KDFL - 2012

[toxic]

First training out at Murchison last night with another to go before the new year. Had 45 or so on the track which was very pleasing to see. Lots of new faces around

How was the new coach? I hear u r still chasing a first string ruckman....

 

[roader_4]

First training out at Murchison last night with another to go before the new year. Had 45 or so on the track which was very pleasing to see. Lots of new faces around

And what of the rumours that the seconds coach is organising a coup to take over the senior position???

 

[Speedy22]

Not a bad turnout at Stanhope's first training run last night, bout 25-30 on the track. Few new faces and plenty of young blokes looking to press for senior selection in 2012

How many at Gig, have been told around that mark as well with some new younger guys,

 

[akka dakka]

And what of the rumours that the seconds coach is organising a coup to take over the senior position???

Any thoughts on that Toxic?

 

[No Clue]

How was the new coach? I hear u r still chasing a first string ruckman....

You could be just the man Toxic!

 

[toxic]

You could be just the man Toxic!

Sorry but only 6 ft 2 - too short for a ruck role. Will be an avid supporter of murch this year

 

[toxic]

Any thoughts on that Toxic?

Sorry but no thoughts on that.

 

[Joe Mama]

if the PDFL have 2 leagues then they should put in 2 teams, not pick and chose one team from both....

According to the Weekly Times, I think they are going to have two rep. teams from the whole league (one for the North West, and one from the South East), but they didn't say who those two sides would be playing (You would reckon that the KDFL would face the Picola South East, as it is the closest league to us).

I think that's the fairest way top do it because it gives more guys who want to do it a chance to play rep. football, and it evens up the Under 17's rep. game against the KDFL as the Picola League will only have the 8 South East teams to choose from instead of the 16 (that's if they want to do it this way for the Juniors and the Netball)

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

According to the Weekly Times, I think they are going to have two rep. teams from the whole league (one for the North West, and one from the South East), but they didn't say who those two sides would be playing (You would reckon that the KDFL would face the Picola South East, as it is the closest league to us).

I think that's the fairest way top do it because it gives more guys who want to do it a chance to play rep. football, and it evens up the Under 17's rep. game against the KDFL as the Picola League will only have the 8 South East teams to choose from instead of the 16 (that's if they want to do it this way for the Juniors and the Netball)

Joe there has been no discussion of the PDFL changing away from the traditional Bushies curtain raiser game at Deakin for the under 17's and any alteration to that would be strongly opposed !
I will say this again, the PDFL has made a commitment to the VCFL of 1 side , at the last meeting I believe it was raised that due to an uneven amount of teams interested in playing in the Vic Championships, there may be the option for the league to enter 2 sides .
No vote taken and no further commitment given to the VCFL , it is likely that the PDFL will offer to play two sides should that option be available . However that is yet to be confirmed and the make up of those two sides is also yet to be decided .
There is plenty of support for a under 23 side and a over 23 side , which I personally think is the best option !

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

According to the Weekly Times, I think they are going to have two rep. teams from the whole league (one for the North West, and one from the South East), but they didn't say who those two sides would be playing (You would reckon that the KDFL would face the Picola South East, as it is the closest league to us).

I think that's the fairest way top do it because it gives more guys who want to do it a chance to play rep. football, and it evens up the Under 17's rep. game against the KDFL as the Picola League will only have the 8 South East teams to choose from instead of the 16 (that's if they want to do it this way for the Juniors and the Netball)

Firstly, the draw was posted on this very thread a couple of pages back. Did you miss it? Yes it had PDFL sth v KDFL, O & K v PDFL Nth.

2nd, no change to make up of our Under 17's team will be proposed by PDFL. Why would we not give our talented NW kids a chance to play in a rep game in front of bushies? That game should be about giving talented kids from both our leagues a shot at making it further. Agreed?

3rd, the decision on one or two teams goes to league vote at next meeting early in New Year. Considering lateness would be fair to assume league has been asked if it can supply an extra team to even the draw. For publication would be easy to state nth and sth to differentiate between the two. As RP suggested a youth Under 23 side will be proposed at that meeting. My gut feel is that will be looked on very favourably as we as a league try to do best by our youth wherever possible and this would provide a wonderful opportunity for their development. But will have to wait and see.

So as it appears this interleague comp is "revolving around the PDFL" to some extent, let's hope the KDFL doesnt' get left out in the cold with us deciding on only one team. Cheers guys!

 

[hank1]

So as it appears this interleague comp is "revolving around the PDFL" to some extent, let's hope the KDFL doesnt' get left out in the cold with us deciding on only one team. Cheers guys!

Don't get too big a head you PDFL guys with the power you assume to have,(If as you say the KDFL are the ones left out in the cold, I'm not sure there would be too much sleep lost, the hunger may just grow from within, and once they are admitted it may just be what is needed to drive them to succeed!) I honestly don't see the problem with having the two sides being the two leagues that you have split yourselves into. In the scheme of the VCFL system can't see how an under 23 and over 23 side would work with the ranking system that they have. I can see where you are coming from with promotion of the youngsters in your two comps but surely you can do that within the framework of each comp as every other league does?
As for the U/17 game leave it as is with the Bushies curtain raiser, but if the VCFL want an underage game before the interleague game then do that on top of it, the more chance the underage players get to showcase their talents the better.

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

Don't get too big a head you PDFL guys with the power you assume to have,(If as you say the KDFL are the ones left out in the cold, I'm not sure there would be too much sleep lost, the hunger may just grow from within, and once they are admitted it may just be what is needed to drive them to succeed!) I honestly don't see the problem with having the two sides being the two leagues that you have split yourselves into. In the scheme of the VCFL system can't see how an under 23 and over 23 side would work with the ranking system that they have. I can see where you are coming from with promotion of the youngsters in your two comps but surely you can do that within the framework of each comp as every other league does?
As for the U/17 game leave it as is with the Bushies curtain raiser, but if the VCFL want an underage game before the interleague game then do that on top of it, the more chance the underage players get to showcase their talents the better.

Hahaha, Hank1 I do believe it was you who posted PDFL should get left out in the cold if we couldnt field two sides I was merely being facitious.

I do agree more chance to showcase underage players the better.

As for under 23 side, they could get ranked lowest (then you guys may feel better ). If you keep doing what is always done you never find out if something else may work better. Doesnt hurt to try and gives development opportunities to a larger number of kids. If you just put them in with the usual framework not as many will get selected I would assume? If they get flogged so be it but I bet they learn alot. They would probably be out to beat the "old guys" I reckon so a bit of hunger to prove themselves. Anyway we will see what happens I guess.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Don't get too big a head you PDFL guys with the power you assume to have,(If as you say the KDFL are the ones left out in the cold, I'm not sure there would be too much sleep lost, the hunger may just grow from within, and once they are admitted it may just be what is needed to drive them to succeed!) I honestly don't see the problem with having the two sides being the two leagues that you have split yourselves into. In the scheme of the VCFL system can't see how an under 23 and over 23 side would work with the ranking system that they have. I can see where you are coming from with promotion of the youngsters in your two comps but surely you can do that within the framework of each comp as every other league does?
As for the U/17 game leave it as is with the Bushies curtain raiser, but if the VCFL want an underage game before the interleague game then do that on top of it, the more chance the underage players get to showcase their talents the better.

A under 23 side would be ranked according to their performance and simply be another side , whether it be called PDFL 1 or PDFL 2 ??
As your league acknowledged last year and subsequently withdrew from the Moama Carnival , May is quite a busy month for underage Footy . Last season IIRC, there was the Deakin match , Moama carnival , Vic Country under 16 Carnival , and 2 years ago also the Schoolboys carnival in May, add to that players involved in NSW state squads and also Bushrangers TAC cup and the drew on players is quite large . This sort of commitment seen 14 year olds play at the Deakin game last year and 10 from that squad unavailable the following week at the Moama carnival .
I significant reason for having a under 23 side would be to provide greater exposure opportunity for players straight out of the under 17 competition , whilst also giving those younger players some confidence to try out to play interleague something they may otherwise be unlikely to do .
8 sides feeding a interleague side ?? I'm not sure it could be sustained ?

 

[Joe Mama]

Firstly, the draw was posted on this very thread a couple of pages back. Did you miss it? Yes it had PDFL sth v KDFL, O & K v PDFL Nth.

I must have missed it, because I was only going on what the Weekly Times reported, but what you've said here makes more sense, and I hope they go with that instead of the Under 23's idea, even though there is a lot of merit in that concept.

2nd, no change to make up of our Under 17's team will be proposed by PDFL. Why would we not give our talented NW kids a chance to play in a rep game in front of bushies? That game should be about giving talented kids from both our leagues a shot at making it further. Agreed?

The Curtain Raiser to the Bushies has been a good addition to the KDFL, even though the KDFL's is at a disadvantage compared to the PDFL as far as players go, but that being said, it's good that it's continuing because it does a lot of good for the kids, the two leagues and the Bushies

3rd, the decision on one or two teams goes to league vote at next meeting early in New Year. Considering lateness would be fair to assume league has been asked if it can supply an extra team to even the draw. For publication would be easy to state nth and sth to differentiate between the two. As RP suggested a youth Under 23 side will be proposed at that meeting. My gut feel is that will be looked on very favourably as we as a league try to do best by our youth wherever possible and this would provide a wonderful opportunity for their development. But will have to wait and see.

So as it appears this interleague comp is "revolving around the PDFL" to some extent, let's hope the KDFL doesnt' get left out in the cold with us deciding on only one team. Cheers guys!

It'll sort itself out sooner or later, but the main thing is that our local leagues are starting to take Interleague seriously, and being part of the VCFL Championship will be good for the league

 

[Joe Mama]

I know that this is one of my hobby horses, and I know that I have flogged this to death (but that being said I don't understand why the league continues with not having a white away shorts rule when so many colours clash in our league, it's just madness).

But, here is what we should be going with in the future for the benefit of players and spectators alike, because anything that will make our teams stand out is a good thing.

As you can see, I have made some changes to the teams here, I've put Avenel in hooped socks and Black Shorts as a throwback to what they wore in the 70's, I've put Merrigum in Hooped socks to match the hoop in thier jumper, I've changed Stanhope's shorts from Maroon to Gold, and I've changed Tallygaroopna's socks from Red to Navy with a Red Top, to try to break the colours up a bit more.

And this is how the teams will look if they had white shorts, notice how much of a contrast it creates between the jumpers and the socks.

Anyway, I'll like to hear some feedback here, because in nearly every other league I can think of (the Amateurs and the Northern League), clubs would not be getting away with having such a closeness of jumper colours because of the obvious problems it can cause (Stanhope & Undera & Longwood & Violet Town being the most obvious here)

 

[jaxbac#13]

This was in the Warnambool paper on Friday 2nd December
Clubs and communities pay a high price for sporting success
JOHN PATTISON
02 Dec, 2011 04:00 AM
Why is football bad for a community when it was once seen as being central to a community’s well-being?
Let’s think about the basic objective of a football club: it is to provide a social outlet for people who enjoy the game, people who wish to participate and probably, in most cases, to be successful.
Trouble is, success is now measured, particularly by those who play it, on where you finish on the ladder and for many clubs the cyclical nature of on-field failures drowns them eventually.
So how does a football club run?
Effectively, a lot of people spend hours and hours as volunteers to raise sufficient funds to ensure they can buy a team of players each year (no matter how poor the standard of the league).
This approach means a coach who is employed for a significant amount as well is pressured to create performances, so they look at ways to do so.
The game itself demands fitness and as a result the coaches crawl further and further into summer existence with pre-season training. Examples of minor leagues training in November and December are widespread.
Thus football becomes a 10 months of the year sport at every level.
Because of the transient nature of senior footballers and the culture of having to pay players that have become established, these players contribute very little long-term to any of the communities they become attached to via the club and, apart from attending football club functions and other club-based commitments, they very rarely become involved at a real community level with other sports, clubs, schools etc. In other words, they are takers.
Due to the demands on volunteers simply to keep on affording to buy these players, the turnover is extreme and magnified even more by the fact those people (the good community people) are often then lost from other areas of the community as well due to burn-out etc.
Now think about football and the culture of many clubs where it is actually about football and not the magnificent and hard-working netballers who, for no pay, essentially keep football afloat in many areas. We are putting 10 months of the year into community resources and people power into a team of senior footballers.
No one can begrudge the footballers as this is the system it has created.
But look at the enormous number of cricket and tennis players who no longer play the game between 18 and 35 years of age and ask why?
Simple maths would say no wife or girlfriend who has had their partner away from home for 10 months playing football will want them to then say “right, it is cricket season now and away we go”.
To the players not impacted like this, why would you want to involve yourself in a summer club that also has some commitments when you are totally burnt-out with the last 10 months, compounded by how many years you have played?
The sting in the tail is that eventually football will shoot itself in the foot with this approach, as many community volunteers are just that — they volunteer for football, cricket, school, fire brigades etc.
If we continue to jeopardise those other sports and commitments by placing an even bigger demand on the volunteers who run football, we eventually won’t have any left.
So the golden game that is propped up by Auskick figures and magnificent gate and TV ratings will fail to exist in communities that have so passionately allowed it to thrive all this time.
Then we have destroyed community sport for good, as smaller centres race to the larger centres for any fix of sport still available.
And later, as those young men arrive at 35-plus and have children wanting to play cricket and footy locally, it won’t exist because football has killed the golden goose.
Yet we have an opportunity to change this.
Football leagues (apart from the national and state leagues) that are often run by very well-meaning volunteers could restrict clubs from pre-season training until the end of January (people can keep fit themselves). The thousands of people who chat each week about how hard it is to find volunteers, how little the AFL really contributes to small clubs and nervously consider the divide they are creating in the general community by further alienating those who enjoy summer sport and contribute to the whole community wellbeing, could make a stand and say we are no longer going to pay players and they would be more likely to stay loyal to their respective clubs.
Cricket and tennis could then also put a hand out and pull down the wall by beginning in November to give players, partners and families a break from the grind of continuous weekend sport.
Although it is great to be involved, a break is always appreciated.
The alternative is an end to community sport and the growth of middle-management dreaming up ways to save both games that are not sustainable.
- John Pattison is a Warrnambool cricket and Auskick coach, teacher and parent. INTERESTING, What do you think?

 

[John Carrot]

As Robert De Niro famously said JT .. "Are you talking to me ??"

 

[ark n go]

Another one that knows the problem, like everyone else, but doesn't put in a solution

 

[Blackout]

I don't know about Avenel in black shorts, the red shorts look better and there is no clash with any of the other clubs (although they would be in the minority).

I like the idea of Stanhope with more gold in their uniform, it helps discern them from the other 2 lions.

 

[jayco13]

marcus dean, ex mooroopna ruckman, to stanhope... your thoughts hank

 

[hank1]

marcus dean, ex mooroopna ruckman, to stanhope... your thoughts hank

hope so, been onto him since early this year, but from what I was told about a fortnight ago, he wasn't going around again. Believe Ferrari might be going around again though so that will hold the ruck stocks up.

 

[giveitawash]

hope so, been onto him since early this year, but from what I was told about a fortnight ago, he wasn't going around again. Believe Ferrari might be going around again though so that will hold the ruck stocks up.

Big fuzz body has to try and hold up for a season as it would be a few years now since his played the whole year!! Can play when up and going tho!! Also heard that the boys out at tally are celabrating xmas a bit more with a few big signings committing to the club!! ( Andrew Taylor, Drew Shadbolt,Paul Mason,Brodie Jaques) All have some connection with the coach i think and with most players staying and toohey back in the team the they could snag a finals spot in 2012!!

 

[surprisepackage]

Big fuzz body has to try and hold up for a season as it would be a few years now since his played the whole year!! Can play when up and going tho!! Also heard that the boys out at tally are celabrating xmas a bit more with a few big signings committing to the club!! ( Andrew Taylor, Drew Shadbolt,Paul Mason,Brodie Jaques) All have some connection with the coach i think and with most players staying and toohey back in the team the they could snag a finals spot in 2012!!

Very good signings for tally, taylor,Shadbolt and Mason played under dickinson at strathmerton. Shadbolt and Mason i believe played in there premiership.

Hows ardmona shaping up? is Big joe back on board now that wunghnu didnt get the go ahead

 

[Joe Mama]

I don't know about Avenel in black shorts, the red shorts look better and there is no clash with any of the other clubs (although they would be in the minority).

I like the idea of Stanhope with more gold in their uniform, it helps discern them from the other 2 lions.

You're right, Avenel do look a lot better in red shorts, but as for the rest of my ideas, I think they have merit, and they don't lead to having to buy more sets of jumpers for clubs because they cost a lot of money and the delivery dates on new jumpers are horrendous.

As far as my club goes, I've always liked our 70's jumper with the stripes (ala Hawthorn in the 70's), this would make us really stand out and would help in differenciating ourselves against the likes of Lancaster & Rushworth in dull conditions (or even maing our green lighter to match the shade the club wore before Tally changed thier uniforms).

 

[Hillite]

Another one that knows the problem, like everyone else, but doesn't put in a solution

Part of the solution is a strict points system. in your area it would have to include every senior league.
Notice I said part of the solution