Player Watch Kayle Kirby (Delisted 2018)

[sr36]

The boo club.
Daisy.
Beams
Formerly Wellingham


No boos.
Witts
Fasolo
Seedsman
Keefe

I don't boo any of them, but why Wellingham?

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Depending on the location of the fractures, which appeared to be mid-shin, and the degree of syndesmosis damage, it could well be easier to come back that injury of Broomhead’s than, say, an ACL tear or a tibia/fibula fracture closer to the ankle joint.

The speed with which he has recovered indicate to me that it was likely pretty clean around the shin.

I can vouch for what you say having done mine at the tibial plateau (right on the knee) and the fib right at the ankle at the same time. I have never been the same but Broomy seems to be tracking well.

 

[The Plowking]

I don't boo any of them, but why Wellingham?

I don't really boo them either.
Just on the inside.

 

[76woodenspooners]

How much does that cost? Isn't most if not all of the cost already in the running costs annually? It's not like we need to repay huge debts or are not already secure. We have a good balance sheet. I have never said we should spend what we don't have. All I have spoken about is what we should do with what currently constitute profits and that our aim should be less about generating profits and more about winning premierships.

There will come a time when our facilities are no longer leading edge and will need upgrading. Even something as seemingly innocuous as a lick of paint (Which the tired old Holden Centre has needed for years) can improve pride in the workplace.

Yeh, I've probably said my piece on that over the duration. The real issue now is that commercial activities carry commercial risks and by definitrion have to.

Agree 100%.

I think about some of the non-for-profits I’ve come across that have been able to set themselves up with low risk stable revenue streams that have gone onto ensuring their near-perpetual viability and management freedom.

For example: Imagine if in the 1950’s John Wren had bequeathed to CFC a perpetual trust holding freehold titles to CBD property, 50% being reinvested into freehold titles, 50% being distributed to CFC, and putting measures in place to prevent it getting CFC into trouble (could never be sold, could never be borrowed against, future revenues could never be borrowed against, etc, etc). Imagine how much that would be worth to Collingwood today? In 100 years? In 200 years? It certainly wouldn’t fund the club, but it’d be a nice little money earner and would go along way to ensuring CFC’s long term stability.

Emphasis on winning football matches and particularly premierships.

You’re working on the presumption that spending more money on FD would improve our chances of winning a premiership?

I’m skeptical of that.

Of course there’s good evidence that spending more money on players wins Premierships (WCE’s in 90’s, Brisbane in 00’s, Swans’s COLA) ...

... but non player FD? I guess you and I have different opinions about the consequences of money and we’re never going to agree.

Do we have anyone in Monkhurt's role?

A. Rocca apparently (I heard that years ago, dunno if it’s still valid). I know people don’t credit him as being a good ruckman - but his job is not to be a good ruckman, but to be a good ruck coach. There are plenty of tennis and golf coaches out there who we’ve never even heard of before who are coaching the big names. Why not A.Rocca being a ruck coach?

We certainly do in Wright's role. It was Hine and he got moved back to what he's best at. Whether they are the right people to poach I am not certain, I just used them as examples of things that we might be able to spend money on to improve. Hawks list management seems pretty good. They seem to be able to take ordinary rucks and make them better. We've never done that. We took a ready made in Jolly. Grundy looks a real star. Mayebe that's our doing in part or maybe it's largely self driven. I suspect the latter. He was a highly rated prospect that has shown continual improvement. He might go down as a Len Thompson equivilent. Maybe we don't need Monkhurst but I wouldn't mind him taking Grundy and Cox under his wing and teaching them a few tricks.

Wiser folks than you or I conducted a review last year and concluded what we did and didn’t need, and they seem to have done a pretty decent job of it?

What do you base that on? If we make a profit year on year then it isn't being spend retropectively at all, it is being accumulated.

It all gets spent eventually. We didn’t spend the proceeds of the 2010 Premiership on FD (back in the days before the soft cap), we saved money for a few years, got some government matches money, and built the new Glasshouse.

As an aside we should be somewhat circumspect about what we call profits anyway. Maybe we should talk about cash surpluses.

Agree

 

[MarkT2]

76, I won't continue the discussion because we will repeat ourselves but appreciate the inteligent dioscuyssion.
Cheers

 

[Brad Goodman]

FWIW Grundy praised Rocca in his Copeland acceptance speech. He's his Melbourne dad basically.

 

[Earl Hickey]

Few reports saying Jake Neade could be a replacement for Kirby? What are our thoughts on this? Tbh I think our forward line is one area that doesn't need to be added to in terms of small forwards, as disappointing as it is for Kayle I don't really think we need to cover him, but if we can get Neade for free as a delisted free agent I wouldn't be against it.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

FWIW Grundy praised Rocca in his Copeland acceptance speech. He's his Melbourne dad basically.

Rocca seems very much loved around the place

 

[jackcass]

Another Hine superstroke.

Yeah, how dare he not know a potential draftee had an undiagnosed heart condition. Heads need to roll.

 

[jackcass]

A. Rocca apparently (I heard that years ago, dunno if it’s still valid). I know people don’t credit him as being a good ruckman - but his job is not to be a good ruckman, but to be a good ruck coach. There are plenty of tennis and golf coaches out there who we’ve never even heard of before who are coaching the big names. Why not A.Rocca being a ruck coach?

Pebbles always showed very good ruck craft and likely would have been a good or better ruckman, just didn't have a tank to play there.

 

[wicksy]

Whatever you do, don’t watch the second one.

Rubbish.... 2nd one was great as well.

 

[Anzacday]

Rocca seems very much loved around the place

One of Bucks' besties too I believe.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

One of Bucks' besties too I believe.

That won’t hurt

 

[mike123]

Nothing much really after Grundy.
I know Ben Kennedy was touted amongst the draft watches but his size and lack of attitude has killed his afl career.
Broomhead injury has hurt. Might still be useful but as depth.

Ben Jacobs came from Port to North and Tim Membrey was a delisted free agent I think from Sydney.

Not much there in my view.

The Gold sack we got was Brodie!

I don’t even think Kennedy’s size was a problem, just his attitude.

 

[mike123]

I don't boo any of them, but why Wellingham?

I don’t know why but I remember him being booed.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I don’t even think Kennedy’s size was a problem, just his attitude.

Agree.
Not committed enough.

If a player is small they do need to bring a bit more to the table eg high possessions, high skill, scoreboard pressure, high tackling that sticks etc.
Need to have that bit extra.

 

[CFC2010]

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Pebbles always showed very good ruck craft and likely would have been a good or better ruckman, just didn't have a tank to play there.

This. For a long time he was the best ruckman in the team , even if they were only cameo appearances. But he was too valuable as a CHF and not aerobic to play an around-the-ground role.

 

[Vicky Park]

Loved watching Kayle kick goals in our VFL team in 2017. He lit up Vic Park, and was a (VFL) crowd favourite.

Stay healthy, and thanks.

 

[Soups]

All the best KK. Hope you can continue playing footy at some sort of level.

 

[barrackers]

Unfortunate for Kirby, but health is more important. While his debut cost him the chance of a shoot-out for the Frosty Medal at least Kirby can say he played for seniors for Collingwood.

 

[left at home]

All the best Kayle, sadly it was not to be, so much hope, but in the end your health is so much more important than a game of footy.

 

[MarkT2]

Shame for him that he will probably always have the what if doubts over himself. I can only hope he finds a career that fulfills him.

 

[Finnishpie]

Bummer. Watches him play last year in the vFL and he was clearly full of power and talent. Would have been a player I reckon.

 

[Maggie5]

Wish him well and hope his health improves.