Ken Hinkley has a better win percentage than Ross Lyon
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People get much angrier about contending and missing out with some close calls to great sides, than being irrelevant and going through rebuilding phases. The only final that was a disgrace was the blunder against the Bulldogs in '21. Geelong had one like that the same year. They were the closest team to taking that Richmond side down during their flag-winning years. Likewise for the Hawthorn dynasty side in 2014. Accounted for good albeit not outstanding Geelong teams a couple of times. Have deserved at least a GF appearance in that time but it doesn't always pan out that way. You look at the list that has been completely rebuilt since he started and it looks good to me.
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As a blues supporter.... I assume you dislike essendon.
Random stat to say this.
Freos 1st ever final was a home elim final loss to essendon in 2003. Essendon won one more final after that: an elim final in 2004 vs demons.
ever since 2005, now dockers are not the beacon of consistent success, But 4 different dockers coaches have had at least 1 finals win since essendons last finals win in 2004.
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Completely agree. It's funny that this is the time that fans want Hinkley gone yet since 2020 he's had them finishing consistently better and contending except for last season. And they're currently playing really well and looking great.
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The extent of the vitriol directed at Hinkley by some supporters is over the top. I would certainly never barrack for the team to lose. And the turnaround in tactics, form and resilience since Tredrea applied the blowtorch after the Showdown loss has been pretty remarkable.
However, a balanced assessment across his 11 seasons suggests that he has a major conversion problem. We have played finals five times, made three preliminary finals but never a grand final.
Missing finals two years in a row after almost knocking Hawthorn off in 2014 was appalling given the quality of that list and largely attributable to a poor and badly executed game plan.
2020 and 2021 were surprisingly good but losing by 12 goals in a home prelim to the Bulldogs was unacceptable and suggestive of a team not in the right head space.
Different people will have different benchmarks for success. But you don’t have to believe that Port should be replicating it’s success in the SANFL to think that a coach that has failed to make a grand final after coaching the team to the third best winning percentage during his tenure, should be moved on.
Indeed, I’m not sure I can think of a single coach in the top echelon of a major sporting code here or overseas that has held his job for so long without achieving the ultimate j success.
Perhaps this year will be different and I will be barracking loudly for that to happen. But having been let down so many times before, you can forgive us for some pessimism.
However, a balanced assessment across his 11 seasons suggests that he has a major conversion problem. We have played finals five times, made three preliminary finals but never a grand final.
Missing finals two years in a row after almost knocking Hawthorn off in 2014 was appalling given the quality of that list and largely attributable to a poor and badly executed game plan.
2020 and 2021 were surprisingly good but losing by 12 goals in a home prelim to the Bulldogs was unacceptable and suggestive of a team not in the right head space.
Different people will have different benchmarks for success. But you don’t have to believe that Port should be replicating it’s success in the SANFL to think that a coach that has failed to make a grand final after coaching the team to the third best winning percentage during his tenure, should be moved on.
Indeed, I’m not sure I can think of a single coach in the top echelon of a major sporting code here or overseas that has held his job for so long without achieving the ultimate j success.
Perhaps this year will be different and I will be barracking loudly for that to happen. But having been let down so many times before, you can forgive us for some pessimism.
As a Cats fan I have seen us lose a lot of preliminary finals. The question is whether in those years finishing third or fourth was reflective of their performance - sometimes you can get lucky in a prelim and everything goes your way and you get past a team that should have been in the GF (for example Pies in 2018 over Tigers). But I look at the Port team - defence in particular - and I find it hard to see how you could argue they were premiership quality.
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Ken Hinkley as coach is to AFL coaches what John Howard as PM was to Australian PMs.
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An absolute scholar and a gentleman. Kenny is too good for Port.
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He's getting there but I don't think Hinkley is the GOAT yet.
Certainly he is one of the top 3 coaches of the last decade.
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Every team Port played in finals, including Fremantle has made a Grand Final appearance during Hinkley's coaching tenure except Port. That is quite bad from a club whose identity is "premierships", and Port were mostly flat track bullies, and didn't win a finals match in 6 seasons, appearing in only 1 final in 5 seasons.
This year, is probably the first time in almost a decade they've been able to beat a number of contenders, a slight change of pace, but it's not even close to finals.
Carlton were in a similar position to Port, this time last year, and missed finals, altogether.
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I think Fagan more so, because he's consistently made finals for 4 seasons in a row, 2 prelims. Hinkley has never made finals for more than 2 seasons in a row, which takes you out of contention. The contenders usually consistently make finals.
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Bevo to the Hawks
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Scholar?
Ross Lyon = 4 Grand Finals
Ken Hinkley = 0 Grand Finals.
no more needs to be said.
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Ken Hinkley having a better win percentage than Mark Williams is interesting too. Port were very dominant under Williams while under Hinkley they've mostly been middle of the road.
Williams also had to deal with a dynasty side, he got there on the 4th bite of the cherry as far as being genuine contenders.
Hinkley had to deal with two such sides, got within a goal of both in a prelim but then round 3 was the baffling mess up Vs Dogs.
Round 4 is this year...take down Collingwood and Hinkley better be wearing his best tie.
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Will the Port board mods close the 'Sack Hinkley' thread if Port win the flag?
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I haven't seen Hinkley wearing a suit since that time I saw him at the Brownlow with Koch a few years back.
To be honest I miss the days where coaches wore suits on game day. I haven't seen a premiership coach wearing a suit since Choco.
If he wins the flag it's the perfect time to sack him.
