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Discussion in 'Crime' started by shellyg, Sep 25, 2018.

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Did Keli Lane get a fair trial?

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  1. shellyg

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    Keli Lane is currently serving an 18-year sentence at Silverwater Womens Correctional in NSW for the murder of her two-day-old baby girl Tegan. The infant’s body has never been found and the case against Lane was circumstantial.

    Her story is that she handed the baby to the biological father and grandmother before she left the hospital. They have never come forward and Tegan if she's alive, would now be 22 years old.

    Investigative journalists Caro Meldrum-Hanna and Elise Worthington delve into the case for the ABC’s new documentary series Exposed: The Case of Keli Lane, to test her claimed innocence, and to analyse the police investigation and the murder trial.

    Over the course of several months, Keli Lane rang them to discuss her life and her case. Lane consented to her calls being recorded and published.

    No topic was off limits.

    Some of the tapes are here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...rderer-breaks-her-silence-to-exposed/10263954

    I'd heard there have been investigators looking into this at least for the last three years and Keli has considerable support for her claim of innocence, despite Keli proving over many years prior to Tegan's disappearance to be a dreadful liar.

    Apparently, there's a lot more to her story.

    The first episode of Exposed starts tonight at 8.30pm.
     

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  2. shellyg

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    There is a reason imo, why the father might never have come forward. And that is because he passed the baby on himself in a criminal action or he has done something illegal in her registration.

    Possible maybe.
     
  3. Noobz0r

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    I'm interested, but literally only just heard of it. I will have to see if it is on iView.
     
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    Watched the first episode last night. How weird are the parents, especially the mother? Either she knows something, or has had her eyes shut this whole time.
     
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    Yeah that mother was exceptionally weird, defensive and vague.
    Something has to be going on there.
    Utter bullshit she didnt know Keli was pregnant whilst being the team manager of her water polo team... three times! She is flat out lying there.
     
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  6. Perth gal

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    Reckon everyone surrounding her was wierd. As if not ONE single person said something to her or tried to help. Such an interesting case.
     
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  7. Run n Spread

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    Remember this from the trial. Weird. What is unusual is getting done for murder when not only is there no body but actually no crime has been reported. The alert was raised (I believe) when hospital or someone else was doing admin and thought I wonder what happened to Baby Tegan. Then after investigations no trace was found so it was deduced she had been murdered.

    What really is odd is not only the lies Kelli Lane has told (many) but everyone elses inconsistencies. As in her partner didn't notice she was pregnant and gave birth twice. How the hell could you not know that??????? (Unless he was a casual who only saw her once or twice a year) but if he was her boyfriend as reported how in a traditional relationship do you not notice a pregnancy let alone 2?

    Now there are obvious questions (why not get another abortion/protection/sterilised etc) which have no doubt been asked but what is very troubling is Lane as a young women seemed to be living a deluded/wreckless/double triple etc life and no one noticed/enabled her/or covered up other stuff. Her lies are what got her convicted but there is that much murkiness the truth is forever shrouded.
     
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  8. Run n Spread

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    Forgot about that. And an Olympic aspirant (who has access to dietitians, doctors, is rigorous about weight) etc and no one parents, support staff, teammates,boyfriends noticed she was pregnant 3 times. Come on. I think what happens in a situation like this is everything is so wrapped in fog, lies, deceit etc that everyone just forgets what is blindingly obvious. The most likely explanation is correct. In that some serious shit is being covered up here.
     
  9. shellyg

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    Who was the 'boyfriend' who wheeled her into the hospital when she gave birth to Tegan?
     
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    I’m don’t believe her for one second about the father. I don’t think Andrew Morris exists. He would’ve been found. People exist on paper everywhere - birth records, police records, hospital records, tax records, drivers licenses...

    I don’t think she even knew exactly who the father was. Just one of many guys she had sex with.

    I think she killed the baby or dumped her, leaving her for dead.

    The baby’s body wasnt found so now she figures it’s been long enough that it never will be, and she can rewrite the bullshit story and throw enough doubt on her guilt as required.

    As for her parents, wilful ignorance. Everybody suspected she was pregnant and they would have as well. But why ask and reveal an embarrassing scandal? They were slaves to their community standing and reputation.
     
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  11. Run n Spread

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    Agree with most of this except no definitive proof Tegan was killed. Could be she was abandoned? (like one of those babies left at a hospital door or Welfare office. Abandoned yes but knowing they will be found). Then adopted out. Tegan herself probably doesn't know who she is.

    Although the thing is there was no bullshit story (at the time). There was no crime reported or missing persons report. It was only a review down the track, like an audit and then questions asked whatever happened to that baby born on so and so? Only then was there Police involvement.

    Also she gave birth to 2 others? Why kill the 3rd? Makes no sense.
     
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    What about the midwife? Doctors? Nurses? Admin? Sure I grant you it maybe possible to not worry about Drs appointments if you want to keep the pregnancy a secret but someone at the hospital must have some clue. What about records? Birth certificates? Unbelievable this wasn't picked up at the time. But the again why would it? She comes in gives birth goes home- What can the hospital do at the time? (thou surely there is some follow up with previous doctors, specialists? And if there were none or previous notes (especially after 2 other pregnancies surely that rings alarm bells?)
     
  13. Run n Spread

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    Exactly. Not sure what they could've done, if she denies.........

    BUT society seems intent on keeping up with these social myth morals and fairytales and when the shit hits the fan people can't face reality and still cling. Part of why she got convicted. Well a mother doesn't act like that so Guilty. And yet no one knows what's happened.
     
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    You might be right, this series should be interesting anyway.

    There could be a chance of finding Tegan, if she's still alive if Keli uploads her genetic profile into one of those open source genealogy websites and hope that Tegan at some point might do it as well.

    Or, if the baby's heel prick test was retained at the hospital use that to find the father?
     
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    Strange things happen sometimes. I have a cousin who came into the family as an infant in my uncle's arms, middle of the night and my aunt just apparently accepted the story the mother had problems, couldn't raise the child herself and simply handed the baby over in the pub. This uncle is quite a powerful man, very wealthy and the child had a good life, private school etc. Nobody, far as I know ever questioned the story of how this could happen. Of course he was one of us straight away but as time went on though, he started looking more and more like one of us. We still don't know ... :rolleyes:
     
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    To put it round the other way. Is it possible the hospital did an audit saw the Lane profile, stuffed the paperwork and Lane in a dissociative state made up the story. There seems no proof Tegan exists. Was a Birth certificate presented at trial? (Scrap that found the transcript. A baby Tegan was born on 12/09/96. Kelli Lane was assigned a Social Worker given she rocked up alone and said she had no family and her BFs family were in Perth. The Social Worker didn't believe it/made a note but after Lane was discharged no one followed the case for another 3 years when she was denied an abortion in Qld and adopted out another child legally (again given a bullshit story) and someone has checked her records and gone Shit i wonder what happened to Tegan better follow that up. Only then did the Police get involved.
     
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    Seems legit. Mother may have been closer to home then you realise. Don't want to be indelicate and ask your age but wasn't this common like a little sister?
     
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    I think now, that my uncle is probably his biological father it's the only way I can wrap my head around it but it's not something anybody would ask about. It would be like questioning his status and it could be awkward for my aunt. We're quite close but still I've never asked about what story he was told. He's got his own kids now.

    Not possible he was secretly born to someone else in the family and she was covered for. That sort of thing happening was way before his time and wouldn't have even been entertained among our lot.

    To strange things happening, there was another time going back a few years now when I got a knock on my door in Melbs, there was a guy standing there with a little part aboriginal girl under two yo. Her mother, who I'd only met three or four times in Sydney had gone to jail and she'd asked that the baby be brought to me. Really nervous about it but I took her because the alternatives weren't good. What was I supposed to do? I didnt even know how long her mum was going to be in prison for. All sorts of dilemmas but I wasn't going to say 'no' and let this bloke wander off with her. And I wasn't going to ring child services either to have her put into the system in another state.

    She was with me for a while, of course I handed her back. I didn't even know her second name at first.
     
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    All fair points. And I didn't mean to get personal. (Hell I've got my own issues). But nothing is ever as it seems. And people shouldn't judge (walk a mile and all that) and in this case no one knows WTF has happened. Was merely making the point nothing is ever as it seems and people are rarely if ever honest. (Includes the courts juries, law makers, everyone etc)
     
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    That's okay, I don't mind at all. I was just recalling or mulling over really just a couple of probably what would seem unusual events, where kids can end up places and nobody really probes as to exactly how it it all worked. I don't even remember anybody asking me, outside of close family but I didn't expand much, why I suddenly had another little girl.

    So, agree nobody really knows WTF happened to Tegan.
     
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    New witness
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-02/new-witness-found-in-keli-lane-case/10209024

    Again thou more questions than answers. If she was indeed sleeping with him at the time at the Unit Block she said why can't he be tracked down? Granted Andrew Norris or whatever is 99% likely not his real name but surely you just identify the unit and find who was living there. The fact the Police can't or won't or didn't at the time is odd. Just shows how little Police and Investigators really know.

    Weird thing is while the Prosecutor established concealed pregnancies no one has nailed down when and to who (Surely abortion/adoption records are kept)

    So far:

    1. Preganancy 92 (aborted
    2 Preganancy 94 (aborted)
    3 Pregnancy birth 95 (adopted)
    4 Tegan born 12 September 96 at Auburn (????)
    5 Pregnancy birth 99 (adopted)
    6 Pregancy (a daughter kept)

    So while the Duncan Gillies guy was the father for 5 and possibly 3 Lane (and supposedly backed by the witness claims Norris was the father of Tegan). Yet could just has easily been Gillies (BF at the time) particularly as they were at a wedding 2 days after Tegan's birth. (Again odd, obviously amazing recuperative powers and no one noticed a thing). Yet on further reading it appears Kelli and Tegan were in hospital together for 2 days were Lane was discharged at 11 and went to her parents at 3pm to grab a lift with her BF, Gillies (all who knew "nothing about a pregnancy") to grab a lift to a wedding.

    Again this is also where the case has issues. Granted I don't think you should be able to skate a murder charge because you can successfully hide a body but if she has an explanation of what she was doing in the 3 hours (between discharge and the wedding) and can be allibied with witnesses/CCTV, casts highly reasonable doubt on whether she had the time to pull off a murder and successfully hide a body for years in a suburban city. Reckon the verdict should've been Not Guilty or better go to trial after a more thorough investigation.

    As it stands given the time frame there appears only 2 explanations.
    1. Kelli Lane's story is correct
    2. The Prosecution is correct. She murdered Tegan and successfully hid the body

    Another witness https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lane-dumped-baby-in-bushland-taxi-driver-20110418-1dk9u.html

    If these witnesses are legit it would appear she is telling the truth. Also reading part of the transcripts it appears:
    a) The Prosecutor was crafty and throwing insuations in than back tracking when forced to withdraw but still planting the seed.
    b) Her defence team was all over the shop. Didn't do it. Still manslaughter is a choice. Still what about.....instead of sticking to one defence.

    Problem with pathological liars thou is they always throw smoke screens up, mis direct and change their story to suit so are impossible to extract details out of. (Something you must do if you are defending a murder charge).

    Still all that really matters is the 3-4 hours. If the Norris witness and the cabby are legit it appears she didn't do it.
     
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  22. Bunk Moreland

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    Doesn’t sound like a very credible witness. He saw her in the early hours of the morning a few times decades ago?

    “She didn’t see me but I saw her”?
     
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    Too bad she's such a scattered liar. I'm starting to wonder if she was using drugs, stimulants or amphetamines to keep her weight down or something else more under the radar. As an olympic contender it's not that far fetched to think some on the team could have access to enhancers or whatever and she might have come under attention.

    This sounds a bit bizarrre but the whole saga is weird so I might get away with it. What if she was having an affair with a cop who was either looking at the team/her for drugs and/or he was married? He probably wouldn't have even given her his right name.

    Too out there?
     
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    It’s all possible, of course.

    But the most simple explanation works for me. She got pregnant to one of the many men she was banging. She hid it, others wilfully ignored it. She gave birth, dumped the baby and left it for dead, and then thought she’d pretend it all never happened.
     
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    Why dump the body of baby 2 and adopt out babies 1 and 3.
     
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