prismall to play an outside role like Tenace is why we have improved this year...we dont do it anymore.

*Brereton touched on it in his article...pick players in positions that are attributed to their playing strengths and dont just pick a side that looks good on paper. ie ...Recall the last time we played the pies..Thompson suggested it was the best side picked all year yet we got creamed..why?..because it wasnt picked for the opposition or the ground we played at so we got rolled over.

*Prismall is a great young player...but Tenace pure and simple will get to far more loose football because he is quicker...and thats what we need him for. Think of sides busting a gut to break out of a stoppage...the ball spills free 20-30 metres up the ground and Tenace runs on to it... counter acting any hope of a 50/50 and the ball is heading up the other end of the ground before the opposition has time to turn around.

*Often you will see the centre clearance land near the centre half forward post..often its cleared players heads or its changed direction and players are heading towards it...Tenace on a 10 metre burst in a straight line is as fast a player as anyone in the league and if he is near it he will get it...this is what we need him for.

*The only stats that matter to me are ones that relate to scoring or stopping the opposition scoring...Tenace can relieve what would have been a 50/50 or forward thrust for them and turns it into attack quickly for us. Its a great advantage when we are already doing so well at stoppages and running through the middle of the ground this year. It creates an unnerving amount of pressure on the opposition defensively to have this extra and different aspect to our play. Sides are trying to cover Wojo also...Tenace makes thats harder. These two guys only need the ball 10-15 times a game to cause real trouble for the opposition. Even if the disposal is not so great the ball rebounds very quickly going the other way and thats dangerous.

*As mentioned...sides like the Crows and Sydney and West Coast have utilised this with super fast running half backs in the past. Tenace has not reached this standard...but this is what we are working towards and it has changed the way footy has been played as most scoring opportunities these days start from the half back line. Tenace is there to start the run off half back but to also do it in a way where the opposition are struggling to counter the speed with which it is coming back from what should have been a 50/50 situation from a stoppage. Its very tiring for the opposition and footy is all about attrition these days. We are not just outscoring sides in the last 5 minutes of matches because we are so much fitter...its because we are wearing sides out with the way we play...this is a huge key to our play.

*I suspect Tenace is having trouble disposing of the footy because he has so much going through his head in a very short period of time..one because he moves so quickly...and secondly the role is new to him. It has a more defensive aspect than just playing on a wing for instance.

Thats a reasonable start. Your thoughts? And please dont say you thought of this all before...you havent mentioned a word of it. If you say its irrelevant..please write that and I will frame your post on my wall as memories of being on the BF site and what it truly means to be here...

What i get out of this...

His ONLY strength "currently" is being able to run into space quickly.

He deserves a spot because other players win the ball and give him the chance to get a cheap receive.

Brereton is a twit. Already knew that... Collingwood are the most competitive team in the competition who make you earn your kicks, no easy touches sorry Kane.

Tenace could be a useful running half back, unfortunately he lacks awareness and kicking ability.

Tenace is excused from the poor disposal because his brain needs to work too quick.. This is my favourite by the way!