Pretty much. Plus he has been in the worst few every week. Most players have bad games, he just does it every week.
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Karmichael Hunt
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His job is to nullify his opponent, not rack up possesions. He is better one on one than Bret Thornton for example.
It's one of easier gigs to learn on the field. "Don't let that guy get the ball, follow him everywhere". It requires little skill and is totally reactive.
Hopefully the plan is for him to learn what the forwards do, where they lead, what they do to him etc and then put him forward. I don't think he is fast or fit enough to play on the ball.
Having him in such a negative role is a good gradient for him to learn the game but it is also negative in regards to public perception. He does seem shit because he never gets a touch.
It's one of easier gigs to learn on the field. "Don't let that guy get the ball, follow him everywhere". It requires little skill and is totally reactive.
Hopefully the plan is for him to learn what the forwards do, where they lead, what they do to him etc and then put him forward. I don't think he is fast or fit enough to play on the ball.
Having him in such a negative role is a good gradient for him to learn the game but it is also negative in regards to public perception. He does seem shit because he never gets a touch.
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This ^^
The first game he played in the VFL last year at Coburg they played him up forward, sure he was lucky enough to get on the end of one and also got a free that wasn't there that resulted in 2 goals, but he looked lost up forward. He's probably best suited to the role of a defensive forward because of the pressure he can apply in the forward 50, but he needs to learn where to be to make the most of the position he'll be playing, and the best way to learn this is by playing down back and taking note of where his opponents take him. Also if he does eventually go forward, the time spent down back will make him a far more versatile player, he could prove handy if the suns find themselves a defender or 2 down.
The suns are a developing side, this year is going to be a hard slog for them, judging Hunt (or any of their other inexperienced players) on the basis of their first 7 games is way too harsh, we'll have a clearer picture later in the year, not everyone up there is going to immediately set the world on fire like Matera and Smith have.
It doesn't matter much to Gold Coast this year, but the era of defenders who do little other than negate is at an end. For his career to amount to anything, as a defender at least, it's imperative that he learns to read the play and provide some offensive drive.
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Hunt is progressing nicely - has played on a variety of opponents - according to Champion data had only conceded 8 goals to his direct opponent.
Think his biggest problem is a lack of aerobic fitness - This doesn't allow him to create attacking options from defence.
Will probably play a few games in the seconds at some stage to work on his attacking skills.
Think his biggest problem is a lack of aerobic fitness - This doesn't allow him to create attacking options from defence.
Will probably play a few games in the seconds at some stage to work on his attacking skills.
We're not talking impossibility - just saying that the likelihood of a player picking up the game from scratch as a 24yo is extremely remote.
You're saying that Pyke was terrible and is now ok and given that Hunt is currently terrible, he should therefore also be ok? Not great logic.
Thornton tore Hunt to pieces in round 2. Took 11 marks and kicked 4 goals and had one goal assist. Thornton's career goal tally from his previous 162 games spanning 9 seasons was 8 goals. In other words, Bret Thornton increased his career goal tally by 50% in one game playing on Karmichael Hunt!
I'm not criticising Hunt for not setting the world on fire - just pointing out that his performances to date have been sub-standard for AFL level and so significantly sub-standard that I can't see him bridging the gap ever.
So if you're both right Hunt has only had 4 goals kicked on him since round 2. Not bad for a first year player playing on the number 1 forward alot of the time.
However, I didn't get to watch most of round 2 game but I remember alot of people querying why Hunt was playing on Carlton's ruckman for most of the night.
No, what I'm saying is that there is a precedent for such a pattern of development. Both Pyke and Hunt were new to the game, at roughly the same age. If Pyke can do it, there is little reason to believe Hunt can't, given Hunt is as good as if not better than Pyke at the same stage.
Does that mean Hunt definitely will? Of course not. But he can, so writing him off now is quite frankly ridiculous.
Basically, nobody really knows what will become of Hunt. The only precedent has been set by Pyke, who is still developing himself, and so only the first couple of years can be seen. One case is also not a lot to go on.
All we know is that it's possible for a rugby code convert to make the transition to AFL and be at least genuine contributor at senior level after a couple of years, and there is nothing about Hunt that suggests he can't. Make of that what you will.
I think playing him down back is a learning curve for him, I think he's be great in the middle. Put him in a position where he has to get the ball and get it out or to a team mate, I think his hardness one on one would cause a few problems for the oppostion.
It's the same with Izzy, he should be playing forward not as a backman. Let him lead and take a mark, rather than have him try and stick with a man. They need to be in positive roles, not negative ones.
It's the same with Izzy, he should be playing forward not as a backman. Let him lead and take a mark, rather than have him try and stick with a man. They need to be in positive roles, not negative ones.
It would cause zero problems for the opposition. None. You think Ablett, Judd, Pendlebury and every other midfielder has never contended with strong players before??? They're all strong, the only difference is everyone else are actually footballers and have a vague clue about what they're doing.
Tell you what, let's say you're playing Collingwood next week. Would you like to see Hunt in the centre square against Swan and company?
Firstly open their eyes and not believe the AFL propaganda, and secondly to actually watch the games. Guarantee whoever he lines up on against us in a few weeks will kick more goals than anyone else that week.
I love the new line - "he's great at killing contests". Translated as "he occasionally can actually spoil". Of course, it's not like any of his opponents (such as Dangerfield last week) have kicked any goals on him is it?
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If shutting down a player is as simple as you say why is there only a handful of midfield taggers and defenders who can do it then?
Hunt gets no leeway because he's had time to develop in the VFL. He's a below average footballer serving his purpose as a reasonably priced Marketing tool for the AFL.
More than seven weeks!
More disappointing than his form is the amount of people wanting him to fail.
It's nothing personal, but the money being paid is obscene. I would honestly have difficulty looking my teammates in the eye. Fortunately for Hunt they're mostly cash-chasers themselves, or kids. I wonder what sort of sledging he cops from opponents?
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Can't believe people are still carrying on about him .
There are other players that could be criticised and they have no excuse .
He's paid a lot of money outside of his football contract .
Yet there are other players that could be criticised because they were a total waste of money and wrecked a club .
Does anyone have a link to goals conceded stats? 8 seems low from what I've seen.
It's honestly not a desire to see him fail - he seems like a good bloke, so good luck to him. It's the charade that annoys me - ie. the belief that Hunt's involvement is about playing potential, when in fact it's been driven by the marketing gurus (which is why the AFL are contributing big dollars). The AFL has kind of sold it's soul to promote the game in NSW and QLD.
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The marketing has paid off .
He plays OK , everything else is a bonus.
How ?
In fact the opposite - it has shown that people can play other sports - very liberating in fact .
From what I've seen (3 suns games), he hasn't played consistently bad enough to be dropped from the team. At least not before a few others....... 
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By paying for a clearly sub-standard (novelty) player to participate at the elite level.
So the fact he's only had 8 goals directly kicked on him, and leads our club for spoils is a novelty? I don't expect him to set the world on fire, definitely not in a rebounding sense as he has a bad tank, but I think his negating work is coming along well. I think he needs to also work on not going to ground so easily, often he spoils and punches the ball away from the contest but then fails to stay on his feet/provide a 2nd effort.
Can you point me to where this stat is available - I've looked but can't find an online source for goals conceded.
Your comment illustrates the rose-coloured glasses that a lot of people have on when it comes to Karmichael Hunt. What about his kicking? And marking? For a rugby player, he doesn't tackle much either (averages 1.4 tackles per game).
Regardless of whether he goes on to be a superstar AFL player, he and Folau have got rugby league followers interested in and paying attention to AFL. How do I know? I am one. I play rugby league, and since watching more AFL after seeing Folau and Hunt change codes, I am thinking of trying to learn to play the game myself next year. If I'm not the only one in NSW/Qld, then surely that can't be a bad thing for the sport.
I play rugby league, and since watching more AFL after seeing Folau and Hunt change codes, I am thinking of trying to learn to play the game myself next year. If I'm not the only one in NSW/Qld, then surely that can't be a bad thing for the sport.
I tried to confirm those stats as well but has been reprinted by a few different journos all citing Champion Data, so maybe they have stats available to them that we don't. I think it came from Sheahan originally and I'd back him to do his homework.
You make valid points, his stationary kicking is better then I expected but his running kicks aren't up to scratch. Tackling count is surprising low as well. It's probably time to send him back to the 2s, play him in the middle or something and assess if he can develop other sides of his game. But at this point he has been serviceable down back.
